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Thu May 17, 2012, 03:57 PM

The Ted talk that is tooo politically incorrect....

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Reply The Ted talk that is tooo politically incorrect.... (Original post)
MindMover May 2012 OP
rocktivity May 2012 #1
99th_Monkey May 2012 #7
rocktivity May 2012 #10
FarLeftFist May 2012 #9
rocktivity May 2012 #11
kenfrequed May 2012 #40
WhoIsNumberNone May 2012 #54
whathehell May 2012 #2
progressoid May 2012 #3
pacalo May 2012 #4
Stuart G May 2012 #5
99th_Monkey May 2012 #6
MissMarple May 2012 #8
Warpy May 2012 #12
HopeHoops May 2012 #13
DeSwiss May 2012 #14
OrwellwasRight May 2012 #15
Bonhomme Richard May 2012 #16
benld74 May 2012 #18
Bonhomme Richard May 2012 #19
Crunchy Frog May 2012 #51
MindMover May 2012 #58
benld74 May 2012 #17
U of M Dem May 2012 #20
MindMover May 2012 #22
U of M Dem May 2012 #45
MindMover May 2012 #56
U of M Dem May 2012 #59
MindMover May 2012 #62
U of M Dem May 2012 #64
JDPriestly May 2012 #32
Crunchy Frog May 2012 #52
Sedona May 2012 #21
MindMover May 2012 #23
DeSwiss May 2012 #24
Hissyspit May 2012 #25
Sedona May 2012 #26
Hissyspit May 2012 #31
MindMover May 2012 #35
immoderate May 2012 #43
Hissyspit May 2012 #47
Ironblood May 2012 #27
ornotna May 2012 #28
JDPriestly May 2012 #33
Pachamama May 2012 #29
gateley May 2012 #48
Pachamama May 2012 #50
RufusTFirefly May 2012 #30
patrice May 2012 #34
bananas May 2012 #36
ck4829 May 2012 #37
bighughdiehl May 2012 #38
KurtNYC May 2012 #39
byronius May 2012 #41
ccavagnolo May 2012 #42
gateley May 2012 #49
ccavagnolo May 2012 #60
gateley May 2012 #61
MindMover May 2012 #57
jtuck004 May 2012 #44
valerief May 2012 #46
deutsey May 2012 #53
Xedniw May 2012 #55
thecentristword May 2012 #63

Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:00 PM

1. Where did you find it? Did TED cave?

Never mind -- let's take it viral... and let TED know that they've made a complete mockery about what they stand for!

More


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #1)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:37 PM

7. +1000 nt

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #1)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:44 PM

9. Ye TED caved, saying it was TOO political for an election year.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #9)

Thu May 17, 2012, 05:00 PM

11. That goes without saying, LOL!

I meant, did TED cave about posting it on their Web site.

I enjoyed checking out TED even if I didn't agree with everything that was said. Now that they've made a complete mockery of what they're supposed to stand for, I feel like an old friend has died. Income inequality a non-partisan, minimally political issue? Come on, man!


rocktivity

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #9)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:14 AM

40. Right...

Because they wouldn't want to offend the massive number of loyal conservatives that watch a regular internet broadcast about society, technology, science, biology, culture, and just about everything else that conservatives like so much... oh wait.


Seriously, this is the sort of thing we MUST have during an election year. Rational discussions about taxation and policy that deal with the issues and the fiscal reality minus the absurd posturing. If it happens to favor one side or another politically then let the chips fall where they may.


This ostriching of an issue is the very reason that conservatives have now gotten to the point where they "have their own facts" in the first place.

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #1)

Sat May 19, 2012, 06:03 PM

54. I found it on Addicting Info

I was just checking to see if anyone else had posted it;

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/18/ted-talk/

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:08 PM

2. Great stuff...Should be required viewing. n/t

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:16 PM

3. Thanks for the video!!

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:16 PM

4. This is wonderful.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:27 PM

5. Please watch this one, bookmark it, it is terrific. also..

Every right wing fool needs to sit through this, then talk about if this is the truth..

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:36 PM

6. This SO needs to GO VIRAL

Let's all do our part to make sure that happens!!!

This guy is awesome, very honorable and courageous.
He has the ability to explain very complex things in simple
terms that most anyone w/ an IQ over 50 can easily grasp.

No fucking wonder TED is censoring it. Ironic how THIS
video is supposedly what TED is all about, yet they are
freaking out that it's' too damn spot-on and unmasks
the billionaire BS so clearly, it must be scary to the 1%.

Who else is in? Let's post this everywhere imaginable.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 04:40 PM

8. Ouch! Quite regrettable.

Big mistake. Knowing that tax policy and what drives the economy are such hot button issues does put TED's decision in some perspective. But most things are political. Some people were irate about Jonathan Haidt, but he is on TED. ...and I like what he says, too. And Haidt may actually cast some light on why TED made this decision. It was a gut reaction, understandable, yet still lamentable. We have miles to go...

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 05:08 PM

12. He must've been reading Economy here on DU

because a lot of us have said all that stuff for years.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 05:42 PM

13. It's hard to think of a better way to explain the situation. Good job, man.

 

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 06:37 PM

14. The truth will out. - K&R n/t

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 06:42 PM

15. This f*cking rocks!!!!!!

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 07:30 PM

16. I don't know why I am surprised at the stupidity of so many....

of the comments.
I find it mind boggling.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #16)

Thu May 17, 2012, 07:39 PM

18. OK rich, I'll bite WHAT stupidity in the comments are u suprized at?

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Response to benld74 (Reply #18)

Thu May 17, 2012, 07:47 PM

19. The ones attacking the speaker and.....

defending the 1%. Everything from "he's a bad speaker" to he should read Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, or Fredrich Hayek.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #19)

Sat May 19, 2012, 01:20 AM

51. How about the ones that accuse him of being a Marxist

who wants to take everybody's money and give it all to the government so they can run a centrally planned economy?

Teabagging causes brain rot.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #51)

Sun May 20, 2012, 09:02 PM

58. Not when the teabagging is done properly.....

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 07:36 PM

17. AMEN to that Nick! Had to Google you but THIS consumer believes,,,,

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:00 PM

20. I don't know about politically incorrectness...

seemed fine by me.

aaaand...

TEDChris' response - http://tedchris.posterous.com/131417405

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Response to MindMover (Reply #22)

Fri May 18, 2012, 04:20 PM

45. Not at all,

you have this quite backwards my friend.

"Just be honest and say you did not like the guy and his message......"

Honestly - he speaks a message of egalitarianism and social justice; for that I enjoyed the talk. I see where my message could have led you to think otherwise. What I should have stated is that I do not care for political correctness; I prefer brutal honesty and getting to the point - exactly why Mr. Hanauer's talk was 'fine by me.'

Also, the TEDChris response does not reflect my sentiments. I am in no way an expert on TED or its inner workings. I merely thought it would be interesting to share as it related to the OP.

Finally... please, PLEASE... don't assume you know me.

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Response to U of M Dem (Reply #45)

Sun May 20, 2012, 08:30 PM

56. So you don't mean what you say..., sounds like a politician.....

"I don't know about politically incorrectness...seemed fine by me"

And, I have not assumed anything other than you should take another hit off that UofM bong.....

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Response to MindMover (Reply #56)

Mon May 21, 2012, 06:19 AM

59. Yikes,

I think you may be reading into things a bit too much. Straw man and ad hominem attacks? Tsk tsk tks. Not to mention - again - attacking a person you don't know is petty.

Next time you go picking a fight - don't.

Your Dem friend from U of M.

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Response to U of M Dem (Reply #59)

Mon May 21, 2012, 05:43 PM

62. I can only read what you say....blogging does not allow for nuance in speech and tone....

One must be clear in there words.....as I have tried to be......honest and to the point....

If you have clarification of your statements....by all means, say them....

As to attacking you.... you are trying to make the argument personal (argumentum ad hominem) and discredit my character.... which is more passive aggressive tactics.....

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Response to MindMover (Reply #62)

Tue May 22, 2012, 03:15 AM

64. That is a mighty fine display of

1. Clarity - "One must be clear in there words?"

There words; where words? Could you clarify?
(This is - just to be clear)

2. Ignorance - "If you have clarifications to your statement... by all means, say them..."

Did you read Reply #22?
"... he speaks a message of egalitarianism and social justice; for that I enjoyed the talk...
What I should have stated is that I do not care for political correctness; I prefer brutal honesty and getting to the point - exactly why Mr. Hanauer's talk was 'fine by me.'"

Summary: I like this guy, he speaks from a unique viewpoint, is honest and shares a message I support.
(If you really desire clarity, perhaps blogging isn't for you?)

3. Mimicry - (the best form of flattery) - "you are trying to make the argument personal and discredit my character..."

No, that was you when you insinuated that I am a regular drug user. "I have not assumed anything other than you should take another hit off that UofM bong....."

If you are accusing me of being a pot calling the kettle black, that would be absurd considering the above quote and the deficit of ad hominem arguments used against you.

4. A slippery slope.

Continuing discussion with you on this topic is needless, I have made my position clear - twice. Do carry on if the position itself (see 2 above) bothers you, otherwise, don't.

U of M Dem

P.S. No one is sacrosanct; no one can presume preeminence for being the OP of a blog.

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Response to U of M Dem (Reply #20)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:42 AM

32. TED's "explanation" is ridiculous.

For the record, pretty much everyone at TED, including me, worries a great deal about the issue of rising inequality. We've carried talks on it in the past, like this one from Richard Wilkinson. We'd carry more in the future if someone can find a way of framing the issue that is convincing and avoids being needlessly partisan in tone.

http://tedchris.posterous.com/131417405

Actually, preposterous.

TEDCHRIS -- Poverty, joblessness, the decline of the middle class and the resulting economic stagnation are partisan issues. And they happen to be the most important issues we face.

Everything else, education, the environment, healthcare, culture, religion, hope itself stagnate when our economy stagnates.

So, the issue may seem partisan to certain parties at TED, but it is what we need to talk about as a nation.

If TED wants to remain relevant, it needs to headline this talk. Let someone present a rebuttal in equal length and in an equivalent presentation. Let's really talk about what makes our economy flow and what has made it ebb.

I think this guy has got it right.

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Response to U of M Dem (Reply #20)

Sat May 19, 2012, 01:33 AM

52. Poor, poor, poor, victimized TED.

That anyone might think that what they choose to post might in any way be influenced by the wishes of their corporate sponsors is just, just...

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:17 PM

21. OK....What's a TED?

Someome help me out here

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Response to Sedona (Reply #21)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:31 PM

23. ...............

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Response to Sedona (Reply #21)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:34 PM

25. Technology Entertainment Design symposium.

Lots of great speakers and cutting-edge presentations.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #25)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:42 PM

26. Wow, thanks,

more time in the intertubes for me this weekend.

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Response to Sedona (Reply #26)

Thu May 17, 2012, 10:56 PM

31. Here's one of my favorites I use in class often:

Irony Alert: After watching the whole thing to the end, check out the commercial at the end!

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #31)

Fri May 18, 2012, 02:53 AM

35. Technology.....soon the inventor of mankind.....

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #31)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:46 PM

43. That's an excellent video, thanks.

I taught mostly middle school many years. They were learning about evolution, but I think few of them were ready to conceptualize like Blackmore does. OTOH, I doubt most adults have a coherent view of evolution. Once you "get it," its universality is overwhelming.

On a totally irrelevant note, I will contribute the video (going back, I only had audio) that I would always show on the first day of class to my 7, 8, 9th graders. It was a blessing when Monty Python became available to model their behavior.



Don't mean to hijack but you brought up a strong link. For the rest of the year I could eliminate much obstinacy by saying, "Are you here for an argument?" And then the kids would say it for me. I guess that's a meme.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #43)

Fri May 18, 2012, 10:04 PM

47. I should start using that.

Everything is change and everything is an argument.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 09:49 PM

27. bullcrap

 

Find out what really happened before publishing this kind of mindless drivel.

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Response to Ironblood (Reply #27)

Thu May 17, 2012, 10:19 PM

28. What really happened?

And what does that have to do with this presentation?

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Response to Ironblood (Reply #27)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:46 AM

33. What really happened was that TED puts out a lot of trivial talks among some good

ones and is afraid to put out a talk that speaks truth to power.

My opinion of TED has gone down several hundred notches.

This was a good talk, a great talk, and I've listened to my share of far less interesting TED talks.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 10:37 PM

29. Watching a great interview w/ Hannauer on The Last Word w/ Lawrence O'Donnell....

.....very interesting and his points are really spot on....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #29)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:17 PM

48. He was on with Lawrence? I think he was on with Ed, too.

Boy, TED sure brought a lot of attention to something they didn't want to air!

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Response to gateley (Reply #48)

Sat May 19, 2012, 12:13 AM

50. Yes, the TED talk from Hanauer is getting LOTS of attn!!

They really failed to keeping the lid in the dirty little secret the 1% doesn't want people to figure out....

My favorite part of his speech was about the name "Job Creator" with emphasis on the word "creator" as a deification as in a reminder of who the "Gods" are....

Interesting times.....

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2012, 10:56 PM

30. K & R. Normally a major TED fan. But I think their decision to censor Hanauer is a MAJOR FAIL. n/t

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:56 AM

34. One inescapable conclusion: There must be a bunch of Republicans who are BAD BUSINESS-PEOPLE.nt

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 04:36 AM

36. kr nt

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 06:10 AM

37. K&R

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:16 AM

38. What's going on here?

Did TED not think this would eventually get out there? Was holding back this talk
a publicity stunt? Will the economic royalists eat their own....
should this guy stay away from small private planes and frequently
check his brakes?

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:48 AM

39. TED won't air this but NBC has silver spoon millionaire hiring apprentices every week

AND Trump ran for President.

I don't see NBC shelving Pat Buchanon and Trump in an election year, or any other year.

But TED can't handle these 5 minutes of truth?

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:07 PM

41. Goddamned Beautiful.

Great post.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 12:28 PM

42. censorship?

i dunno people of the DU. Like he says in his response to censorship claims, they pick through a great deal of videos, this one didn't make the cut. its alright, he says great things, nothing new, nothing that is going to change the thoughts of people who ALREADY don't agree with his statements. there seems to be a lot of buying into the idea that TED was trying to closet this overly political and groundbreaking video. pretty silly. none the less a nice video.

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Response to ccavagnolo (Reply #42)

Fri May 18, 2012, 11:19 PM

49. I think he said it was too political and didn't fit their bipartisan guidelines. nt

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Response to gateley (Reply #49)

Mon May 21, 2012, 11:47 AM

60. i havent seen a quote from Ted about this

I have only read that Nick Hanauer said this was the reason Ted didnt post it.

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Response to ccavagnolo (Reply #60)

Mon May 21, 2012, 04:28 PM

61. I think what I saw was a memo or something from TED to Hanauer. nt

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Response to ccavagnolo (Reply #42)

Sun May 20, 2012, 08:49 PM

57. When the cost to attend a TED conference is a thousand dollars....or more

and 84% of America is living paycheck to paycheck, I think you can assume that someone who pays thousands of dollars to attend a TEDie is in the minority and extrapolating out from that fact....I would make an assumption that most of the people attending are wealthy white folks, in other words, 1%ers that would not like to hear about what Nick had to say.....therefore, cut that video decision was easy and yet wonderful for the 99ers.....

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2012, 09:13 PM

46. He's telling us what we already know. Too America can't hear this message. nt

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Sat May 19, 2012, 07:13 AM

53. K&R

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Sun May 20, 2012, 08:01 PM

55. Just sent it to 20 contacts. Cenk also had something to say about this

 

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Mon May 21, 2012, 07:40 PM

63. If Economics was simple - maybe some of the Republican's stupid ideas would have worked :-)

Anybody who has taken Introduction to Economics at University will recognize what Nick is saying. It is covered early in any course. Amazing it has taked SO long for someone just to say this 'low taxes for the rich creates jobs' is complete BS.

Now, if your favorite entertainer if Larry the Cable Guy, you might not be able to get past the irresistible logic two-dimensional proposition - but hopefully the rest of the people will give this a bit of thought.


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