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Bill Maher And Eliot Spitzer Take On Fox News:

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Reply Bill Maher And Eliot Spitzer Take On Fox News: (Original post)
applegrove Nov 2012 OP
DeSwiss Nov 2012 #1
bjobotts Nov 2012 #2
applegrove Nov 2012 #3
gateley Nov 2012 #4
Skittles Nov 2012 #5
gateley Nov 2012 #20
calimary Nov 2012 #7
gateley Nov 2012 #19
calimary Nov 2012 #21
gateley Nov 2012 #23
InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #6
reusrename Nov 2012 #16
BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #8
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2012 #12
donquijoterocket Nov 2012 #17
InsultComicDog Nov 2012 #22
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #11
Myrina Nov 2012 #14
wake.up.america Nov 2012 #9
sigmasix Nov 2012 #10
reusrename Nov 2012 #15
Ineeda Nov 2012 #13
HopeHoops Nov 2012 #18
pam4water Nov 2012 #24

Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:58 AM

1. K&R n/t

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:05 AM

2. Rove's fix was being blocked.

Anonymous hacked into the backdoor of Rove's computer tabulator fix set up by Mike Connell (murdered by Rove's people to prevent testifying) so the votes were not getting flipped to Romney in Ohio, Florida or other swing states etc when they were supposed to and Rove couldn't believe it wasn't happening...it was all set up...Rove was even naming the counties where he said the votes will soon tally for Romney (same counties in Ohio that flipped mysteriously for Bush in 2000)...It had all been guaranteed and paid for. That's why Rove melted down in disbelief.
That is also why Romney had no concession speech written...he had been guaranteed he would win. It wasn't the "polls got it all wrong" stuff. It was the fix was in and at the last moment the fix got blocked by being hacked by anonymous.
We should all be thanking Anonymous for preventing a Romney presidency. The information's out there if you look. Anonymous found out how Rove was going to do it by tracking McConnell's work. Just look at Rove and all the other GOPers making idiots out of themselves by claiming a huge Romney win and tell be the disappointment wasn't genuine surprise and shock. The last minute fix failed thanks to anonymous.

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:52 AM

3. I don't buy that for one minute. Anyone could write a letter

claiming to be anonymous. It is a way to divide us. See you and I are all of a sudden far apart because somebody wrote a letter claiming to have stopped Rove and you believe it, and I don't for many reasons. This benefits the right.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:02 AM

4. I saw a video of how it was done before -- through the server. I THINK it could be done.

I'll go track down the video if you're interested in seeing it.

Actually, Anonymous said they were going to be "watching" and alert authorities if needed. That's the piece I saw anyway - did they (or somebody) come out with something after the election claiming they'd hacked?

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Response to gateley (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:52 AM

5. I have to say, gately

SOMETHING sure was up - Rove made a complete ass of himself on national TV, and not in the normal GOP thuggery way

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Response to Skittles (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:30 PM

20. More than anything, it's his behavior in the face of all the facts that makes me really suspicious.

I hope he gets in BIG trouble from the Big Money guys!

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Response to calimary (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:29 PM

19. I hadn't seen the "follow up" -- just the pre-election warning.

So this is claiming something WAS done as opposed to just "watching" -- interesting.

Wonder if it's true.

The video I saw explaining how the election was stolen before, (this is my NON-computer/firewall/server literate take) by installing a server in between destination A and B, and tweaked the votes there before continuing on to destination B to be tallied.

It made sense to me (which doesn't mean anything, really) so I assume it could be attempted again, AND thwarted.

I have no dog in the fight as to whether this is or is not Anon, but I'd just kind of like to believe it is.

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Response to gateley (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:47 PM

21. Hey, I don't have any dog in this fight either (well, except a belief in representative democracy)

but I agree - it is believable. Stranger things have happened. And consider the principals involved. Two words, alone, do it for me: kkkarl rove. If he's anywhere within five miles of it, there's reason to be suspicious. Or at least raise your antennae up as high as possible and turn up the sensitivity WAY past eleven.

Also - remember that Ohio Secretary of State adding these little software "patches" to certain selected electronic voting devices?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9233274/Update_Lawsuit_filed_in_Ohio_over_software_updates_to_vote_tabulation_machines?taxonomyId=17

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ohio-official-Voting-machine-lawsuit-ridiculous-4009994.php

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/lawsuit-filed-nov5th-against-john-husted-r-secstate-of-ohio/question-3303541/

Full disclosure here - I have almost nothing to disclose, fully or partially. My knowledge of cyper-stuff could fit on one of those little capacitor (or resistor?) thingies with a wire coming out of each end. And I do not know anything about the ins and outs of computer programming and installation and apps and all that. Complete idiot/dunce/technophobe. But what I AM good at is observing and interpreting human behavior and sniffing out a rat. Two rats in this case. Ohio's scheming, agenda-driven, judge-defying Secretary of State jon husted AND kkkarl rove. Shades of kenneth blackwell. What is it about these Ohio Secretaries of State???? If they're republi-CON, it seems, they're severely-partisan crooks! Same thing for katherine harris in Florida 12 years ago.

There's something a bit fishy swimming around somewhere in here. Makes me wonder if there's anything to that Anonymous story about their hacking the wrongney campaign's ORCA program. Again, just look at the players - and rove's behavior on Pox Noise on Election Night. He damn near stopped the show when Pox called Ohio for Obama. He was SOOOOO sure. I suppose it could have been mainly because of "the math" inside their own little alternate-reality bubble. But whenever rove's involved, there tend to be Political Dark Arts involved in some way. His hands are NOT clean.

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Response to calimary (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:04 PM

23. Yeah, you hear something like this and roll your eyes and think No Way and put it off

to tin foil hattery. But when you hear the name Karl Rove, you just have to think, well waaaaait a minute. I would put NOTHING past that vile, evil manipulator.

And again, I hope he's ostracized from the Republican Big Boy Party. Nothing would make happier than for him to become a joke and persona non grata in DC. Payback, asshole.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:54 AM

6. I think a skeptical viewpoint is called for

but I'm not totally ruling it out. I just need to see some good evidence.

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Response to InsultComicDog (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:25 AM

16. In case you haven't heard, the primaries were flipped.

 

Google "algorithmic vote flipping" for the scientific background. This is real. It did happen, and it was first exposed back in February & March. The Huckabee campaign was taken out by electronic vote flipping, as were Ron Paul and Santorum, and also certain races in 2008 and 2010.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:18 AM

8. Why would anyone claiming to have helped stop

election fraud divide Dems? True Dems, that is.

I'm not saying that I necessarily believe the claim. But, given what happened in 2004 and what DIDN'T happen in 2012, together with the confidence so blatantly displayed by Rs in spite of the electoral math, some kind of R election fix was definitely in.

If Anonymous was responsible for stopping the fix, great, congratulations and hearty thanks from me! But even if it wasn't. the claim should hardly divide us.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:48 AM

12. Agreed. Especially that this is a possibility, and that, if true, Anonymous deserves thanks, and

that there is no reason this assertion needs to be a problematic division among we Democrats here in the Underground.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:10 AM

17. The divide

between Democrats,here and elsewhere is the divide created when the perfect becomes the enemy of the good.We're so anxious to see our people strive to deliver the best to the greatest number of people- a kind of Benthamite perspective- that we get frustrated with the realities of attaining that goal and take those frustrations out on whoever is closest, often other Democrats.

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Response to donquijoterocket (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:14 PM

22. I don't think that's the divide.

I think there is a divide between those willing to accept a statement from an anonymous source with little to back it up - as fact because it suits what we believe - and those of us who need a lot more substantiation before we accept it as truthful.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:48 AM

11. Sure, and Ohio's servers going down and being rerouted to Tennessee at 11:30 something

p.m. both in 2004 and in this election is just a coinky-dink, right? I don't understand the skepticism. Do you not believe the systems could be hacked even though we know that virtually all systems can be? Or do you not believe that Rove would stoop that low? If you believe either of those, I have a bridge to nowhere in Alaska to sell you.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:00 AM

14. Your 'explanation' of how it benefits the Right makes no sense at all.

"because somebody wrote a letter ... and you believe it, and I don't". Really? That's going to fracture the Left?

Wow.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:34 AM

9. Karl Rove is not stupid. As Bill says, Rove is at great manipulating his followers.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:47 AM

10. level of complexity?

One should wonder about narratives that require a level of complexity in planning and coordination on the part of the agents involved that seem almost god-like in prescience. I'm not claiming that RWNJs like Rove wouldn't be interested in said scheme, just questioning the possibility and probability of pulling it off without major problems and leaks. I'd love to see evidence for this narrative that doesnt require a narrator. Anonymous sure seems like a convenient boogy man for our culture. I'd like to see evidence of the existence of Anonymous operatives, other than the shell-shocked unfortunates trotted out in front of the cameras by activist prosecutors and power-seeking plutocrats every time F*x "news" features a story about terrorist organizations and the role of Anonymous. The paranoid blue-hairs are convinced the "internets" is the tool of the anti-christ and end times agents are simply doing thier "godly duty" when they repeat conspiracy theories and target minority religions as somehow anti-good. Anonymous, whether actual or fantasy, certainly seems to full-fill a function in this cultural and political atmosphere, huh?

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Response to sigmasix (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:10 AM

15. The Republican primaries were flipped for Romney.

 

The uncontravertable proof of that fact:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1648236

And Anonymous claims that the same fix was still in for the general election.

Why would anyone doubt it?

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:11 AM

13. Really great clip.

Thanks for posting it.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:12 PM

18. K&R

 

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:46 AM

24. Run again Eliot Spitzer! K&R

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