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(7,573 posts)and this garbage will not be posted......thank goodness!
DU SUPPORTS our nominee...if you cannot do that....good bye.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)
---- when you can't handle the truth, censor it.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Stryder
(450 posts)Where are all the progressives going to hang out after the purge.
I mean, I'm a pretty good tongue biter (as my post count suggests. 5ish year member, 5ish year lurker.),
but when the "Pivot" comes...
And I've gone ahead and had that
one more glass of wine....
Heh,heh,heh. Just noticed.My 420th post.
(See what I mean about that one more glass.)
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)That's good to know.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)we are much better off with the general public, the ones that will really decide the election, to get all of their information from the Trump campaign. No doubt the Trump campaign will spin it to make Hillary look her best.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Not once. Not ever.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)AntiBank
(1,339 posts)Heres what we know about the investigation so far.
The FBI is conducting an investigation. (Its the Federal Bureau of Investigation, after all.)
Inspectors General from the State Department and the intelligence community referred the case to the Executive Branch in July 2015. The referral memo made clear that the Inspectors General were not suggesting that anyone involved in Clintons email setup committed a crime. Rather, they were following their statutory obligation to inform the intelligence community about any potential security breach namely, that Clinton possibly held classified information on her email server located outside secure government facilities.
Clinton says she never knowingly sent or received classified information, a possibly criminal action.
In August, the FBI entered the case.
The FBI is determining if criminal activity occurred in connection with the email setup.
We talked to experts in federal criminal investigations, and they told us that the FBI doesnt look into issues just for the heck of it. They assess cases to find out whether criminal activity occurred.
"We dont do these because were curious," said Ellen Glasser, a retired FBI special agent who worked on cases regarding mishandled classified information. "Theres a potential that a criminal violation took place."
snip
White House Uses 'Criminal' To Describe Hillary Investigation
Just What Is An FBI Investigation? A Fact Sheet
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/just-what-fbi-investigation-fact-sheet
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)under wraps, never to be seen... it's possible! So, in reality, there is no criminal investigation going on. (Think about it!)
Pauldg47
(640 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Hillary will spend a lot of time responding to his allegations and without the facts will have to dance around the accusations and look very foolish and secretive.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's going to be awfully boring around here.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)(hello! hello! hello! hello!)
I wonder if they'll all be blonde with blue eyes, then?
840high
(17,196 posts)have blue eyes. Watch it MMM.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,868 posts)What hair I have left is blonde, and eyes are blue and I can't wait until the 20th. There are about 10-20 posters on here that do nothing but trash the candidate and do harm to OUR movement, whether you were a Sanders or a Clinton supporter.
I can't wait to see the crap they throw up here disappear tomorrow.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I don't suffer fools easily.
phazed0
(745 posts)Posting current news on DU is not going to be banned, no matter how much you want to thwart the 1st Amendment.
The Blue Flower
(5,439 posts)This is going to be highly filtered site. Very sad and disappointing. And not worth my time anymore, especially since she won't need my vote.
-none
(1,884 posts)How dare they state facts not flattering to Hillary.
swhisper1
(851 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)There was a thread a few days ago, with one side arguing what news sites would be and would not be allowed here after Monday. Guess which side? There were a few Left leaning sites mentioned as Right wing sites that would not allowed because they were not kind enough to Hillary.
swhisper1
(851 posts)because we dems need to know what the public is reading. It is important to know
A Liberal, Democratic site.
http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php
swhisper1
(851 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)lastone
(588 posts)Stick your head in the sand ostrich!
Nothing personal but....
:-[
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Sad that you are for suppressing facts
swhisper1
(851 posts)Obama did delay, and we all know why. That is his third favor to her.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Millions of viewers watch CNN. The Owners donate to Hillary Clinton
Wilms
(26,795 posts)But how would you characterize intentional ignorance?
I thought Democratic voters were smarter voters who didn't put blinders on and just overlook anything that might be an uncomfortable truth about the party or candidate. If this party or website is about nothing but blind obedience I'll gladly move along.
And before you think otherwise--I'm voting for Hillary in November. But she should be held accountable to voters--even her own voters. If the sort of blind allegiance you support becomes the standard practice of this party I will leave it.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)It has never turned out well.
xocet
(3,871 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)in a pigs eye.
840high
(17,196 posts)jalan48
(13,853 posts)zalinda
(5,621 posts)This Obama email block is about the TPP, they are afraid if people find out how Hillary really feels about this 'trade' agreement, she won't get elected.
This has been one of the most openly corrupt 'elections' I have ever seen or even read about. Bush supporters told us in 2000 to get over it and now Hillary supporters are telling us to get over it. What a bunch of crooks! Since they can't win legitimately, they both had to cheat. This feels like "Groundhog Day".
Z
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I suspect they've all supported the trade agreements from day one.
And if it's between Trump and her, I doubt it will affect many if any votes from Sanders' supporters.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)before Bernie even announced he was running, in fact my mind was made up about Hillary before she announced she was running. I have seen nothing to make me want to change my mind.
Because I'm getting too old to waste another vote by voting against somebody, I will from now on only vote for someone. I will just have to find the most liberal candidate running for President and that person will get my vote.
Remember the only way the best candidate wins is if you vote for them.
phazed0
(745 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)There must also be a significant portion of Democrats supporting Hillary who oppose TPP. Democrats have historically opposed trade deals because they are at the expense of the American workers. Bill Clinton did a bait and switch on Nafta in 1992. He leaned toward opposition until after the election, when he declared for it, and then fought for its passage, with Al Gore, Blue Dog Democrats and all the Republicans at the helm of the Free Trade Parade. We have experienced the results, unfortunately, for 23 years.
It's a big deal if Hillary plans to do the same with TPP. She's unquestionably better than Trump, but the bar is probably the lowest in history. Trump has obvious mental problems. I hope Hillary keeps her word on being against TPP. I'll be voting on that, constitutional rights and the Supreme Court, and trying to save the world we live in from our own ignorance and bad habits. I guess you could say that Obama and Bernie will always have my heart, but Hillary will get my vote in their absence. I'm open for her to grow on me.
And may I recommend that everyone watch Michael Moore's latest movie, Where To Invade Next. Verry entertaining!
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)It just boggles my mind that anyone who claims to "know" her, still thinks she might not be for the TPP.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)She's not for the TPP as it is worded now.
But maybe after an extra comma is put in the document somewhere......
Then she'll be saying what a good deal this is good for us all.
Which means good for them
Not for anyone who works for a living and pays taxes
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And they have been in the big club so long they don't know anyone else exists...and if they do they don't care.
They have never worked for a living and never will, and neither will their children.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)You are correct.
The more I listen to Thomas Frank on this the more I agree.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Four Freedoms should be for everyone
Not just a privileged few.
Stryder
(450 posts)the other day when I heard Oprah endorsed Hills.
"Look under your seat. You get a TPP. And you get a TPP.
And you get..."
Surprise! (Not really.)
appalachiablue
(41,114 posts)which Obama the candidate said he would redesign. For each one of these deals it's been, 'it'll be better!' Ha!
"HAFTA", new one to me and perfect.
A few weeks ago we ordered MM's new film through Move On for a $27 donation which he plugged on Bill Maher.
But it's delayed because they've been swamped. Can't wait to see, might even check for it on Netfilx, etc.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)We may well be seeing a realignment of the parties where the Democratic Party truly does become the corporate party.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)It's just that it's hard for people to leave a party they've belonged to their whole lives, just because it left them.
If there were a perfect party out there that I thought had a chance of competing with the two big ones and that was as progressive as I think this country should be right now, I'd probably switch...but that party is not out there.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)If strong support for the TPP came to light I suspect that would be even more true.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Her 1% base will be affected too. They will get even RICHER.
Unfortunately, most of her supporters either Work for a Living, or have families that Work for a Living,
and THEY will be affected negatively.
Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html
Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers
(Prototype for the TPP)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html
Meet the TPP: Crony capitalism on a global scale
https://represent.us/action/tpp/
Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210
"Obama Admins TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses From Big Banks"
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admin%E2%80%99s-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/
....but "studies" and sources of real information, and the fact Obama and Hillary want to HIDE this information from her supporters won't even enter the outer chambers of awareness for her fan base.
swhisper1
(851 posts)also google the TPP findings from affected countries, half of which are not happy with corporations dictating trade by using misleading language in regulations and rules.
If any of these deals go through, the monopolys will rule the worlds water, food and medical supplies
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Response to berniesandero (Original post)
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stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Citing internet memes? "45 times." "Gold standard." All refuted over and over.
Shit. Tapper's story should be refuting the BS!
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)I didn't know that had been refuted. Link?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)That's key, because we know from experience, and of course research proves it, that respecting workers' rights leads to positive long-term economic outcomes, better jobs with higher wages and safer working conditions. And including everybody in that, those who have been previously left out of the formal economy will help build a strong middle class, not only here in Australia or in our country, but across Asia. And that will be good for us.
If we do this right, and that's what we're trying to do, then globalization, which is inevitable, can become a race to the top with rising standards of living and more broadly shared prosperity...
http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2012/11/200565.htm
swhisper1
(851 posts)by offended nations, that foreign corporations can sue the US for any percieved shortcoming. Also that the US can sue any tiny country out of existance, take their land and resources, and laugh all the way to the bank. The language in the agreement allows the removal of regulations. It does not protect the environment or third world and poor countries, it does not lift all boats. It is a document that allows CORPORATIONS free rein in world monopolies. 3rd way Democrats, especially Clinton is all for that. Just like her election, the TPP was secret and decided before it went to congress, and all our corporate- bought congressmen pushed through the bill.
It is a job killer, environment killer, and leads to inequality world wide.
Globalization is not inevitable. It is a plot for power to a very few sick individuals. Country identity is fading swiftly, we will not have a country in ten years, we will be owned by mega corporations
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)to bash Hillary with - since Congress isn't even considering approving it - this is not a reasonable discussion.
Just more ridiculous Hillary Hate.
She opposes the finalized agreement. But let's keep calling her a liar! Cause it's Hillary.
swhisper1
(851 posts)why fast track something you are against?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)From wiki:
It doesn't guarantee Congress will even consider approving any agreement!
By the way - TPA - and the approval by Congress to negotiate TPP - was passed long after Hillary left as Secretary of State. There was no guarantee Congress even would pass it, you might recall!
What the rightwing organizations ( and 'the left,' apparently) wants with those CNN-issue emails is just more irrelevant crap to bash Hillary with!
It's nice to see 'the left' and 'the right' are so cozy together! Doesn't give you pause?
swhisper1
(851 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)down our throats. This is only the first of many proposed, all with disregards to the aftereffects, Locked in trade is very very dangerous indeed
swhisper1
(851 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)What is she hiding from us?
Do YOU support the TPP? Do you even know what it is?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)From the repeated comments and criticisms I see at DU, I am certain people here put their faith in opinion rather than fact. Since it is a certainty that fact impacts opinion in no consequential way when that opinion is validated in an 'echo chamber' of manipulated delusion, there really is no point to 'discussion.'
Fact - here is a link to the actual finalized TPP agreement which is what will be considered for approval. Find where the "TPP crackpots" and their end-of-world rants are valid. Good luck! Or - more likely - repeat the same old uninformed crap.
"Do I even know what it is..."
https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership
swhisper1
(851 posts)real breakdowns from speakers who show the legal defenses cross each other out in favor of those with power. Same old story, the bullies cow the weakers. I would never use a USA source, as they work for those who wrote it with Hillary at the head of the table. The following trade deals are more lids on the coffins. The TPP is her baby. She will not kill it. That is our duty
swhisper1
(851 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)A corporate selection would divide this country further than it is already, if they think Americans are stupid enough to go along with this they are mistaken. This is why I am nervous, because these people do shock and awes when they are backed against the wall. Truly dangerous folks.
phazed0
(745 posts)Response to berniesandero (Original post)
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2banon
(7,321 posts)amazing.. just a momentary lapse korporate management I'm sure.
thanks for sharing.!
Phil1934
(49 posts)isn't this enough for her to lose her security clearance? Can you imagine briefings where the President is asked to leave the room?
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)the campaign season.
Aren't you concerned about Trump's upcoming intelligence briefings?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)Bill lose his too? Interesting question.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)the usual hurdles.
Which should be another reason to be terrified of a Trump candidacy.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)have blanketed the State Department with FOIA requests that can't be accomplished in a timely manner with the staff that they have. The Rethugs would rather complain about State's response than to expand their budget to pay for these costs.
phazed0
(745 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Some of his supporters sure love to attack Obama.
swhisper1
(851 posts)Obama is a likeable 3rd wayer and he performed miracles. but this is wrong.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)pressured the NY Times to sit on domestic surveillance story until after the 2004 election?
Remember how outraged we were?
From private servers to unreleased transcripts, Madam SECRETary's ardent supporters have shown that openness and transparency are dependent upon partisanship.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Christ. He's been president for 7 years and still doesn't seem to understand blowback.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)the Hillary camp to ensure her nomination.
Oh shoot!
Damn it if I didn't see it a mile away. The Thirdway is protecting it's interests!
Of course the "New Democrat" will contort in anyway possible to help his monied, banker friendly, corporate friendly, middle class killing, job killing, outsourcing, election stealing group to move their next toady into the President of the United States position.
C'mon! Who can resist the ring of "Your new female President!"
It's not what she does but who she is!
Now everyone shut your pie holes and go home!
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)on the second correspondence to Sirota, the date given for release was November 31, 2016?
Last I knew November only has 30 days.
30 days has September, April, June and November.
Uncle Joe
(58,338 posts)this means you as a voter will not have information that you might want about Hillary Clinton and important substantive issues; jobs and trade until you have already decided to vote for her or Trump."
Pathetic.
Thanks for the thread, berniesandero.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Why is Obama shielding her until after the Election? Is there something there that might make voters feel badly about him along with Hillary? We know that his major start-up funder for his Presidential Campaign was Penny Pritzger....Heir to Hotel Fortune Family and his first pick as Secretary of Commerce but she couldn't get confirmed in his first term. She serves now as SOC and has been an Advocate for the TPP since the beginning conception and was WHY she supported Obama in the first place.
Someone is going to find those E-Mails and publish them. Maybe it's in Julian Assange's coming release of her E-Mails that he feels will be very revealing and damaging to her.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She can try to hide this, but that will only be effective for the Bubble People.
Laser102
(816 posts)earthshine
(1,642 posts)So, which is it? Are you pro-Clinton, pro-TPP, or does your love of the former outweigh any actual sensibilities you have about the latter?
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)and then, will she or won't she throw him under the bus? No reason to, as 55% of registered democrats voted to excuse her in advance.
Really sad, and sadly predictable
UNLESS ... (trumpets blare) she gets her elected SD's to pledge to vote against it in the lame duck session. Maybe Elizabeth and Bernie can filibuster it, or does fast track by-pass the senate?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,122 posts)is sauce for the gander
McConnell is stonewalling Supreme Court hearings until 2017??
Obama is stonewalling release of State Department emails.
What is CNN so upset about? They don't get the tit for tat?
senz
(11,945 posts)The TPP, if passed, would be a major leap away from democracy and into corporatocracy. It is a direct assault on the American people.
They don't want us to know Hillary's history with it.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)What a FUCKING LIE.
Two more days, huh?
840high
(17,196 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)Sec. Clinton did not say - "As of today, I am not in favor of it."
Sec. Clinton did say - "As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it."
What exactly did she learn about the TPP?
She may have learned that many groups oppose the TPP. In which case, her statement means that she is not in favor of the fact that many groups oppose the TPP.
One should keep in mind that parsing sentences very carefully is what former President Bill Clinton is known for - though the impeachment was ridiculous: "It depends upon what the meaning of 'is' is." That was his formulation.
Sec. Clinton is, at least, as smart as former President Clinton and may be equally inclined to parse uncomfortable or disadvantageous statements rather carefully.
Her actual thoughts on the TPP as evinced in her emails should be released prior to the Democratic convention, rather than after the election.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)She "learned" (from her handlers and focus groups) that if she openly supported it during her campaign, it would be a "negative"would lose her support among Unions and the informed Working Class.
THAT is what she "learned".
This will expire once she is sworn in.
xocet
(3,871 posts)Thanks for the reply.
DustyJoe
(849 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... PO has as much disdain for the FOIA requests as Hillary has. The rationale behind the whole do-it-yourself-email business was to avoid being held responsible for what she had been doing for 4 yrs while in the office of SOS. You can't tell me PO didn't know anything about HRC's e-mail controversy while it was occurring. I would think that this makes PO complicit.
swhisper1
(851 posts)He wants to think the best of people. As far as the TPP, he is just plain wrong, totally wrong and I cant fathom why he would back such a bad deal
ReRe
(10,597 posts)I would like to sit down with him and ask him to please explain his rationale for the TPP trade deals.
onecaliberal
(32,812 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)She should hold a press confrence, and announce that she does not object to the emails being released. In fact, she should formally request that the state department release the emails.
People want transparency, this her her opportunity to give them some.
She needs to run an honest campaign, and if she won't release the emails, I'll just assume that she doesn't want us to see whats in them.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Besides, it would be out-of-character for her to be openly honest about anything.