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...fracking. This has to stop.


''Gasland" -- full movie:



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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:03 AM

1. Fracking is the first hint of prosperity we have seen in Appalachia in the

last 40 years and now that is bad. I sold gas rights and got a nice check and hopefully some royalty checks in the future. Didn't have any choice about selling the gas rights, if you don't sign they take it anyway. So far I haven't seen anything but good come out of it.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:35 AM

2. Are you open mided enough to watch the movie? n/t

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:39 AM

3. I watched the movie on PBS out of Pittsburgh a while back n/t

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Response to doc03 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:38 AM

4. Then you know that a cocktail of several dangerous chemicals are used...

...which end up in many drinking water supplies. How that be considered good?

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:51 AM

5. It is not good...

in the areas in which it does find its way into the water table...However, in most cases this does not happen. Regardless, I think we need much tougher regulations & oversight especially when it comes to the unknown chemicals they use.

I am fully supportive of natural gas because right now it is killing the coal industry & that is wonderful news to me!

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Response to SkyDaddy7 (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:53 AM

7. It isn't killing coal, there are more jobs in coal and production is up

since Obama took office. Domestic coal demand is down because of gas, but exports are up. The part I don't get about environmentalists is
they would like to see all our coal fired power plants shut down. The thing of it is instead of useing the coal here where we have regulations
it is still being burned in other countries with no regulations. So in reality there is more polution going into the air.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:18 PM

11. How does this relate to the statement that..

...you haven't seen "anything but good come out of it (fracking)"?

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:41 PM

12. I haven't personaly seen anything bad about fracking so far. There were a lot of alogations

in the movie but until I see some evidence myself, it's just a movie. We have had damage to the roads from the truck traffic but the gas companies
repaired the roads when they finished.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:37 AM

13. I'm amazed that anyone could watch this documentary and...

...not see evidence of the harmful effects of fracking -- unless a person didn't want to believe it; in which case discussion is useless.

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Response to Indi Guy (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:03 PM

14. You could make a documentary with convinceing evidence on just about

any subject. I never saw it but people that want to beleive anything bad about the president were totally convinced by the 2016 movie.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:00 PM

15. There's a difference between...

...convincing evidence (a highly subjective term) and virtually irrefutable evidence -- such as turning on the faucet and igniting the materials that flow out with a Bic. Wouldn't you agree?

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:12 AM

6. Marks thread

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

8. A must view

Before watching the movie, I had no idea about the extent of the "development."

For some reason, I thought it was limited to a few areas; but the reality is that a majority of the watersheds in the United States are threatened.

How are they threatened?

Perhaps it can be illustrated with one well. To develop one well requires hundreds of truckloads of stuff. These are BIG 18 wheelers.

About half the "stuff" is fracking fluid, which contains a slurry of chemicals that are extremely bad for the environment and peoples' / any living creatures health. The industry claims they are not harmful, yet refuse to disclose what those chemicals are. Independent labs have done tests to find out what some of them are, and they are detailed in the movie.

No one has done any studies of the effects of these chemicals on life. Yes, life itself.

These carcinogenic, deadly compounds are then pumped under extremely high pressure thousands of feet down into the shale that contains the natural gas. This process cracks the rock, releasing the gas.

Does anyone with 1/2 a brain cell think those chemicals will obediently stay where they were first pumped? Anyone who has played with anything under pressure ( a child with a balloon) will quickly discover that something under high pressure moves to a place of lower pressure.

Simply put, there is standard physics at work when these chemicals are moving into places of lower pressure, such as aquifers. No one has any control of where that is, and once an area is polluted, it is IMPOSSIBLE to clean it out.

Is it really worth it to DESTROY the water supply of a region just so you can extract some energy for very little money? Is ANY amount of money enough to balance against the life giving compound EVERY LIVING THING depends on now and for ALL FUTURE GENERATIONS?

I am probably not much different from the folks that were interviewed in the film in that their land represents just about everything they have. To me, it is just about the definition of hell that these people are living. Everything they have and have ever worked for is worth nothing. That's right. Nothing. When you look for a piece of land, the first thing ANYONE inquires about is the water. How much would you pay for land that has burning, carcinogenic water and exploding wells? Now you and your family's health is at risk and all you could do is move away and start over with nothing.

Often zoning requirements restrict what people do in an area so it doesn't adversely effect neighboring property values. We recently had a vote here in northern California about whether one could grow Marijuana outdoors. Advocates for restricting outdoor cultivation claimed the smell, etc would drive down neighboring property values. What's interesting is that for little things like what plants a neighbor grows or what shape a person's house is, there are plenty of laws restricting action. However, if you are doing something that could completely ruin the environment in the area, that's ok, as long as it's providing "clean" natural gas.

And the pollution doesn't stop underground. Some of that fracking compound (about half) bubbles up to the surface, where it's kept in "produced water" ponds. Getting rid of this waste is expensive, so as much as possible is removed by evaporating out the water. This transports many of the chemicals into the atmosphere. According to some testing done by a town in Texas, the pollution from natural gas chemical venting is equal to all the pollution from internal combustion engines. The difference? Automobiles, trucks, etc are regulated - even in Texas. Natural gas venting is not regulated at all. No one is looking at WHAT is being vented.

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Response to radicalbeer (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:03 PM

9. Welcome to DU, and thank you for your thoughts.

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Response to radicalbeer (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:25 PM

10. Thank you for your thoughtful comments...

...and welcome to DU.

I can't imagine how anyone who has seen the movie can speak positively about fracking -- unless he/she is speaking from a place of unenlightened self interest.

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Response to Indi Guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:28 PM

16. Must-see documentary. Turns out the EU parliament just voted

for fracking. I must go do some research.

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