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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:49 PM

BUSTING the 'Man-in-the-Middle' of Ohio Vote Rigging 2004

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Response to Ellipsis (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

1. Wow worth the timespent watching. Stick with the entire video.

Just the part where he explains how Point of Service credit card machines work (extremely hackable at many points) is eye-opening.

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Response to canoeist52 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:43 PM

7. I agree. 50 minutes well-spent. Fascinating and scary...

...especially when he points out the possibility of China picking our next president, etc.

I hope this guy does bring down the bad guys, like he vowed... even if he is GOP.

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Response to Ellipsis (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:48 PM

2. So those of you that were so adamant about how the WI election wasnt stolen

what do you think after seeing this video? Do you really think that those will hundreds of millions to spend to get someone elected wouldnt resort to stealing?

Before we can solve this problem we have to first have to wake up those living in denial then have to wake up those living in pure apathy.

W/o an honest election process, WE HAVE NO DEMOCRACY.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:58 PM

4. I don't think Wisconsin was stolen.... out spent and they successfully changed the frame

and made it about unions and the recall itself.

Walker didn't get away "SCOTT FREE." however come September I hope John Doe comes back to bite him on the ass.

It sure would be nice to count paper ballots at the precinct by hand... makes it all go away.

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:18 PM

6. I am very disappointed with your comment.

The gentleman in the video said that it would be extremely easy for anyone that wanted to steal an election could. So do you think the Koch brothers didnt want this election bad enough to steal it? Republicans will steal an election even if they dont have to. The gentleman also said that exit polls were good indicators for a stolen election.

Why do you think the election wasnt stolen?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:47 PM

10. I'm sorry I let you down.

Conservative independents didn't think it hit the metrics for a recall. The media game was well played. He is a deceitful liar but what he did was not technically illegal and the legal system here in Wisconsin would not pursue the John Doe charges if they had the evidence 2 months within the election. If you are not from Milwaukee or Madison the awareness of just who Walker is is not that high. Politics including Barret's campaign paint Madison as the city in the "liberal bubble" even Barrett used that mentality in the original primary.

Many people were under the assumption that outsiders were orchestrating the recall ... that we were being invaded. They rallied around the rightfully elected Governor. Even though he's a dick.... He's our dick. It sickens me still. The only thing that offsets it a bit is lack of fondness for Barret's machine having some incite on some of the players.


Nichols said it best.

Framed: How Redefining Direct Democracy as Anti-Democratic Won Wisconsin

John Nichols on June 12, 2012 - 8:06 AM ET

Now that the dust has settled following last Tuesday’s Wisconsin recall election, the most remarkable line of spin to have gained traction is the notion that Scott Walker won in large part because Wisconsinites did not like direct democracy.

Pundits and polls seized on exit poll numbers that suggested that voters were fundamentally opposed to recall elections. Only 27 percent of voters who participated in the June 5 election between Walker, the state’s controversial anti-labor governor, and Democratic challenger Tom Barrett, told exit pollsters that they thought recall elections were appropriate for any reason. Sixty percent said recall elections should only be held in cases of official misconduct, while 10 percent said recall elections should never be held.

So it sounds like the big mistake was forcing Wisconsinites to vote in a type of election that offended their sense of sense of political propriety and fairness.

That’s an easy spin, especially for political insiders on both sides of the partisan aisle who have no taste for direct democracy.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/168335/framed-how-redefining-direct-democracy-anti-democratic-won-wisconsin

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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:06 PM

11. I dont think the Repubs were willing to take the chance.

Stealing elections is easy esp if you have lots of money. Republicans have lots of money and no principles. I believe they would steal an election even if they might not have to. What a great trial for November.

But if everyone is going to be in denial, all is lost. They stole elections in 2000 and 2004. Why wouldnt they in 2012?

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Response to Ellipsis (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:58 PM

3. Now that was powerful testimony

We should all send it to congress....but I am sure they already know and will continue to ignore it.

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Response to Ellipsis (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:05 PM

5. Praise the Lord...a truth teller. God bless you, Spoon and God, please, bless America

Thank you so much for not being intimidated by greedy thugs.

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Response to Ellipsis (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:48 PM

8. Un-F'ing believable! Go to 13:00 to get to the meat but it is all good. K&R

Almost all of our more important elections are rigged! You have to see!

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Response to Ellipsis (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:58 PM

9. The question is, when do we, the people, demand paper ballots?

He makes such a strong, important point when he says computers represent too much technology for a vote.

It should be against the law to use computers in the local, state, and national voting process.

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