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freshwest
(53,661 posts)Thanks for posting this. Don't know if it will change things, but...
toby jo
(1,269 posts)Copied and will send to everyone that should know. Time to see charges brought - this is off the charts.
What bastards. Glad to see his evidence shows that Mitt stole from Santorum, too.
This should have been dealt with before now - I didn't know judges were holding out on letting people actually have the ballots for hand-counting.
Boggles the mind - we'll have to have a massive march on Washington if things go this way again - & just don't leave. Occupy the goddamn whitehouse & co. jesus fuck me christ
Astazia
(262 posts)What could happen is we could lose everything. I truly believe that they have someone or more than a few planning to steal this election.
What will we do? I mean the MSM wants it close but what happens if they win people think it was close. (which according to Nate's 538 blog it is not close in many states esp Cong & Senate)
If this happens ppl will think it was Rmoney closing strong, or the Senate & Congressional seats just went a different way. W need a large enough lead to not have that happen.
can we do here...I really am scared!
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)I don't doubt the GOP is altering the numbers. However, until they get down to the voter and actually asking them who they voted for, and compare it to the paper trail, you're just blowing smoke. Proof is in the facts.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)Forensic evidence.
http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Rigged-Elections-for-Romne-by-Michael-Collins-121022-13.html
Check out the links.
reusrename
(1,716 posts)OpEdNews: Rigged Elections for Romney?
http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Rigged-Elections-for-Romne-by-Michael-Collins-121022-13.html
WillyT
(72,631 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)will be fought over a stolen election.
I have no confidence in the integrity of our system. So glad I served to preserve nothing.
j3161usa
(44 posts)I'm still wondering how or why romney is still up in the polls and the potus race is still neck-in-neck. If obamas numbers drop below 10 percent, will there be any cheatin? The GOP could claim that romney's numbers were high and that explains why obama lost. This explains why the poll numbers are soo close even after romney continue to make stupid misjudgements and other mistakes AFTER the first debate and not even mentioning the fact that he lost the last two debates. He should be drowning right now. But he is not. The poll companies may also be bought off by the koch bros, romneys money, roger ailes, rupert murdock, etc. With the kind of money they have, they can make anything happen. All I can do is vote.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The media will back Romney's claims unless the UN observers and OFA can bring charges that will convince Americans they've been robbed.
It's hard because the Koch brothers and the US CoC have put so much money into manipulating the minds of the voters. They have control most media sources, including'alternative' media, to cloud the issues.
This is a fascist takeover in slow motion. They see how close they are to getting it all, by stealing everything, so that the people will have no choice but to go begging to them and live under their rules, and are accelerating. Their plans to 'starve the beast' and 'get the government small enough to drown it in a bathtub' has been for this purpose. Defund, deregulate, decieve and demoralize the public into giving into them. Mass media sings and dances to their tune, it's like living in an echo chamber with no way out.
Since 2000, Greg Palast has said the ONLY way left to win an election is with a HUGE turnout, one so large it overcomes the cheating that the GOP has built into the system now in states. That is what happened in 2008. It has to happen again or we can just blow off any chance to affect things.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)independent analysis. This is HUGE stuff and the DOJ must be on it and the media needs to talk about this a whole lot right now!
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)First, these links should be reposted periodically to keep it up on the Latest and Greatest pages.
Second, I'd love to be proven wrong but I doubt that this will get much play (or objective coverage) in the mainstream media. The folks that are calling the shots for the elections are also calling the shots for the corporate media. There are third rail topics that the media knows that they can't touch no matter how much objective, scientific, logical evidence exists. (Climate change is a small third rail and 9/11 truth is a major third rail lest you get fired like Phil Donahue even though he had very high ratings.)
Think back to the primaries with record LOW republican turnout because their choices were non-candidates. Did anyone on this site think that any of those idiots would poll higher than 30% against Prez O? Yet here we are looking at neck and neck polls. They have to stay close so that the 10% thumb on the scale will work. They have to change or get rid of exit polling so that the 10% thumb on the scale will work. They have to establish confusion at the polling places with ID laws and purging rolls and challenging votes with caged letters so that they 10% thumb on the scale will work.
The average low info voter won't be able sort through all the statistics in the supporting link with the graph that shows the Santorum/Romney flip so they'll be happy when they're told that there is nothing to see here.
Third, before these crazy close polls came out, the Rs whined that the (more accurate) polls were skewed or weighted wrong. Then "corrected" polls came out that cut Prez Os lead WAY down. Now, if Ds point out the improper weighting, the Rs say that they were wrong before and now they are corrected and accurate and that the Ds are just whining.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)URL Gives error:
http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/breaking-retired-nsa-analyst-proves-gop-is-stealing-elections/article20598.html
I have:
http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Rigged-Elections-for-Romne-by-Michael-Collins-121022-13.html
Near as I can tell:
Graphing each candidate's vote-count in a precinct VERSUS size of precinct SHOWS a straight line increase for Romney and a straight line decrease for other candidates.
Graphs are from WI and OH Republican primaries.
1. vote-count VERSUS precinct-size for non-paper tabulation
VERSUS AGAIN
2. vote-count VERSUS precinct-size for paper-backuped tabulation
1. Has no paper backup and shows the straight line increase for Romney and decreases for the rest.
WHEREAS
2. Has paper and should show a level, BUT he does not show this graph.
(I need that graph or raw data.)
... as though a certain percentage of votes are given to Romney and taken partly from each other candidate.
This could be done in a variety of ways using the tabulating computer itself.
The graphs show curve at the beginning.
... as though the percentage increases as the program waits for a certain number of first votes to pass before applying the percentage. Or, it could be binomial which would give a curve and then straighten out looking too close to a straight line. I forgot how to do the binomial for the moment.
AFTER VOTER CASTS VOTE COMPUTER DOES:
VOTE is set to whatever voter input into the machine.
if Votes-cast-so-far > 100 then if COMPUTER-GENERATED-RANDOM-NUMBER > .85 then VOTE becomes a vote for Romney.
That would give a rough looking graph for smaller precincts and level out as we get to larger precincts as a straight line with a 15% grade going up for Romney. Everyone else would see a smaller grade going down.
That is what the graphs show.
Author should check to see if sum of those grades downward equals the Romney's rise as double check.
Although, they may be doing something slightly more complex.
If you've read this much, thanks. I'm just thinking out loud.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)By Denis G. Campbell and
Charley James
(c) 25 October 2012
UPDATED: Why is Mitt Romney so confident?
In states where the winner will be decided by less than 10%, of the vote he already knows he will win. This is no tinfoil hat conspiracy. Its a maths problem. And mathematics showed changes in actual raw voting data that had no statistical correlation other than programmable computer fraud. This computer fraud resulted in votes being flipped from Democrat to Republican in every federal, senatorial, congressional and gubernatorial election since 2008 (thus far) and in the 2012 primary contests from other Republicans to Mitt Romney.
This goes well beyond Romneys investment control in voting machine maker Hart Intercivic and Diebolds close ties to George W. Bush. Indeed all five voting machine companies have very strong GOP fundraising ties, yet executives (including the candidates son Tagg Romney) insist there is no conflict between massively supporting one party financially whilst controlling the machines that record and count the votes.
A retired NSA analyst has spent several sleepless nights applying a simple formula to past election results across Arizona. His results showed across-the-board systemic election fraud on a coordinated and massive scale. But the analysis indicated that this only happens in larger precincts because anomalies in small precincts can be more easily detected...
President Obama won by such a huge margin in 2008 that even with this anomaly built into the system, he cruised to victory. This year the election is much closer. Can American democracy afford yet another election crisis placing three of the four last national Presidential election results in question or worse: The outcome was stolen, the outcome a victim of election theft?
I can't post any more because of the 4 paragraph limit, but I can send you a message with the entire text if you can't load it. The UK Progressive link also has graphs and methods to check the raw data in elections to find the anomaly, and suggestions on what to do to stop this. The man who wrote the article investigated all the elections in AZ and found huge problems with vote rigging. He says this needs DOJ attention but I think they are overwhelmed at this point. OFA is counting on turnout to overcome. We have to keep electing people to change this. It's going to be an uphill battle until at least 2030, IMHO.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The bigger the precinct (x axis) the higher the number of votes for Romney and corresponding decrease for Santorum and Paul when all lines should look like the Gingrich line. (Source: MA Duniho)
Chart showing Barber v Kelly special election to replace Gabby Giffords result in Pima County where the margin of victory was too large even with the supposed 'fix' in to overcome.
midnight
(26,624 posts)goclark
(30,404 posts)Hit it democrats!!
midnight
(26,624 posts)goclark
(30,404 posts)it's within the last few days, probably in General Disussion.
One of the Mitwits sons owns a piece of a group that has been doing voter suppression.
goclark
(30,404 posts)It will take the UN advisors and everyone marching in the streets when
we have absolute proff ...what will it take to get absolute proof!
Let's get ready for the fight to the finish!