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Obama allows State Dept. to hold Hillary emails until after election; even CNN is outraged[VIDEO] (Original Post) berniesandero Jun 2016 OP
2 more days....2 more days.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #1
Yes Two More Days until speaking the truth becomes a DU "violation". Sad really. nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #4
Yes it is especially since info on her and bill is going to be slowly leaked out. classykaren Jun 2016 #30
Don't you dare post any of it or your sorry ass will be run out of here. Hoppy Jun 2016 #71
Sad, but maybe withholding the truth works to Hillary's advantage... her lack of transparency is prolly a smart campaign move. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #91
So, yeah. I was just wondering... Stryder Jun 2016 #88
Not honoring a FOIA request is garbage? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #8
And just why would we want the public to have the truth about Hillary's emails? We don't, A Simple Game Jun 2016 #10
The FBI has never confirmed there's an investigation! scscholar Jun 2016 #76
Not that this deserves a response but... Trump won't care. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2016 #77
bullshit AntiBank Jun 2016 #84
No, the FBI is the Federal BUREAU of Investigation... so maybe it's keepin it's criminal investigation of Hillary's emails hidden in a Bureau somewhere... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #92
This will haunt her during her presidency w potential impeachment and slowing her ability as Prez. Pauldg47 Jun 2016 #85
It will also let Trump define the crime and it's seriousness. A Simple Game Jun 2016 #97
You can't be serious Ned_Devine Jun 2016 #12
Yep, two more days until the Echo Chamber is in place. Facts be damned. arcane1 Jun 2016 #14
Hello! MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #61
Hey I'm blonde and 840high Jun 2016 #62
heh-heh... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #64
Likewise SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #113
I'm cautiously optimistic... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #125
You may want to re-read the rules.. phazed0 Jun 2016 #21
Right, the hell with CNN if they're going to put facts out there The Blue Flower Jun 2016 #29
CNN will be designated a right-wing hate site and banned from DU. -none Jun 2016 #49
in your dreams swhisper1 Jun 2016 #78
Maybe I should have added the sarcasm thingy? -none Jun 2016 #86
at least a sarcastic smilie, yeah, news sources cant be banned swhisper1 Jun 2016 #93
JPR -none Jun 2016 #99
already there swhisper1 Jun 2016 #100
Thumb up. -none Jun 2016 #103
Fucking pathetic lastone Jun 2016 #32
You dream of a purge? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #48
What is untrue about that report? Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #54
not a word is untruth swhisper1 Jun 2016 #79
yep 840high Jun 2016 #80
This is Jake Tapper reporting from CNN--a Mainstream US Media Site! KoKo Jun 2016 #67
It is better to know how to learn than to know. Wilms Jun 2016 #72
Wow. Red Knight Jun 2016 #75
Historically, other countries have tried this type of Party Loyalty before Principle. bvar22 Jun 2016 #110
One does hope that you will stop.... n/t xocet Jun 2016 #83
But, but Hillary is a REAL Democrat 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #2
...!100++++ 840high Jun 2016 #63
What a surprise! Looks like Obama's 'Hope and Change' is working for Hillary. jalan48 Jun 2016 #3
Wait until the Wiki-leaks drop. zalinda Jun 2016 #6
It certainly won't affect her base. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #9
It won't affect this Bernie supporter. My mind was made up about Hillary A Simple Game Jun 2016 #15
Here here! phazed0 Jun 2016 #22
Amen. senz Jun 2016 #58
...! Informed People! KoKo Jun 2016 #68
Not just Sanders supporters. These Nafta Cafta Hafta trade bills are killing our jobs. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #18
I still think they will vote for her anyway. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #19
Well wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #33
The us all refers to the big club. zeemike Jun 2016 #73
Absolutely wallyworld2 Jun 2016 #74
Had a weird,quick flash of a thought Stryder Jun 2016 #90
Very true about these duplicitous trade 'agreements' like NAFTA appalachiablue Jun 2016 #55
It may hurt her with some Independents TDale313 Jun 2016 #31
I think it's been the corporate party for some time passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #36
Independents are not going to vote for her. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #42
I suspect you're right. TDale313 Jun 2016 #44
I'm pretty sure they already know, that's why they won't vote for her because she lies. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #59
This is especially ironic, because her fan base WILL be affected. bvar22 Jun 2016 #111
this should be pinned, thank you swhisper1 Jun 2016 #120
Yes, it is. It's the TPP. nt zentrum Jun 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #5
seems legit ! stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #7
What a load of crap, Jake Tapper. Shame! yallerdawg Jun 2016 #11
re: " 'Gold standard.' All refuted over and over. " thesquanderer Jun 2016 #34
One last time before Monday... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #37
you convienently leave out that future presidents cannot make changes without being sued swhisper1 Jun 2016 #95
Since TPP is just another issue... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #107
Congress isnt considering it? says who? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #108
"Fast track" is Congressional authorization to negotiate the trade agreement. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #112
what scares me is no amendments or filibusters, but more than that- the secrecy swhisper1 Jun 2016 #115
It's not secret - or scary. yallerdawg Jun 2016 #117
It is scary that trade deals that do not serve the people and do serve corporations is rammed swhisper1 Jun 2016 #119
she wrote it with her corporate cronies. That is not a lie- it is documented swhisper1 Jun 2016 #109
Why is Obama holding her E-Mails until After the Election, then? KoKo Jun 2016 #69
TPP -Trans-Pacific Partnership yallerdawg Jun 2016 #102
I get my TPP info from European sources, who have alot to lose swhisper1 Jun 2016 #105
she is hiding her role in it swhisper1 Jun 2016 #106
K&R felix_numinous Jun 2016 #13
Agreed. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #16
I'm surprised to see and hear Korporate Media discussing this matter so honestly 2banon Jun 2016 #17
violation of the law aside Phil1934 Jun 2016 #20
Presidents automatically have security clearance. And briefings begin during pnwmom Jun 2016 #26
No, he won't listen to them. He listens to his own "brain". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #50
Did felix_numinous Jun 2016 #35
Presidents have automatic security clearances without going through pnwmom Jun 2016 #81
More old news re-packaged as new news. Justice Watch and the Rethugs pnwmom Jun 2016 #23
That sounds like an unfounded excuse to me, not a reason. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #27
This is an old story. Been there, done that. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #28
bullshit, this is likely a coverup swhisper1 Jun 2016 #121
No wonder so many Obama voters don't trust Bernie. pnwmom Jun 2016 #122
on trade, he has lost my trust swhisper1 Jun 2016 #123
Remember when the Bush administration OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #38
+1 840high Jun 2016 #65
Some favor Obama did for the Hillster. forest444 Jun 2016 #39
Ohhhh NO,,, EMAILS,,,,, Oh the horror of it all!,,Drink! Cryptoad Jun 2016 #40
You don't say. How could this be? Are you telling me Obama's in collusion with Phlem Jun 2016 #41
Legacy stained for good... onecaliberal Jun 2016 #43
Anyone else notice Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #45
"The average FOIA request from the State Dept. normally take 111 days this one will take 489 days Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #46
What is she Hiding? She says she's been "forthcoming" about Everything! KoKo Jun 2016 #70
Her pants are on fire (again). bvar22 Jun 2016 #114
Will the 20th ever come? Laser102 Jun 2016 #47
CNN doesn't stop on the 20th. Neither will the truth. earthshine Jun 2016 #51
Hillary can say whatever she wants - the TPP passage will be on Obama's watch floppyboo Jun 2016 #52
Is anyone surprised Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #53
Obama is a HERO b/c what's sauce for the goose bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #56
It is outrageous. They are hiding Hillary. Hiding her from the American people. senz Jun 2016 #57
"As of today, I'm against after what I LEARNED about it"... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #60
I will never vote for evil. 840high Jun 2016 #66
"As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it." --Sec. Clinton on the TPP, 10/7/15 xocet Jun 2016 #82
I can tell you what she "learned" about the TPP. bvar22 Jun 2016 #116
Yes. You are preaching to the choir. xocet Jun 2016 #124
What a surprise .... Not ! n/t DustyJoe Jun 2016 #87
There is something wrong with that decision… midnight Jun 2016 #89
Apparently... ReRe Jun 2016 #94
to some degree, but I doubt he knew she was soliciting donors to the Foundation for pay to play swhisper1 Jun 2016 #96
Me neither, swhisper1 ReRe Jun 2016 #98
Payback to his owners. It's not that difficult to figure out. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #104
As in "Or else"? eom ReRe Jun 2016 #126
Here is what Hillary should do Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #101
Its a little too late for Hillary to run an "honest" campaign. bvar22 Jun 2016 #118

chillfactor

(7,573 posts)
1. 2 more days....2 more days....
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

and this garbage will not be posted......thank goodness!

DU SUPPORTS our nominee...if you cannot do that....good bye.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
71. Don't you dare post any of it or your sorry ass will be run out of here.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)

---- when you can't handle the truth, censor it.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
91. Sad, but maybe withholding the truth works to Hillary's advantage... her lack of transparency is prolly a smart campaign move.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:19 AM
Jun 2016

Stryder

(450 posts)
88. So, yeah. I was just wondering...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

Where are all the progressives going to hang out after the purge.
I mean, I'm a pretty good tongue biter (as my post count suggests. 5ish year member, 5ish year lurker.),
but when the "Pivot" comes...
And I've gone ahead and had that
one more glass of wine....
Heh,heh,heh. Just noticed.My 420th post.
(See what I mean about that one more glass.)

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
10. And just why would we want the public to have the truth about Hillary's emails? We don't,
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

we are much better off with the general public, the ones that will really decide the election, to get all of their information from the Trump campaign. No doubt the Trump campaign will spin it to make Hillary look her best.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
84. bullshit
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/12/fbis-investigation-hillary-clintons-emails-recap/

Here’s what we know about the investigation so far.

The FBI is conducting an investigation. (It’s the Federal Bureau of Investigation, after all.)

Inspectors General from the State Department and the intelligence community referred the case to the Executive Branch in July 2015. The referral memo made clear that the Inspectors General were not suggesting that anyone involved in Clinton’s email setup committed a crime. Rather, they were following their statutory obligation to inform the intelligence community about any potential security breach — namely, that Clinton possibly held classified information on her email server located outside secure government facilities.

Clinton says she never knowingly sent or received classified information, a possibly criminal action.

In August, the FBI entered the case.

The FBI is determining if criminal activity occurred in connection with the email setup.

We talked to experts in federal criminal investigations, and they told us that the FBI doesn’t look into issues just for the heck of it. They assess cases to find out whether criminal activity occurred.

"We don’t do these because we’re curious," said Ellen Glasser, a retired FBI special agent who worked on cases regarding mishandled classified information. "There’s a potential that a criminal violation took place."



snip


White House Uses 'Criminal' To Describe Hillary Investigation




Just What Is An FBI Investigation? A Fact Sheet

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/just-what-fbi-investigation-fact-sheet




InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
92. No, the FBI is the Federal BUREAU of Investigation... so maybe it's keepin it's criminal investigation of Hillary's emails hidden in a Bureau somewhere...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:23 AM
Jun 2016

under wraps, never to be seen... it's possible! So, in reality, there is no criminal investigation going on. (Think about it!)

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
97. It will also let Trump define the crime and it's seriousness.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:04 AM
Jun 2016

Hillary will spend a lot of time responding to his allegations and without the facts will have to dance around the accusations and look very foolish and secretive.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
14. Yep, two more days until the Echo Chamber is in place. Facts be damned.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jun 2016

It's going to be awfully boring around here.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
113. Likewise
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

What hair I have left is blonde, and eyes are blue and I can't wait until the 20th. There are about 10-20 posters on here that do nothing but trash the candidate and do harm to OUR movement, whether you were a Sanders or a Clinton supporter.
I can't wait to see the crap they throw up here disappear tomorrow.

 

phazed0

(745 posts)
21. You may want to re-read the rules..
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jun 2016

Posting current news on DU is not going to be banned, no matter how much you want to thwart the 1st Amendment.

The Blue Flower

(5,439 posts)
29. Right, the hell with CNN if they're going to put facts out there
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

This is going to be highly filtered site. Very sad and disappointing. And not worth my time anymore, especially since she won't need my vote.

-none

(1,884 posts)
49. CNN will be designated a right-wing hate site and banned from DU.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jun 2016

How dare they state facts not flattering to Hillary.

-none

(1,884 posts)
86. Maybe I should have added the sarcasm thingy?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jun 2016

There was a thread a few days ago, with one side arguing what news sites would be and would not be allowed here after Monday. Guess which side? There were a few Left leaning sites mentioned as Right wing sites that would not allowed because they were not kind enough to Hillary.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
93. at least a sarcastic smilie, yeah, news sources cant be banned
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jun 2016

because we dems need to know what the public is reading. It is important to know

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
67. This is Jake Tapper reporting from CNN--a Mainstream US Media Site!
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jun 2016

Millions of viewers watch CNN. The Owners donate to Hillary Clinton

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
72. It is better to know how to learn than to know.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jun 2016

But how would you characterize intentional ignorance?

Red Knight

(704 posts)
75. Wow.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:55 PM
Jun 2016

I thought Democratic voters were smarter voters who didn't put blinders on and just overlook anything that might be an uncomfortable truth about the party or candidate. If this party or website is about nothing but blind obedience I'll gladly move along.

And before you think otherwise--I'm voting for Hillary in November. But she should be held accountable to voters--even her own voters. If the sort of blind allegiance you support becomes the standard practice of this party I will leave it.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
110. Historically, other countries have tried this type of Party Loyalty before Principle.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

It has never turned out well.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
6. Wait until the Wiki-leaks drop.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jun 2016

This Obama email block is about the TPP, they are afraid if people find out how Hillary really feels about this 'trade' agreement, she won't get elected.

This has been one of the most openly corrupt 'elections' I have ever seen or even read about. Bush supporters told us in 2000 to get over it and now Hillary supporters are telling us to get over it. What a bunch of crooks! Since they can't win legitimately, they both had to cheat. This feels like "Groundhog Day".

Z

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
9. It certainly won't affect her base.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jun 2016

I suspect they've all supported the trade agreements from day one.

And if it's between Trump and her, I doubt it will affect many if any votes from Sanders' supporters.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
15. It won't affect this Bernie supporter. My mind was made up about Hillary
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jun 2016

before Bernie even announced he was running, in fact my mind was made up about Hillary before she announced she was running. I have seen nothing to make me want to change my mind.

Because I'm getting too old to waste another vote by voting against somebody, I will from now on only vote for someone. I will just have to find the most liberal candidate running for President and that person will get my vote.

Remember the only way the best candidate wins is if you vote for them.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
18. Not just Sanders supporters. These Nafta Cafta Hafta trade bills are killing our jobs.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

There must also be a significant portion of Democrats supporting Hillary who oppose TPP. Democrats have historically opposed trade deals because they are at the expense of the American workers. Bill Clinton did a bait and switch on Nafta in 1992. He leaned toward opposition until after the election, when he declared for it, and then fought for its passage, with Al Gore, Blue Dog Democrats and all the Republicans at the helm of the Free Trade Parade. We have experienced the results, unfortunately, for 23 years.

It's a big deal if Hillary plans to do the same with TPP. She's unquestionably better than Trump, but the bar is probably the lowest in history. Trump has obvious mental problems. I hope Hillary keeps her word on being against TPP. I'll be voting on that, constitutional rights and the Supreme Court, and trying to save the world we live in from our own ignorance and bad habits. I guess you could say that Obama and Bernie will always have my heart, but Hillary will get my vote in their absence. I'm open for her to grow on me.

And may I recommend that everyone watch Michael Moore's latest movie, Where To Invade Next. Verry entertaining!

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
19. I still think they will vote for her anyway.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

It just boggles my mind that anyone who claims to "know" her, still thinks she might not be for the TPP.

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
33. Well
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jun 2016

She's not for the TPP as it is worded now.

But maybe after an extra comma is put in the document somewhere......

Then she'll be saying what a good deal this is good for us all.

Which means good for them


Not for anyone who works for a living and pays taxes

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
73. The us all refers to the big club.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jun 2016

And they have been in the big club so long they don't know anyone else exists...and if they do they don't care.
They have never worked for a living and never will, and neither will their children.

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
74. Absolutely
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

You are correct.

The more I listen to Thomas Frank on this the more I agree.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt's Four Freedoms should be for everyone

Not just a privileged few.

Stryder

(450 posts)
90. Had a weird,quick flash of a thought
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jun 2016

the other day when I heard Oprah endorsed Hills.
"Look under your seat. You get a TPP. And you get a TPP.
And you get..."
Surprise! (Not really.)

appalachiablue

(41,114 posts)
55. Very true about these duplicitous trade 'agreements' like NAFTA
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:21 PM
Jun 2016

which Obama the candidate said he would redesign. For each one of these deals it's been, 'it'll be better!' Ha!

"HAFTA", new one to me and perfect.

A few weeks ago we ordered MM's new film through Move On for a $27 donation which he plugged on Bill Maher.
But it's delayed because they've been swamped. Can't wait to see, might even check for it on Netfilx, etc.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
31. It may hurt her with some Independents
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jun 2016

We may well be seeing a realignment of the parties where the Democratic Party truly does become the corporate party.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
36. I think it's been the corporate party for some time
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

It's just that it's hard for people to leave a party they've belonged to their whole lives, just because it left them.

If there were a perfect party out there that I thought had a chance of competing with the two big ones and that was as progressive as I think this country should be right now, I'd probably switch...but that party is not out there.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
44. I suspect you're right.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

If strong support for the TPP came to light I suspect that would be even more true.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
111. This is especially ironic, because her fan base WILL be affected.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

Her 1% base will be affected too. They will get even RICHER.
Unfortunately, most of her supporters either Work for a Living, or have families that Work for a Living,
and THEY will be affected negatively.

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html


Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers
(Prototype for the TPP)

What happened to the 70,000 jobs that the Korea Free Trade deal was supposed to create? They never materialized. Instead, U.S. workers lost 40,000 jobs in the first year of the agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html


Meet the TPP: Crony capitalism on a global scale
https://represent.us/action/tpp/

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

"Obama Admin’s TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses From Big Banks"
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admin%E2%80%99s-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/


....but "studies" and sources of real information, and the fact Obama and Hillary want to HIDE this information from her supporters won't even enter the outer chambers of awareness for her fan base.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
120. this should be pinned, thank you
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

also google the TPP findings from affected countries, half of which are not happy with corporations dictating trade by using misleading language in regulations and rules.

If any of these deals go through, the monopolys will rule the worlds water, food and medical supplies

Response to berniesandero (Original post)

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. What a load of crap, Jake Tapper. Shame!
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jun 2016

Citing internet memes? "45 times." "Gold standard." All refuted over and over.

Shit. Tapper's story should be refuting the BS!

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
37. One last time before Monday...
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jun 2016
...This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.

That's key, because we know from experience, and of course research proves it, that respecting workers' rights leads to positive long-term economic outcomes, better jobs with higher wages and safer working conditions. And including everybody in that, those who have been previously left out of the formal economy will help build a strong middle class, not only here in Australia or in our country, but across Asia. And that will be good for us.

If we do this right, and that's what we're trying to do, then globalization, which is inevitable, can become a race to the top with rising standards of living and more broadly shared prosperity...

http://www.state.gov/secretary/20092013clinton/rm/2012/11/200565.htm
 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
95. you convienently leave out that future presidents cannot make changes without being sued
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:04 AM
Jun 2016

by offended nations, that foreign corporations can sue the US for any percieved shortcoming. Also that the US can sue any tiny country out of existance, take their land and resources, and laugh all the way to the bank. The language in the agreement allows the removal of regulations. It does not protect the environment or third world and poor countries, it does not lift all boats. It is a document that allows CORPORATIONS free rein in world monopolies. 3rd way Democrats, especially Clinton is all for that. Just like her election, the TPP was secret and decided before it went to congress, and all our corporate- bought congressmen pushed through the bill.

It is a job killer, environment killer, and leads to inequality world wide.

Globalization is not inevitable. It is a plot for power to a very few sick individuals. Country identity is fading swiftly, we will not have a country in ten years, we will be owned by mega corporations

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
107. Since TPP is just another issue...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jun 2016

to bash Hillary with - since Congress isn't even considering approving it - this is not a reasonable discussion.

Just more ridiculous Hillary Hate.

She opposes the finalized agreement. But let's keep calling her a liar! Cause it's Hillary.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
112. "Fast track" is Congressional authorization to negotiate the trade agreement.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

From wiki:

The fast track authority for brokering trade agreements is the authority of the President of the United States to negotiate international agreements that Congress can approve or deny but cannot amend or filibuster. Renamed the trade promotion authority (TPA) in 2002, fast track negotiating authority is an impermanent power granted by Congress to the President.

It doesn't guarantee Congress will even consider approving any agreement!

By the way - TPA - and the approval by Congress to negotiate TPP - was passed long after Hillary left as Secretary of State. There was no guarantee Congress even would pass it, you might recall!

What the rightwing organizations ( and 'the left,' apparently) wants with those CNN-issue emails is just more irrelevant crap to bash Hillary with!

It's nice to see 'the left' and 'the right' are so cozy together! Doesn't give you pause?
 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
119. It is scary that trade deals that do not serve the people and do serve corporations is rammed
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jun 2016

down our throats. This is only the first of many proposed, all with disregards to the aftereffects, Locked in trade is very very dangerous indeed

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
69. Why is Obama holding her E-Mails until After the Election, then?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

What is she hiding from us?

Do YOU support the TPP? Do you even know what it is?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
102. TPP -Trans-Pacific Partnership
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016
I know what it is.

From the repeated comments and criticisms I see at DU, I am certain people here put their faith in opinion rather than fact. Since it is a certainty that fact impacts opinion in no consequential way when that opinion is validated in an 'echo chamber' of manipulated delusion, there really is no point to 'discussion.'

Fact - here is a link to the actual finalized TPP agreement which is what will be considered for approval. Find where the "TPP crackpots" and their end-of-world rants are valid. Good luck! Or - more likely - repeat the same old uninformed crap.

"Do I even know what it is..."

https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
105. I get my TPP info from European sources, who have alot to lose
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

real breakdowns from speakers who show the legal defenses cross each other out in favor of those with power. Same old story, the bullies cow the weakers. I would never use a USA source, as they work for those who wrote it with Hillary at the head of the table. The following trade deals are more lids on the coffins. The TPP is her baby. She will not kill it. That is our duty

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
13. K&R
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

A corporate selection would divide this country further than it is already, if they think Americans are stupid enough to go along with this they are mistaken. This is why I am nervous, because these people do shock and awes when they are backed against the wall. Truly dangerous folks.

Response to berniesandero (Original post)

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
17. I'm surprised to see and hear Korporate Media discussing this matter so honestly
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

amazing.. just a momentary lapse korporate management I'm sure.

thanks for sharing.!

 

Phil1934

(49 posts)
20. violation of the law aside
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jun 2016

isn't this enough for her to lose her security clearance? Can you imagine briefings where the President is asked to leave the room?

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
26. Presidents automatically have security clearance. And briefings begin during
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jun 2016

the campaign season.

Aren't you concerned about Trump's upcoming intelligence briefings?

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
81. Presidents have automatic security clearances without going through
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jun 2016

the usual hurdles.

Which should be another reason to be terrified of a Trump candidacy.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
23. More old news re-packaged as new news. Justice Watch and the Rethugs
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

have blanketed the State Department with FOIA requests that can't be accomplished in a timely manner with the staff that they have. The Rethugs would rather complain about State's response than to expand their budget to pay for these costs.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
122. No wonder so many Obama voters don't trust Bernie.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

Some of his supporters sure love to attack Obama.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
123. on trade, he has lost my trust
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

Obama is a likeable 3rd wayer and he performed miracles. but this is wrong.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
38. Remember when the Bush administration
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jun 2016

pressured the NY Times to sit on domestic surveillance story until after the 2004 election?

Remember how outraged we were?

From private servers to unreleased transcripts, Madam SECRETary's ardent supporters have shown that openness and transparency are dependent upon partisanship.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
39. Some favor Obama did for the Hillster.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:06 PM
Jun 2016

Christ. He's been president for 7 years and still doesn't seem to understand blowback.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
41. You don't say. How could this be? Are you telling me Obama's in collusion with
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

the Hillary camp to ensure her nomination.

Oh shoot!

Damn it if I didn't see it a mile away. The Thirdway is protecting it's interests!

Of course the "New Democrat" will contort in anyway possible to help his monied, banker friendly, corporate friendly, middle class killing, job killing, outsourcing, election stealing group to move their next toady into the President of the United States position.

C'mon! Who can resist the ring of "Your new female President!"

It's not what she does but who she is!

Now everyone shut your pie holes and go home!

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
45. Anyone else notice
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jun 2016

on the second correspondence to Sirota, the date given for release was November 31, 2016?
Last I knew November only has 30 days.

30 days has September, April, June and November.

Uncle Joe

(58,338 posts)
46. "The average FOIA request from the State Dept. normally take 111 days this one will take 489 days
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jun 2016

this means you as a voter will not have information that you might want about Hillary Clinton and important substantive issues; jobs and trade until you have already decided to vote for her or Trump."

Pathetic.


Thanks for the thread, berniesandero.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
70. What is she Hiding? She says she's been "forthcoming" about Everything!
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jun 2016

Why is Obama shielding her until after the Election? Is there something there that might make voters feel badly about him along with Hillary? We know that his major start-up funder for his Presidential Campaign was Penny Pritzger....Heir to Hotel Fortune Family and his first pick as Secretary of Commerce but she couldn't get confirmed in his first term. She serves now as SOC and has been an Advocate for the TPP since the beginning conception and was WHY she supported Obama in the first place.

Someone is going to find those E-Mails and publish them. Maybe it's in Julian Assange's coming release of her E-Mails that he feels will be very revealing and damaging to her.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
114. Her pants are on fire (again).
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jun 2016

She can try to hide this, but that will only be effective for the Bubble People.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
51. CNN doesn't stop on the 20th. Neither will the truth.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jun 2016

So, which is it? Are you pro-Clinton, pro-TPP, or does your love of the former outweigh any actual sensibilities you have about the latter?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
52. Hillary can say whatever she wants - the TPP passage will be on Obama's watch
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

and then, will she or won't she throw him under the bus? No reason to, as 55% of registered democrats voted to excuse her in advance.

Really sad, and sadly predictable

UNLESS ... (trumpets blare) she gets her elected SD's to pledge to vote against it in the lame duck session. Maybe Elizabeth and Bernie can filibuster it, or does fast track by-pass the senate?

bucolic_frolic

(43,122 posts)
56. Obama is a HERO b/c what's sauce for the goose
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jun 2016

is sauce for the gander

McConnell is stonewalling Supreme Court hearings until 2017??

Obama is stonewalling release of State Department emails.

What is CNN so upset about? They don't get the tit for tat?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
57. It is outrageous. They are hiding Hillary. Hiding her from the American people.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jun 2016

The TPP, if passed, would be a major leap away from democracy and into corporatocracy. It is a direct assault on the American people.

They don't want us to know Hillary's history with it.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
82. "As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it." --Sec. Clinton on the TPP, 10/7/15
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jun 2016
Sec. Clinton did not say - "As of today, I am not in favor of the TPP."

Sec. Clinton did not say - "As of today, I am not in favor of it."

Sec. Clinton did say - "As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it."

What exactly did she learn about the TPP?

She may have learned that many groups oppose the TPP. In which case, her statement means that she is not in favor of the fact that many groups oppose the TPP.

One should keep in mind that parsing sentences very carefully is what former President Bill Clinton is known for - though the impeachment was ridiculous: "It depends upon what the meaning of 'is' is." That was his formulation.

Sec. Clinton is, at least, as smart as former President Clinton and may be equally inclined to parse uncomfortable or disadvantageous statements rather carefully.

Her actual thoughts on the TPP as evinced in her emails should be released prior to the Democratic convention, rather than after the election.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
116. I can tell you what she "learned" about the TPP.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

She "learned" (from her handlers and focus groups) that if she openly supported it during her campaign, it would be a "negative"would lose her support among Unions and the informed Working Class.
THAT is what she "learned".

This will expire once she is sworn in.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
94. Apparently...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:39 AM
Jun 2016

... PO has as much disdain for the FOIA requests as Hillary has. The rationale behind the whole do-it-yourself-email business was to avoid being held responsible for what she had been doing for 4 yrs while in the office of SOS. You can't tell me PO didn't know anything about HRC's e-mail controversy while it was occurring. I would think that this makes PO complicit.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
96. to some degree, but I doubt he knew she was soliciting donors to the Foundation for pay to play
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 07:12 AM
Jun 2016

He wants to think the best of people. As far as the TPP, he is just plain wrong, totally wrong and I cant fathom why he would back such a bad deal

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
98. Me neither, swhisper1
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

I would like to sit down with him and ask him to please explain his rationale for the TPP trade deals.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
101. Here is what Hillary should do
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016

She should hold a press confrence, and announce that she does not object to the emails being released. In fact, she should formally request that the state department release the emails.

People want transparency, this her her opportunity to give them some.

She needs to run an honest campaign, and if she won't release the emails, I'll just assume that she doesn't want us to see whats in them.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
118. Its a little too late for Hillary to run an "honest" campaign.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

Besides, it would be out-of-character for her to be openly honest about anything.

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