Strip & Flip Voter Suppression Exposed...

[thomhartmann]

[Vermudgeon]

1. This is THE ISSUE

Thank you for posting this. If someone can create a link to interviews with IT expert Steven Spoonamore (a lifelong Republican), it will help to demonstrate why he says a "group of high school kids from Brazil" can hack the US election system. They hacked the Scientologists, who have a LOT more safeguards to their information infrastructure than the US electoral system.

Also check out the Help America Vote Act, passed, ostensibly, as a response to Florida's 2000 fiasco, by Our Friends In Both Parties. Put $4 billion into Diebold's coffers. Proprietary software. "Made to be hacked," according to Spoonamore.

Electionfraud2016.wordpress.com

Richardcharnin.wordpress.com

Electionnightmares.com

Let's please wake the nation (and The Nation). Free, fair elections in the US, please!

[SusanCalvin]

17. HAVA was a scam. nt

[Fuddnik]

31. I had a long conversation with Chris Dodd, the author of HAVA one day.

He still believes it was the greatest invention since the wheel. Or peanut butter.

This was during his short-lived Presidential campaign. I came away thinking this guy is dumber than a box of hammers. How the fuck did he ever get elected to the Senate?

[L. Coyote]

22. Unreliable, anonymous sources don't help the situation. Who is behind that stuff?

We know Richard Charnin here as the twice banned TruthisAll. He is also the JFK assassination guy who laughably thinks he can sort precincts by size to prove election fraud. Let us know when you find something reliable.

[bkkyosemite]

27. denial

[billhicks76]

33. Bernie Only 291 Delegates Behind

Even with all the cheating evidenced by exit polls not matching up. They have a PROVEN max. 4% margin of error. Hillary barely won contests she was awarded larger leads.

[questionseverything]

47. charnin is not hiding behind a net handle like you are

Charnin's straightforward style fits his subject matter. For example, early on he makes a powerful point, one of many that appear throughout the book:

"Simple mathematics proves that the 1968, 1988, 2004 and 2008 elections were fraudulent. The returning voter mix required for the Final Exit Poll to match the recorded vote was not just implausible -- it was impossible. In each election, more voters from the prior election returned to vote than were alive. The fact that they were returning Nixon, Bush 1 and Bush 2 voters cannot just be a coincidence. The statistical anomaly has no rational explanation other than election fraud." (p.52)

When the official victory margin includes dead voters and excludes uncounted votes, it's more than reasonable to assume election fraud.

How does Charnin know this? He took the time to correlate pre-election polls, historical (Census) votes cast and recorded, voter mortality, returning voter turnout and national exit poll vote shares. Using this basic information, he calculates the True Vote for each presidential election since 1968. And he debunks the arguments designed to convince us that Bush actually won while the exit polls "behaved badly," including "reluctant Bush responder," "swing/red shift," and "false recall."

Uncounted and Phantom Votes

Uncounted and "phantom" voters are the basis for much of the analysis found in the book. Votes remain uncounted because they're "spoiled" or of a separate class, provisional and absentee votes. Returning "phantom" voters were necessary in order to force the Final National Exit Poll to match the recorded vote in the four elections referenced.

Nixon won by half a million recorded votes, but six million went uncounted. George H.W. Bush won by seven million and more than ten million were uncounted. Gore won by a half million with five million uncounted. And Kerry lost by three million with four million uncounted. Uncounted votes are typically from minority districts where the vote is consistently 70-90% for the Democratic candidate. Is that a coincidence?

Had the phantom voters not materialized and had all the votes been counted, history would have changed. In addition, the Clinton and Obama margins would have been significantly higher than recorded, perhaps forcing the hoped for change. More important, the will of the people would have been accurately measured in what we were led to believe was a fair election process.

Read more: http://electiondefensealliance.org/eda-blogs/michael_collins/300410/proving_election_fraud_richard_charnin_truthisall#ixzz48ekinLMY


http://electiondefensealliance.org/eda-blogs/michael_collins/300410/proving_election_fraud_richard_charnin_truthisall

read page 13.....

of his latest book

http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Deceit-Forcing-Pre-Election-Fraudulent/dp/1480077038#reader_1480077038

126 polls exceed the moe and in 123 cases the repubs benefit,,,the chances of this statistically are zero

[L. Coyote]

48. Charnin's methods are flawed, his own creation and not even real statistical methodology.

The fact that you don't know this belies the fact you don't understand statistics either.

I don't hide behind a net handle, I publish my election analysis and give it to Senators and Congress members, produce election integrity films, and refute fake statistics. I did graduate study in quantitative methods, so Charnin's ideas are laughable to me. But hey, he needs to make money somehow and most people know near nothing about statistics so they are easy prey. You, for example, didn't note that Charnin used polling with margin of error, assumes it is data, then produces a "result" which he claims has no margin of error.

That is magical thinking, or, as I like to call it, book selling.

Where were you when Richard Charnin was banned from DU? Both times?

[questionseverything]

51. screens change all the time

http://bradblog.com/?p=7875

2,699 Republican votes have now disappeared! There were reportedly 2,793 Republican voters on May 19th, but just 94 as of May 25th! Neat trick!

To top it all off, even after all of these mystery adjustments, the "total votes" cast in Monroe County as of May 21st, as shown above, is said to be 2,159 --- so, despite the radical change in results, the county's 0% undervote rate stayed intact. Every single voter who cast a vote in either the Republican or Democratic Primary election on May 18th voted in the Senate election, at least according to the Arkansas Sec. of State.

The "good" news? In the CD1 race, while the number of Republican voters has dropped by 229 (to 89 total) and the number of Democratic votes has increased by 60 (to 1,920 total), at least there are not now more Democratic votes than physically possible, as with the county's original numbers on May 19th.

So What The Hell Is Going On?

It's taken a week or so of going from one election official to another to to unwind the mess, and only some of the anomalies detailed above were finally explained.

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we know ohio in 2004 had a mirror site that changed the outcome...if your work is saying that votes were flipped before the mirror site was posted, that is possible too but evidently any flipping prior to the mirror site wasn't enough

[L. Coyote]

53. What, that old Brad blog from 2010 is supposed to do what, support bad statistics or a bogus book?

How does that change any of what i said. Is this unrelated anecdotal evidence?

In 2004, Ohio hired a tech firm to post their results online, which they did. Ohio counties report their votes to the Ohio SoS and they post those online. The counties know their vote totals, they later do official vote total results, all in accord with the law. Not one vote changed. No county reported that their vote results were altered in any way. All that server bullshit arises years later in a lawsuit being severely lost by none other that Wasserman himself, after the case was already thrown out once I think. It is a nothing story, a fairy tale for the wanna-believers, sort of like the kid who discovered a lost Maya city using the stars and Google earth from his bedroom, and then someone who knows better (me) says, "Hey, that's a corn field, not a lost city," but everyone wants to believe the false story anyway and it just keeps getting reposted without anyone employing one iota of critical reasoning.

Baltimore's election results decertified, state begins precinct-level review of irregularities

Aviel Rubin, a computer science professor at the Johns Hopkins University and expert in electronic voting, said there are a number of explanations for why there could be discrepancies between the number of check-ins and the number of ballots cast, including faulty equipment, errors by elections judges and mistakes by voters. Rubin has worked as an election judge in Maryland. .....

Foul play, he said, should only be considered if election officials rule out all other possibilities or have evidence of wrongdoing.

"Without knowing what happened, you can't rule out anything," he said. "You can't rule out that there was some foul play. That's not the first conclusion you should draw." .........

[questionseverything]

55. the bradblog i posted should let any thinking person know that what the state posts as results

are not necessarily correct, that electronic screens can and do change

impossible numbers, as reported in maryland are a huge flag of electronic manipulation

if an election was free and fair, the reporting site would not be run by the same guy that ran the repub servers for bush now would it?

but that is what happened in ohio, connell will be telling no tales tho


http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/the-mysterious-death-of-bushs

(not the source i would of picked but i don'y have all day to find a better one)



By any calculation, the Ohio 2004 election was a black day for American democracy. Lou Harris, known as the “father of modern political polling,” and a man not given to hyperbole, called it “as dirty an election as America has ever seen.” All the exit polls suggested Ohio would go to Kerry. But when the vote was counted George Bush had won by 132,685 votes, adding Ohio’s crucial 20 Electoral College votes to his tally. And putting him, not Kerry, into the White House. It has since been alleged that at several points on election night, the Ohio secretary of state’s official Web site, which was responsible for reporting the results, was being hosted by a server in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Ohio’s secretary of state in 2004 was a fiercely partisan Christian named Ken Blackwell. Blackwell had hired a company called GDC Limited to run the IT systems, which had subcontracted the job to Michael Connell’s company, GovTech. Connell had in turn sub-contracted SMARTech, an IT firm based in Chattanooga, to act, it was claimed, as a backup server.

“By looking at the URLs on the Web site, we discovered that there were three points on election night when SMARTech’s computers took over from the secretary of state,” says Arnebeck. “It is during that period that we believe votes were manipulated.”

In computer jargon it is known as a man-in-the-middle attack.

“At the time I didn’t know who SMARTech were,” says IT expert Stephen Spoonamore, opening a file on his computer showing the Internet architecture map of the 2004 Ohio election. He points to a red box in the bottom right-hand corner showing SMARTech’s server.

“Then I found out: They host Rove’s e-mails. They host the RNC’s Web site. They host George Bush’s Web site.” His voice rises in disbelief.

[L. Coyote]

56. Why repeat allegations in Arnebeck's lawsuit if they are not factual and the conclusions false.

Fact: Ohio contracted to have Smartech's server display the 2004 results online. They posted the results that the State of Ohio sent them. State of Ohio got the results from the county election offices. It was their designated task to take over when web traffic exceeded the State server's capacity, when all eyes turned to Ohio, not something nefarious.

Arnebeck says he "thinks" votes were manipulated. Of course he does, he is trying to win a big judgement from the styate of Ohio, who he sued. Arnebeck was once the attorney for the Ohio Republican Party, BTW! And Hartmann gives us NO disclosures about the lawsuit, past affiliation, or Arnebeck's monetary interest or conflicts of interest.

So, how do you explain that the Ohio county totals did not change? Why don't people see past the BS and ask the right question?

[questionseverything]

58. it is up to you to prove the county totals did not change

i have seen screen shots here on du that shows differently

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4266

right now in illinois activists are fighting the chicago board of elections because the 5% audit was falsified to match the reported output...i think it probably happens on a regular basis, this time there were witnesses


i am out of du time for today but will close with this...

if the average citizen can not oversee every part of an election, it is not legitimate

[questionseverything]

52. i clearly stated the moe was exceeded,moe=margin of error

126 polls exceed the moe and in 123 cases the repubs benefit,,,the chances of this statistically are zero

[L. Coyote]

54. Except, that is patently false.

Lots of people studied the exit polls, and TruthisAll was trying to do the same but used flawed methods. He was soundly rejected here on DU. He doesn't handle rejection well, to put it mildly.

Here is what the 2004 election really looked like (view image to see full sized graphic):



2004 Presidential Election Results, the Exit Polls vs. the Vote Counts Excel spreadsheet.

You are not going to accomplish much quoting an unreliable source. And, when did you invent your new rule in statistics about those odds being statistically zero?

[questionseverything]

57. your chart only deals with 2004, so you are comparing apples and oranges

i know richard has a temper, by now he would of called you a gate keeper

since you are telling me well documented things are not true i feel you are the unreliable source which is odd since you both conclude the vote was stolen

<shrugs>

the bottom line is, unless we the citizens can oversee every part of an election,it is not legitimate

[HeartoftheMidwest]

2. This:

"CounterPunch‘s analysis of each entry in the Anonymous database confirms that the primary target for registrations switched without the knowledge or consent of the intended voter overwhelmingly affected supporters of Bernie Sanders. In Arizona and New York, dozens upon dozens of cases, like Chloe’s and Daniel’s, include proof from citizens that they were or should have been registered Democrats. Having reviewed mountains of evidence, we do not see any possible non-nefarious reasons for more than a very very small handful of these cases."

[AzDar]

3. K & R

[Duval]

4. Thank you, thomhartmann!

We listen/watch every day. Thank you so much for bringing us vitally important news that our MSM fails to do.

[SusanCalvin]

5. I sure wish there was even a brief summary.

Last edited Fri May 13, 2016, 07:09 PM - Edit history (1)

This is one of my pet topics, but I seldom will spend time watching a video rather than reading.

[zentrum]

19. Me too.

People who post should know they get half the eyes they would b/c they don't summarize.

Who the hell has the time to watch a video?

Every other political site I frequent always summarizes and I engage much more with these videos.

[appalachiablue]

23. Here's some basic info. from the TH website, exactly the same as

posted on YouTube (below). If you press the Video's Play arrow, then click on the YouTube Icon at the lower right of the screen, to open up the video like you would for copying, there is often a brief description of the piece. Sometimes it's useful as a basic outline.
Hartmann also publishes some of his current themes in articles on the websites truthout, alternet and maybe more.
Since guest Wasserman has followed our tainted election system for years and has a new book coming out, there must be a good deal of info. from him on this seamy subject online.

Wasserman said vote machine tampering in the modern US goes back to 1988 at least, when Bush Sr. adjusted the NH Primary votes to defeat Dole who he was 7 points behind. Then son W in 2000 in Valdosta Co., FL and Kerry in Ohio in 2004. And many of our election computers are 10 years old, they said, and easily tampered with. One test hacker group was able to program/play the theme song of a Michigan Univ. sports team! and Packman! or something, to demonstrate how antiquated and easy to get into the voting machines are. In Ireland, the machines they used for one year had such a bad outcome that they were scrapped. Thom and Harvey agreed we should move to open, hand counted paper ballots and a voting day holiday!

(For a good while I was adding text when posting videos in V & M. But then my OPs would get stuck and not make it to the front page for some reason. Never learned why. That's when I noticed other members selections that made it to the front page often had no text at all, or just a couple lines plus the header and video. So I began doing the same, or only writing one line, and so far so good. Material from the OP poster can be added in the comments area if needed).

*From YouTube, Text of the Video:
Harvey Wasserman, Solartopia/forthcoming book, STRIP & FLIP SELECTION OF 2016: Five Jim Crows & Electronic Election Theft, joins Thom. Nearly 80% of the votes that will be cast in the 2016 general election will be cast on electronic voting machines - which can have their records altered by a governor or secretary of state with just a few keystrokes Election rigging is easier than you think. How we can stop it.

For more information on the stories we've covered visit our websites at thomhartmann.com - freespeech.org - and RT.com. You can also watch tonight's show on Hulu - at Hulu.com/THE BIG PICTURE and over at The Big Picture YouTube page. And - be sure to check us out on Facebook and Twitter!

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http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture

[SusanCalvin]

24. THANK YOU!

HAVA was a scam, and our current system is a sham.

[saidsimplesimon]

40. Nice play on words, Susan

[SusanCalvin]

45. Heh.

[bkkyosemite]

28. It's a short video with real issues!

[scscholar]

32. And, too many people don't have an Internet connection fast enough to watch YouTube

Especially here in Seattle. I have dialup, and the fastest connection any of my friends have is ISDN.

[L. Coyote]

50. Every web connection is fast enough to watch YouTubes, you just have to load them.

Rather inconvenient, but just open two tabs and let one load the video while you are doing things in the other.

[tblue37]

37. And it drives us deafies up the freaking wall! nt

[-none]

42. And to top that, you don't know how long the video is until you click on it.

I don't watch many videos for the same reason you don't. Plus the damn so-called music drowning out the verbiage. is with that?

[Thespian2]

6. K & R !!!

Thanks for reminding everyone, Thom...if stolen elections are news to us, we haven't paid attention since 2000...

[Stonepounder]

7. Oh, how I wish...

that we could have 'free, fair, and honest' elections in the U.S. But, it ain't gonna happen.

Free? State after state has passed laws making it more and more difficult (and costly) for the poor to vote - all in the name of 'preventing voter fraud' when, in reality the laws are designed to benefit the rich (Republicans) and to keep the poor (Democrats) from voting.

Fair? Just look at recent elections where the rich don't have to wait to vote because there are plenty of precincts and plenty of voting stations, while precincts are eliminated and it takes hours and hours of standing in line in pro districts.

Honest? LOL. When it looked like Al Gore was going to win Florida, suddenly new votes turned up from 'late precincts' to change the election results. When Gov Walker looked like he would be recalled, suddenly votes were 'found' to change the results and, coincidentally, just enough votes to prevent an automatic recount. But, since voting irregularities are investigated by the winners, the winners don't have any incentive to discover that they were actually the losers.

Voting machines? Don't make me laugh. It is funny, is it not, that your supermarket can produce a printed tape of everything you bought, how much you were charged for each item, how much your total was, and how you paid for it, but it is 'too expensive' to make a voting machine print a tape of how you voted. Oh, and the computer code that runs the voting machine is a 'trade secret', so no one can look at it. Even though it has been demonstrated time and again how easy it is to hack one of them.

Elections in the U.S. are a joke. A dog and pony show. The game is rigged. It is one of those things that amuse the rich and make the rest of us feel like we actually have a say in how we get ripped off. And nothing will change, since the vast majority of sheeple get their news from TV, and the TV airwaves are owned by huge multinationals who care only about keeping the status quo and transferring more and more wealth from the have-nots to the haves. They will be ecstatic when feudalism returns once more.

[L. Coyote]

8. Ohio 2004 punch card votes were switched before counting the ballots.

Ohio 2004 was manipulated to such a degree, the outcome was likely reversed, but not by changing county totals after the ballots were counted. Counties know their results, and then report them. Later they report their official totals. County election boards were responsible for their counts, and 3/4 of the voters voted on punch cards, not electronic voting. Counties with electronic voting shifted blue. Read more:

How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes

[flashsmith99]

11. Not quite right

You need to read John Conyers book "What Went Wrong in Ohio: The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election" which details a congressional investigation into the matter. Has a very thorough history of election fraud. You will be impressed by how election fraud has become an art form. In NJ, a judge determined several years ago that our election machines were not suitable for counting votes and ordered printers attached to the machines to provide a paper ballot. Still waiting. [link:https://www.eff.org/press/archives/2005/07/14|. Neither party wants the system changed, because they both abuse it. They used to try to be subtle about it, but after watching the last 2 republican primaries, they just don't seem to care anymore if people find out their vote is meaningless. Seems like the only votes that count are billionaire votes.

[L. Coyote]

21. Not quite right and very poorly informed about who you are trying to advise.

First off, I was involved in the investigation before the 2005 Ohio electors challenge and worked on production of two leading election integrity films. I don't need to read Conyers report again, plus Conyers got my report from my Senator. Our party wants changes that restore election integrity and ensures the vote for everyone. We are the party that is doing things to help people vote and we are the party fighting against Republican ID laws, voter suppression, gerrymandering, .... don't get me started. You are very poorly informed, or trolling me, if you don't know these things. Had you been here on DU in 2004 you would know this stuff.

So, are you trying to suppress voting with the negativity? Our votes are not meaningless, as you falsely claim, our votes decide who wins and who loses. The Republican voter suppression narrative is what you are saying.

[bkkyosemite]

29. Except they have not been deciding the winner or the loser. Rigged.

[L. Coyote]

35. That's voter suppression speak, plain and simple.

Not every election is rigged because some have been. Would you have us all stop breathing because once the atmosphere didn't have oxygen? Bush stole Florida and still needed the Supremes to finish the job because they were so far behind to begin with. And only by a combination of many dirty tricks including vote-switching paper ballots, Bush flipped the outcome of Ohio 2004 and thus the election. Are you saying Obama's victories were rigged? Is every winner a loser in fact? NO. Voting matters and making people think elections are all rigged and that voting is futile is worse than being a Borg, it's downright Republican.

[flashsmith99]

61. Obama's victories were rigged. He won by much bigger margins

The Republicans misjudged how vast the turnout for him was going to be. Close elections used to be rare. Exit polls used to be dead accurate. That is no longer the case. I suspect election fraud anytime a candidate wins by slightly more than the amount that would trigger an audit. It's unbelievably easy to install a chip in modern voting equipment way ahead of time, that is activated the day of the election and disabled after the election so the machine passes any testing protocol. The malware makes sure the chosen candidate wins by 1/2% or more if they fall short on votes. The poor guy at the Brad Blog has been screaming this stuff for years, onto deaf ears. You are not helping. I think you should take your head out of the sand and stop accusing people of being Republican. It's bad manners.

[FairWinds]

9. But it really hurts our "honest elections" cause when . .

people make allegations that are not true.

Like the 2004 turnout numbers that exceeded the numbers of registered
voters (by a lot!) in Ohio communities including Bay Village and Rocky River.

That one, pretty sure, was by Greg Palast.

[felix_numinous]

10. Kick!!!!

[leftofcool]

12. Thom "buy my gold" Hartman.

[earthshine]

13. Shoot the messenger, eh?

Obviously, you don't care about the substance of what he is saying.

In your view, as long as it benefits Hillary, it doesn't matter how illegal or unethical. Yes?

[zentrum]

20. Well said.

[bkkyosemite]

30. It's said over and over on here....same things...denial cuz they want to win at any cost

[ZimInSeattle]

15. election fraud is not just a GOP tool

The impacts of registrations denied or switched and of voters improperly purged from voting rolls, even when they followed stated laws and procedures, goes well beyond those 100,000+ uncounted ballots, however. Thousands more voters appear to have been denied ballots altogether or simply stayed home when online State records told them they would not be allowed to have their vote counted. The only available conclusion is that forces supporting the campaign to elect Hillary Clinton were willing to use any means necessary – legal, gray, or flatly illegal – to put down the Bernie Sanders insurgency that threatened to upend Clinton’s coronation as the presumptive Democratic nominee.

[link:http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/12/purged-hacked-switched-on-election-fraud-allegations-in-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders/|

[SusanCalvin]

25. Wouldn't be a bit surprised. nt

[L. Coyote]

36. On your first post, you accuse a Democratic candidate of electioon fraud. Enjoy your stay.

Maybe more context, like disagreeing with them would be good.

[jillan]

38. Welcome to DU. I live in Az. When I went to vote on our primary day I witnessed 2 people turned

away from voting after they signed in. One was a young guy, probably a first time voter - possibly he didn't have the right id, or wasn't registered correctly in time (closed primary). The other was a man in his 30s. He was told he was a registered republican. He had his voter registration card with him that showed he was a registered Dem. He was given a provisional ballot.... that was never counted because the only provisional ballots that were counted were the ones where everything matched up.

This whole primary season has been a sham. Now I hear there are registration probs in California.

It's unreal. And I agree with you.

[Android3.14]

39. Let me offer you a useful link

http://www.wikihow.com/Act-Ethically

[marmar]

43. Right on cue......

..... Seriously, is that all you've got?

[Paka]

14. K&R

[Time for change]

16. Thank you so much, Thom

I believe that election fraud is particularly rife in this Democratic primary, as I describe in detail in this post, though more has occurred since then:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511870937

[nikto]

18. Where is Black Lives Matter on this issue?

[L. Coyote]

49. Busy forming a new movement, Black Votes Matter,

I hope.

[nikto]

60. That would be the logical thing to do

Let's hope logic is at work here.

[bkkyosemite]

26. Yep.

"early 80% of the votes that will be cast in the 2016 general election will be cast on electronic voting machines - which can have their records altered by a governor or secretary of state with just a few keystrokes Election rigging is easier than you think. "

The Hillary supporters continually say this is nonsense but it is not. It is rigged against Bernie Sanders.

[colsohlibgal]

34. +1000

Our elections are a joke, just as big a joke is that the vast majority of our citizens cannot see that.

It is so very easy to flip and so many have been lately, with results wildly different than all polling.

This needs to be a much bigger issue.

[Overseas]

41. K&R. Yes please Hand Counted Paper Ballots!

[SusanCalvin]

46. Yep. nt

[Uncle Joe]

59. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, thomhartmann.