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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:44 AM

Pic Of The Moment: After Election Drubbing, Republicans Admit What We've Known All Along



Jindal: GOP Can't Be 'Party That Simply Protects The Rich'

Steve Schmidt: GOP must muzzle Rush Limbaugh

Frum on Morning Joe: a remarkable 15 minutes of television

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Reply Pic Of The Moment: After Election Drubbing, Republicans Admit What We've Known All Along (Original post)
EarlG Nov 2012 OP
Scuba Nov 2012 #1
EarlG Nov 2012 #3
Scuba Nov 2012 #10
tblue37 Nov 2012 #15
Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #19
2naSalit Nov 2012 #22
maddiemom Nov 2012 #28
MissMarple Nov 2012 #31
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #2
lark Nov 2012 #4
2naSalit Nov 2012 #23
maddiemom Nov 2012 #29
2naSalit Nov 2012 #34
bluemarkers Nov 2012 #24
mimi85 Nov 2012 #35
SoapBox Nov 2012 #5
Major Hogwash Nov 2012 #37
struggle4progress Nov 2012 #6
Scuba Nov 2012 #11
part man all 86 Nov 2012 #20
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #7
AgingAmerican Nov 2012 #8
Scuba Nov 2012 #12
maddiemom Nov 2012 #30
Caeser67 Nov 2012 #9
iandhr Nov 2012 #13
SutaUvaca Nov 2012 #14
lumpy Nov 2012 #17
Hutzpa Nov 2012 #16
PNW_Dem Nov 2012 #18
WinkyDink Nov 2012 #21
KansDem Nov 2012 #25
LeftinOH Nov 2012 #26
julian09 Nov 2012 #27
tclambert Nov 2012 #32
ballaratocker Nov 2012 #33
Douglas Carpenter Nov 2012 #36
Alcibiades Nov 2012 #38
JoeyT Nov 2012 #39
6502 Nov 2012 #40

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:49 AM

1. Good. The Schmidt piece is a little confusing. "not a con if you won't stand up to lumbaugh"???

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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:58 AM

3. Good catch

The part of the quote I edited out was where he started blathering: "you are not a real conservative if you won't, you know, if you won't, you know, stand - if you stand up to these extreme statements" -- I clipped it in the wrong place and reversed the meaning. It's fixed now, thanks.

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Response to EarlG (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:44 PM

10. Perfect! Thanks for this and all you do.

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Response to EarlG (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:08 PM

15. Notice how badly he stutters and stumbles as he tries to get those words out! nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:22 PM

19. ahaahahaha I was just about to post the same thing! good example of what he's talking about

afraid to say the truth, makes a body stutter.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:42 PM

22. Hahahaha!

Flush Rimjob's greatest hits!


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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:35 PM

28. Rush needs to relocate to Texas.

Teach those impressionable students who are being threatened by critical thinking how to become "dittoheads."

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:11 PM

31. He usually talks that way.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:51 AM

2. Perhaps they would like to survive as a national, relevant party?

Maybe the thought occurred to them that if they continue in their extremist ways, they might actually marginalize themselves right out of existence.

Stranger things have happened!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:08 PM

4. Don't think so

Repugs always believe they are the nation and the only thing that matters is making America a God fearing christian nation in their own image - teahadist. They want to marginalize the other voters, not allow them to vote, since they don't vote the "right" way. They want to seceed (sp?) from the country. I'd be willing to give up the interior, but we got both coasts except for GA, NC & SC who are clearly too red to live in the saner part of the country. That will give them access to the ATlantic and to the Gulf thru LA, Al, MS & GA. FL & OH would stay part of the US by virtue of voting for Obama.

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Response to lark (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:50 PM

23. Okay...

I don't mind if they secede but only as long as WE get to annex/retain the public lands, they can't have those... YNP and other great parts of the land that is not so heavily occupied but getting there. They can't take the crown jewels with them... and the Indians still remain sovereign and maybe get some land back too.

They can't secede and take the reservations over, we owe that to the indigenous peoples at the very least... especially when so many of them serve in the military. And speaking of the Indians, did anyone notice that as the minorities in FL, OH, AZ were suffering voter suppression tactics, the reservations had it disproportionately worse than any of those? They are citizens with voting rights too and have been severely excluded due to rednekedess for too long, in the western states in particular.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:38 PM

29. Don't they have the right to a few public lands to drill on and exploite?

Unfortunately most of us won't be around to see the obvious results.

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Response to maddiemom (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:45 PM

34. Hell NO!

They've already made such a big mess out here, it will take hundreds if not thousands of years to reverse the damage. They want to keep polluting, let them do it in their front yards... outside the boundaries of the newly configured US of A.

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Response to lark (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:15 PM

24. hey hey! NC lost because of John Edwards!

the local gop kept pounding that point across for the past three years. That and former gov Easley who did some unethical things and all the gop had to do was lump Democrats together. The good news is that many other posts were filled by Democrats. Elaine Marshall won reelection as secretary of state which is great. So thank that slimeball John Edwards - He was well liked until RH and Elizabeth is still well loved. The local Democrats rolled over and let the gop take this election without much of a fight.

I firmly believe without that negative pall hanging over our heads, Obama would have led - this is the first time we've elected a republican governor in years! The fracking industry has a HUGE interest in our state right now and the gov elect and his minions are in their pockets. It really is a sad prospect as to what will happen over the next few years. The Koch brothers have been working hard and fast to color NC red.

We don't want that to happen!

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Response to lark (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:17 PM

35. On Alternet

the article said that California (even with all our problems) could be self sustaining and Alabama couldn't even afford stop signs? Something like 16+ states are circulating petitions. I still think it's racism, period.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:08 PM

5. "they might actually marginalize themselves right out of existence."

We can only hope!

However on that note...I don't want them to change ANYTHING!

I want them...and I think that we all should encourage them...to just keep spewing their hating, woman controlling, war monering...ways!

Please!

2014 and 2016...Bring It ON!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:57 PM

37. They will break into 2 completely separate factions for awhile.

The Loyalist Republican establishment, and the Tea Party woo-woos.

The Loyalist Republican establishment will still be controlled by rich millionaires and billionaires while their Congressmen run around and make big promises to protect the very large monopolies, large corporations, Big Oil, Big Pharma, and the MIC.

While the Tea Party woo-woos will still make up the majority of the GOP base.
The people that actually vote.

The Republican party is shrinking, and they only have themselves to blame for that.
After waging a "War on Women" for the last 2 years -- with no end in sight -- there will never be a coalescent majority big enough to get another Republican elected nationwide to office, which is what is required to get a President in the White House, because more women vote for the President than men do.

There are a few moderate Republicans still out there though that they are to the "left" of the Republican party, so I'll call them "L"s.
The largest part of their base, however -- the majority that takes up the middle of the GOP party -- is made up of Americans who are idiots, so I'll call them "IA"s.
Then there are Republicans that are way more conservative than Republicans used to be, so I'll call them "R"s.
And then are a few people that are just totally clueless suckers following along like they are in a parade behind people like Sister Sarah, so I'll call them "S"s.

So, put them all together, and you get the modern GOP party -- LIARS.

How long they stay as separate factions depends totally on them.


I think that it will take more than 2 years for them to wake up to the fact that saying:
that the President wasn't born here,
that women shouldn't get equal pay for equal work, or shouldn't be able to control their own bodies or manage their own healthcare needs,
that Latinos are the reason we have so few jobs for white people in America, so immigration has to be enforced more radically these days than ever before,
that they care so much about Gay people that they never want them to go through the horrors of a divorce by keeping them from being able to get married in the first place,
and, then there's a whole boatload of crap about how we are not impacting the enviornment,
isn't going to work on a national basis.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:16 PM

6. Frum has the right idea: first, they need to ditch their activists and their donors!

Then we can talk about the Republicans becoming a meaningful political party

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

11. Snort.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:32 PM

20. Con jobs were never a meaningful anything but misogynist, fanatical bigots.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:26 PM

7. K&R nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:35 PM

8. Republicans have an ideology problem

Good luck to them un -brainwashing their base. Ain't gonna happen. Limbaugh won't stop, Spewing this filth makes him rich and very powerful. This will be interesting.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

12. "It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." Mark Twain

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:42 PM

30. Samuel Clemons: has to be our nation's greatest thinker and foremost philosopher!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:43 PM

9. Too Late, Too Late Baby

Bye Bye, Now's your time to go.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:49 PM

13. Steve Schmidt is the kind of Republican...

that you can have a sane rational conversation with even though you probably would disagree with him on most issues.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:50 PM

14. Absolutely infuriating!

These thugs have known this all along, not needing the election wake-up call. Along with inSanity evolving and Kristol suddenly seeing the practicality of the rich paying their damn fair share. So it's great to hear their supposed re-thinking, but I'd just as soon stuff all their past words down their throats, let 'em choke, and some younger, saner repugs undertake to make their party relevant again.

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Response to SutaUvaca (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:35 PM

17. Republicans lie continually and always.

n

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:18 PM

16. The GOPolitico meltdown

fun to watch.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:39 PM

18. Where are the tax returns?

I'm still talking to you Mitt and Donald.

Now that the election is over, do we just let up the pressure?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:34 PM

21. THANK YOU for this! (Jindal is just looking out for #1, but still!)

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:20 PM

25. Just more GOP hot air until a Repub denounces "Citizens' United"

So far, I haven't heard anything...

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:21 PM

26. Here's hoping that Jindal and Schmidt are squeezed out

by the GOP purists.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:34 PM

27. Norquist may have to run himself

 

before more repugs regain sanity and not put political careers on line to protect millionaires from paying an additional 4.6% in taxes.
Unbelievable what they are willing to put the country through, to save 4.6% on the $750,000 of the first million.
The first $250,000 will still be at the current 35% max income tax rate. The capital gains will remain 15%.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:58 PM

32. I'm torn. Do I want Republicans to realize they lost on the issues and need to buy some new issues,

or do I want them to continue their stupidity and keep losing elections? I think America needs a second party, one to argue and compete with Democrats so policies continue to evolve and improve. But it would be good to build up a nice winning streak, too.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:09 PM

33. Will the GOP actually listen?

Will Schmidt now shut up after Rush trashes them on the radio and his work place is bombarded with hundreds of angry e-mails? Will Jindal do likewise when Grover Norquist has him primaried in Louisiana? Whether this talk will be transformed into action is yet to be seen.
I WANT the GOP to moderate as what happens politically in the US effects the rest of the world. Since the '80's, the Liberal Party here in Australia has very much been following the lead of the Republican party. The Libs here aren't quite as insane as the GOP but they are in line with most of their policies (except gun control, abortion and prayer in school. That has never been an issue here).
If I were an American, I would want them to moderate too. Your success in politics is measured on how much you move your opposition towards your position. Reagan's success, politically not in a policy sense, was that most Democrats these days sit to the right of Richard Nixon on the questions of taxation and economic policy. If the Dems, by the election results, can get these bozos to move to a more reasonable position, then they have won a big victory.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:30 PM

36. great stuff.. posted on my Facebook

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:27 PM

38. Add Karen Hughes to the mix

"If another Republican man says anything about rape other than it is a horrific, violent crime, I want to personally cut out his tongue. The college-age daughters of many of my friends voted for Obama because they were completely turned off by Neanderthal comments like the suggestion of ‘legitimate rape."

Of course, this will only be permitted for the next month or so, after which blind subservience to GOP orthodoxy must resume. This is only permitted because it allows them to assume, if only for a moment, some semblance of rational awareness, when ion fact they hew mechanistically to the party line like the Stalinists of old.

They also keep saying "We need to be more inclusive," but when they say this, they mean they need to recruit women and minorities as candidates. They don't seem to think that women minorities or anyone else might rationally vote against the same Reagan policy retreads that have been tried and found wanting for my entire adult life.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:06 AM

39. What we're seeing is

the social conservatives and the Randroids firing the opening shots at one another over control of the party.

Both are absolutely convinced the other side cost them this election, and neither is going to back down. They started down that road in 2008, but Fox is going to have a hell of a lot more trouble getting it under control this time.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:30 AM

40. For the love of Mary!!! Now, let's not go having a lovefest...

... and start accepting these people!!!
Listen carefully to what they are saying:

Oh! We are the real "Conservatives"! We're the real "Republicans"!

We're not like those "Conservatives" or "Republicans"... we're not losers, like them!
We're not racist, like them!

They made us support voter suppression!
They made us support racism!
They made us support anti LGBT civil right!
They made us go against a woman's right to her own body!
They made us vote lock-step against a woman's right to equal pay!
We really didn't want to hate Mexicans!
And holding America hostage for the interests of Plutocrats and the 1%? Those other whacky "Republicans" were so crazy. We didn't want to follow them, really.


Blah! Blah! Blah!

Hey, do you think someone Jewish would accept an excuse from a Nazi like:

"It wasn't my fault that I supported the intimidation, harassment, torture and death and may more things to numerous and horrible to describe. But it wasn't my fault, they told me to do it."


Now think about it.
Yeah, keep thinking.

The answer is: NO!!!!

Any Jew --- God dammit, any American! --- Jesus of tricycle, the entire fricken United Nations would tell you what is the standard we on the planet live by:

To say simply that "I was following orders" is no excuse for your crimes. Your actions are your responsibility. You will pay for your crimes.


And we will not give them an inch.

We will not entertain the this ridiculous idea that they are somehow reasonable because they are distancing themselves from their own losers.

If you still want to go on believing like that, then you're


1. in denial
2. engaging in self deception
3. taken up with wishful thinking
4. easily influenced by suggesting
5. have some kind of psychological condition

or... your going to love this last one:

6. trying to deceive the rest of us

(Yeah, I said it. Someone has to.)


If you are somewhere in the #1-#5 set, I say:

Open your eyes and keep them open!


But, if you are a #6... well, the nicest thing that we can all agree to say is:

You should stop being a #6.




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