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Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
2. His supporters (not surprisingly) are just as bad as he is, laughing and applauding
Tue Aug 2, 2016, 06:33 PM
Aug 2016

every idiotic thing that comes out of his mouth.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
3. I'm sorry but the crying baby incident is moot! What's important is what he was saying...
Tue Aug 2, 2016, 07:44 PM
Aug 2016

...and how he was saying it. I doubt anyone in that audience knows if what he's saying about China devaluing the money is true. I don't know if it's true. If I found out it was true, I wouldn't be surprised. But the fact that it sounds credible, and he makes it sound like he knows what to do about is, the fact that he's got his audience in the palm of his hand with this story...that "trumps" the baby story like no one's business. THAT is what we should be paying attention to.

Here's what he did with that story in case you didn't notice:
(1) He makes it seem like he's giving his audience inside information on a scam that no one else is going to let them in on. Other politicians won't tell them this, but he will. He's their friend, and they're his friends.

(2) China is the enemy. Which keeps eyes off any other enemies that Donald either doesn't want eyes on (Russia) or wants his supporters to not think about at the moment (ISIS and the Middle East). He directs their ire and attention where he wants it, and away from subjects that are harder for him to tap-dance around.

(3) He's telling them about a scam by foreigners to hurt Americans—"doesn't this make you mad?" he's saying. And yes, of course it's going to make people mad. It's going to get them in "take revenge!" mode—he creates a villain that people can unify against. And makes himself the superhero who will defeat that villain.

(4) He makes it seem like our interests in helping other countries (Afghanistan, etc.), are distractions. So we should stop getting involved (this supports his dump NATO position). And enough people *are* tired of us being involved in foreign conflicts that this gets them on his side; as compared to Democrats saying "we need to stay involved."

(5) He makes this scam simple to understand—there may be very complex economics involved, but he makes it seems like all problems are easy to understand and those who make them seem complex aren't being straight with Americans (this is the old "hate and fear intellectuals, admire the plain-spoken guy&quot .

(6) He presents himself as knowing the answer. And it will be as simple as is the problem. Easy-peezy. Do this one simple thing and "presto!" China gets screwed instead of us (take that China!) and they learn never to mess with us again! Haha! Trump can magically solve any problem.

Do you see? Never mind the crying baby! This is Donald showing us why he is a DANGEROUS MAN. If he was just stupid, just tossing out insults, just making outrageous faux pas, we wouldn't have such a close race. If you bring up him tossing out a crying baby to any wavering voter, that voters going to brush it off as nothing. As a "So what?" You have to fight what Donald is saying here about China. How are you going to get someone raptly listening to him tell this little children's story and make them understand they what he's saying either isn't true, or is simplistic, or can't be solved that easily—not even by the president? We can't get Trump evangelicals to change their minds. But these sorts of stories are exactly what can lure swing voters Trump's way. We have to find ways to get them to see the smoke and mirrors, to understand this magic trick and disregard it's lure. How are we going to do that? THAT is what the Democrats and we, here, fighting for the Democrats need to discuss. Not the baby.

Red Knight

(704 posts)
11. I agree
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 09:52 AM
Aug 2016

When will the media get into the actual issues--of how each candidate will attack the problems? That's when Trump gets blown out of the water. Trump would RATHER talk about crying babies. And if every dumb thing he says becomes a headline, no matter how insignificant, sooner or later some people may even view him as the victim he's trying to play.

I get that his stupidity gets pointed out--but how about getting more details on how his father bailed him out from his failing business ventures time and time again? Show how his investors bailed on him in Atlantic City. Show how his foolishness led to bankruptcies. Talk about how he really always just wanted to be a celebrity, from his early years to his failed investment in a play. His decisions have not been good. They have been terrible. If not for his father--he would have faded away years ago.

"The Art of The Deal" should have been subtitled--(How to Let Dad Bail You Out When You Screw Up).

We're worried about him kissing babies? I'm not.

Force his supporters to confront the REAL Donald Trump.

Let him and his surrogates explain that.

Midnight Writer

(21,751 posts)
6. Hey, The Donald kids. It's a joke. Cut him some slack. He's just pulling the leg of the MSM.
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 12:10 AM
Aug 2016

I have watched this several times courtesy of the cable news channels, and it seems more bizarre each time.

Is he kidding? Is he tweaking his opponents? Sarcasm? Mind-f'ing the mother of the child?

Or is he maybe, just possibly, totally unhinged? As in completely BATS**T crazy?

At 70 years old, he is a candidate for age related dementia. I cared for my father in his late years as he slipped into dementia and this is very much how it starts. Inappropriate remarks, loud insults, disjointed speech, temper tantrums. It often seemed that he was saying things out loud, unfiltered, without realizing it. He also exhibited paranoia, that everyone was plotting against him, that I was trying to poison him to get his money (he didn't have a dime, and in fact I ended up paying out of my pocket for his final expenses), that the doctors were trying to murder him, that people were breaking into his home at night and setting up a drug dealing and fencing operation. His brother insisted that his weird outbursts were a joke, that he was just jerking my chain.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
12. Whether it's normal or not doesn't change the fact that everyone in the room...
Wed Aug 3, 2016, 01:39 PM
Aug 2016

...laughed when he did it and waited like kids at story time to hear the end of his China-devaluing-the-money story. They were in the palm of his hand. The news can make a big deal out of the baby, we can make a big deal out of the baby. But none of it is going to make most voters, even those who are NOT Trump faithful say, "Gosh, not liking a crying baby interrupting your speech is abnormal, I'm voting for Hillary."

What WILL make voters say--at LEAST--"I'm not voting for Trump" is to explain, in as engaging a way as Trump's storytelling, why Trump is totally and completely wrong (or at least mistaken) in this tale about China and the money and/or how to solve it. What WILL make voters say--at LEAST--"I'm not voting for Trump" is to make them see he is a magician, showman and storyteller...not anyone able to solve real world problems.

Insulting gold star families and saying he doesn't like crying babies can work some, but they're not going to carry the day. They're not going to be enough of a "wake-up" call to undecided or "maybe Trump" voters. In fact, they could work against us if such voters begin to see Trump as being picked on for small and stupid thing rather than important things. Who cares if he got annoyed at a crying baby? He's trying to tell a story. Everyone wants to hear it. The baby is interrupting.

Is asking the mother to step out really that big a news story? Trump can make fun of this and get a lot of people to say, "Yeah, that one was blown all out of proportion?" And pretty soon, they might start to say, "if they're blowing that out of proportion, maybe they blew the gold star insult out of proportion..." We can't rely on these little "abnormal" glitches to end Trump's almost equal standing with voters. If you want to kill a magician's act, you don't point out how he was impatient with an audience member. You show people how the trick is done and take out their fun in watching him perform it.

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