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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:00 AM

And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda, sung by Shane MacGowan of the Pogues

There are messages in Bogle's song that really speak to me.
"To hump tent and peg, a man needs two legs"



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Response to Kolesar (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:15 AM

1. Historic anti-war song. Here's the text, and another heartfelt rendition...

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Response to Kolesar (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:37 AM

2. Thousands of years ago when there were hardly any people on the planet, and resources free

 

for everyone, men still went out of there way to kill and steal from each other. After Kent State, Ohio, does anybody still have hope that things will change? I don't. I'm sure this will get loads of vilifying responses but I'm older than most of you and you won't change my mind.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:02 AM

3. "...does anybody still have hope that things will change?"

See 'Won't Get Fooled Again.'



Even at 14, I was political enough to take this song to heart, although I still hold 'Baba O'Riley' the best song on the album.

Just like the anemic changes OWS has accomplished, the thought that the large changes such as 'V for Vendetta' might bring about will not happen; much to my Utopian outlook's mind set.

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Response to greiner3 (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:44 AM

4. This one was a real favorite of mine and still says it all. (i don't know how to embed this thing)

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:15 PM

7. I don't have "hope" things WILL get better. I have facts showing things ARE getting better.

On earth today, deaths by war are getting smaller, wars are getting fewer, most poor countries are getting more prosperous, life expectancy is getting longer, diseases are getting rarer, crime is going down, and quality of life is going up. These are over all trends, not anecdotal terrible things to see on the news and get worried about. Almost all overall trend lines show human society getting more peaceful and less violent and more healthy.

There's only one trend line to worry about--rising sea levels (especially once Siberia starts to thaw out its permafrost). That shit scares me. Imagine losing Miami, Galveston, Manhattan, Bangldesh. But the rest of the trend lines look pretty positive (including a general slowing down of world population growth--plateauing out sometime before 2070.)

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Response to Kolesar (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:16 PM

5. About the Gallipoli campaign. Half a million men were killed or injured.

Casualty rates were about 60% on both sides. Think about that. Three out of every five men on both sides were killed or otherwise taken out of the war. Just brutal.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:49 AM

6. I learned the story from the movie: "Gallipoli", ...

...starring Mel Gibson. Until then, I thought the war was only fought in Europe.

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