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Tue May 15, 2012, 09:54 AM

Pastor Beats Up Own Gay Son in Church


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Reply Pastor Beats Up Own Gay Son in Church (Original post)
Ian David May 2012 OP
bupkus May 2012 #1
Lawlbringer May 2012 #9
RitchieRich May 2012 #11
Lawlbringer May 2012 #15
RitchieRich May 2012 #26
Lawlbringer May 2012 #29
Vanje May 2012 #2
RKP5637 May 2012 #3
WestWisconsinDem May 2012 #4
RitchieRich May 2012 #12
Magoo48 May 2012 #14
RitchieRich May 2012 #27
KurtNYC May 2012 #5
southernyankeebelle May 2012 #6
RKP5637 May 2012 #17
southernyankeebelle May 2012 #20
RKP5637 May 2012 #24
southernyankeebelle May 2012 #28
RKP5637 May 2012 #30
southernyankeebelle May 2012 #33
RKP5637 May 2012 #34
southernyankeebelle May 2012 #35
RKP5637 May 2012 #36
southernyankeebelle May 2012 #37
struggle4progress May 2012 #7
struggle4progress May 2012 #8
struggle4progress May 2012 #22
struggle4progress May 2012 #23
struggle4progress May 2012 #16
struggle4progress May 2012 #18
struggle4progress May 2012 #19
struggle4progress May 2012 #21
dash_bannon May 2012 #10
RitchieRich May 2012 #13
RKP5637 May 2012 #25
RitchieRich May 2012 #31
RitchieRich May 2012 #32

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Response to bupkus (Reply #1)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:12 AM

9. +10000000

A political message corrupting the true message of a religion. This guy is, quite literally, a terrorist. He's just as bad as Osama.

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Response to Lawlbringer (Reply #9)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:40 AM

11. the universe according to Dante's Inferno...

reserves the deepest, worst level of hell for those who knowingly pervert "the word."

The priest is clearly a small minded bigot, an asshat, someone who should never be in a room alone with kids. However, he is also just as clearly not a terrorist, not a murderer. Words have a specific meaning, when used incorrectly can water down the impact of what actually happened and provide ammunition for those who would support him. Not saying I disagree with the spirit of your statement though, just (hopefully without sounding condescending) helping you to make a more concise / effective statement next time.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #11)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:23 PM

15. Actually, I appreciate this lol

The best approach to correcting me that I've seen here. So, thank you.

But I will disagree on part of it. A terrorist isn't necessarily a murderer (although we don't know just how far this guy would go) but he does instill fear.

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Response to Lawlbringer (Reply #15)

Tue May 15, 2012, 02:05 PM

26. you have a great point.

I would perhaps prefer to refer to him though by employing the term fearmongering skidmark of malodorous hypocritical origin.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #26)

Tue May 15, 2012, 02:39 PM

29. <3

Awesome

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:08 AM

2. Hate crime

nt

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:20 AM

3. Yep, good old christian love. I left all religion decades and

decades ago after i realized what many were about, I've never looked back or missed one bit of it ... true, there are many good religious people, but there are also many that are IMO quite evil.

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:35 AM

4. this kind of thing is why I no longer consider myself Christian

 

... I believe in God, and in principle I believe much of what is in the Christian Bible. I try to live by Christian principles, not because a pastor tells me to, but because I believe that the true Jesus set an excellent example. But I am no Christian... not when brutes like this are.

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Response to WestWisconsinDem (Reply #4)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:54 AM

12. my prayers go to God, not the Pope.

Its sad how many of my friends take pride in being atheist, openly mocking my smallest mentioning of faith. Interesting how, if someone were to mention to me say, believing in Santa- I wouldn't feel the need to blow up, freak out, mock and preach. I wouldn't feel threatened, feel hatred toward Santa or their views. I know its different, as Santa has never put anyone to the rack, but everyone knows I believe in God, not the church. I feel an affinity toward Jesus, not sure why, when I disregard so much else (the flood, the time-line) but it just feels right. I never allow the mud throwing to tarnish my light, and I see it as my duty to humbly be Gods advocate when the opportunity arises.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #12)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:11 PM

14. God doesn't have a religion, does She?

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #14)

Tue May 15, 2012, 02:12 PM

27. the case of Faith v religion

I would define God as a non-sexed entity who is non-colored, (isn't old, white, bearded.... hmmm, like Santa). Philosophy 101 (from memory) would define God as nessecarily being all three qualities:
Omnipresent: being everywhere, being in all time, all at once
Omipotent: capable of doing anything, knowing of all
Omnibenevolent: capable of doing only good

I would define faith as an acknowledgement of the above, hopefully also containing actions.

I would define religion as a bunch of guys deciding how to impose their will on everyone else while taking their money.

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:41 AM

5. this is a terrible incident

but, as with many YouTube videos, the title is untrue in its specifics. They were beaten up in the parking lot and in their car and the pastor / father had his brother and others commit the assaults. And the local police were involved in the cover-up.

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:51 AM

6. I hate to see what would of happened if it were some stranger. They'd be dead.

 

This pastor should be kicked of the church.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #6)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:26 PM

17. Probably treated like Matthew Shepard. I won't name states, but I had

occasion to drive through a number of what are considered intolerant states recently. There were so many flags and so many teabagger looking types I was pleased our car did not break down. And then about every mile or so was a god sign advertising along the edge of the road. Some of the crosses were sooo big it was a distraction driving.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #17)

Tue May 15, 2012, 01:04 PM

20. Your right. That is who I was thinking about. That sweet young child. Did you read the book

 

by Mrs Shepard? Tear jerker for sure. I couldn't finish it.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #20)

Tue May 15, 2012, 01:56 PM

24. No, I didn't, I would not have been able to finish it either. The senseless

hatred in this country is appalling. It seems, anymore, the US, groups/fractions in the US, hate everything. I'm always amazed at how religion is the focus of sooo much hatred, but it's sure been that way since biblical times and before. What I saw mostly in a recent road trip were guns, flags and crosses, and road signs proclaiming RW fundie religion. It was depressing.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #24)

Tue May 15, 2012, 02:29 PM

28. It is scary and depressing. Honestly I don't see any hope yet.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #28)

Tue May 15, 2012, 03:04 PM

30. Me neither, and I have a real fear it's only going to get worse. It's

like a sickness has spread across the country. So many just seem to want to repress other people. The hatred is incredible. I literally would've been afraid to get out of the car, some areas just looked so RW and fundie.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #30)

Tue May 15, 2012, 04:21 PM

33. When I am out if a person gives me eye contact I nod my head and smile and say hello how are you.

 

Then keep walking.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #33)

Tue May 15, 2012, 04:59 PM

34. I do similar. I get looks from teabagger types. Maybe because my

hair is too well kept, and I don't have the teabagger look. Anyway, sometimes they stare right at me, so I just say hello ... and I get a stupid look back. I just keep walking.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #34)

Tue May 15, 2012, 05:44 PM

35. Well that is all you can do. Hello and keep on walking. I do the same. I always get stares

 

because am heavy and my husband is skinny. But not bad looking couple. But I think it's because we live in rural area and we stick out. But I won't change who I am.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #35)

Tue May 15, 2012, 06:02 PM

36. Good for you, not to change!!! Some people will try to run your life for

you. Yeah, it's probably more a rural thing. In the city they would go batty, there are so many different types of people.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #36)

Tue May 15, 2012, 07:17 PM

37. Your right. I have lived many different places. But I think if you put a smile on your face

 

and say hello usually people will return it. Of course times people may look at you but don't really see you because their minds are someplace else. I know I have done that. Your being absent minded. Not being rude really. I try to pay attention.

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:55 AM

7. This story is from late September 2011:

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Assault Complaints Filed after Incident at Church
By dwilkerson@wbbjtv.com
By Daniel Wilkerson
Story Created: Sep 28, 2011 at 6:57 PM CDT
Story Updated: Sep 28, 2011 at 8:29 PM CDT
... Friday, the couple filed assault charges against Deacons Billy Sims and Eugene McCoy. Pittman pressed additional charges against his father and Deacon Patrick Flatt ... All parties are due in court October 4.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Assault-Complaints-Filed-after-Incident-at-Church-130746713.html

Since the whole dispute should have been in court months and months ago, by now there ought to be available sources better than the old news report

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #7)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:01 AM

8. Ah! Here's a later news report!

Gibson County Pastor Charged With Stealing
By Emily Cassulo
By ecassulo@wbbjtv.com
Story Created: Oct 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM CDT
Story Updated: Oct 7, 2011 at 7:48 PM CDT
... According to Trenton police, they recently arrested Pastor Jerry Pittman, of Fruitland's Grace Fellowship Church, on charges of stealing from a local business ... Police arrested the 52-year-old on September 21, after his estranged wife told them she had heard from co-workers that he had been stealing from her business ... This actually is not the first time Pittman has been arrested. Police said he was arrested back in 2006 for a simple assault charge ...

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Gibson-County-Pastor-Charged-With-Stealing-131295989.html

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #8)

Tue May 15, 2012, 01:48 PM

22. ... A minister of a church where a recent ruckus resulted in an array of charges and counter charges

of assault following an altercation on the church grounds, when his son and his son's boyfriend tried to attend church services, now faces a charge of theft. The new allegations that have surfaced against Jerry Pittman, pastor of Grace Fellowship Church in Fruitland, charge him with theft over $1,000. In an arrest warrant filed in Trenton Municipal Court, Pittman's wife, Diana Pittman, states that her employees told her that Pittman went into her business, Trenton Truck Terminal Warehouse where he once was employed, and took copper. She also stated in the warrant that other witnesses have seen Pittman on several occasions going and coming from the business. All parties involved in the ruckus were arraigned Tuesday, October 4, and preliminary hearing is set for November 22, 1 p.m. in Gibson County General Sessions Court in Trenton. Pittman will be formally charged for theft during in Trenton Municipal Court October 28 ...
Humboldt Chronicle
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2011
VOL. 125, NO. 41
http://issuu.com/humboldtchronicle/docs/humboldt_chronicle_10-12-11
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vv6UktckUFoJ:http://issuu.com/humboldtchronicle/docs/humboldt_chronicle_10-12-11%2Bpastor%2B%2522jerry%2BPittman%2522%2Btheft%2BNovember%257CDecember%257CJanuary&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Jeh&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&ct=clnk

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #7)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:24 PM

16. ... The senior Pittman preached against homosexuality from the pulpit, but mostly

when his son wasn’t there. Jerry’s stepmother ... is completely supportive of him ... However, when his father and stepmother started divorce proceedings, the floodgates opened ... His father had actually been arrested earlier that day, for theft over $10,000, related to the divorce, but had somehow ... made it back to the church ... Eugene McCoy, filed charges several days after the fact, claiming that it was Jerry, Jr. who had started it. Then, last Thursday ... Jerry’s uncle Patrick Flatt, was allegedly stabbed in his garage by two men in masks .. A couple of days later ... Eugene McCoy ... moved, only to have his house burn down the next morning ... Everyone is due in court on November 22 ...
Assaulted At Church For the Crime of Being Gay
Posted October 5th, 2011 by Evan Hurst
http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2011/10/19130/

So ... what happened in court?

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #16)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:50 PM

18. Deacon Stabbed In Bradford

By Emily Cassulo
By ecassulo@wbbjtv.com
Story Created: Sep 30, 2011 at 7:43 PM CDT
Story Updated: Sep 30, 2011 at 11:13 PM CDT

... Around 8 Thursday night, Bradford police said Patrick Flatt, a deacon at Grace Fellowship Church in Fruitland, was attacked as he went to turn off a light in his backyard shed ...

And in the attack, officers said Flatt was hit in the head from behind, slashed in the back of the neck, and stabbed in the arm.

According to investigators, the two men were wearing ski masks and dark clothing.

Earlier this week, Flatt's nephew accused him and other deacons of assaulting him and his boyfriend for being gay when they tried to attend church services. Flatt told ABC 7 Eyewitness News off camera that those are all lies. Police will not say if the two attacks are connected.


http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Deacon-Stabbed-In-Bradford-130888923.html

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #16)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:54 PM

19. Suspicious fire, stabbing follow church ruckus

Humboldt Chronicle October 5 2011
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2011
VOL. 125, NO. 40
... The recent ruckus at a Fruitland church was followed last week by one of the member's home being the site of a suspicious fire. Another member was cut outside his home in Bradford. Firefighters responded to a fire at Eugene McCoy's home at 237 Alamo Highway, Trenton, at 2 a.m. last Saturday. The fire began on an outside wall and was confined to the back bedroom and wall. The fire is under investigation by the Gibson County Fire Department and the State Fire Marshall Ron Powers, said GC Fire Chief Bryan Cathey. Arson is suspected. Patrick Flatt, another member of Grace Fellowship Church, was attacked and stabbed in his backyard, reported Bradford Police Chief Scott Combs. Two men wearing hoodies reportedly jumped Flatt at his home at 413 West Main in Bradford. That investigation continues as well ...

http://issuu.com/humboldtchronicle/docs/humboldt_chronicle_10-05-11

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EEG_c8wh418J:http://issuu.com/humboldtchronicle/docs/humboldt_chronicle_10-05-11%2BEugene%2BMcCoy%2Bfruitland&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&ct=clnk

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #7)

Tue May 15, 2012, 01:43 PM

21. Case of Preacher Accused of Attacking Gay Son Goes to Court

By 7 Eyewitness News Staff
By news@wbbjtv.com
Story Created: Jan 24, 2012 at 9:12 PM CDT
Story Updated: Jan 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM CDT
Tuesday, a Gibson County judge dismissed all charges in the case of a gay couple who accused a preacher and several deacons of assault ... Today, the judge ruled there is not enough evidence to proceed and dismissed all charges.

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Case-of-Gay--138011138.html

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 11:38 AM

10. Leviticus 20:13

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for a moment.

If you were one to believe in the Bible as literally true, you would take that statement to be true as well.

So, in a sense, those true believers have a legal, and in their minds, moral right to attack and kill gays. Discriminating against them is justified because the gay lifestyle is immoral.

Back to reality.

The Bible has been and can be used to justify a great number of human rights abuses; slavery, killing gays, killing non-believers, subordination of women, and a lot of other gruesome activities.

It's not all Old Testament either. Read Corinthians I all the way through, and you'll see that Jesus and Christianity are cool with slavery and treating women as second class citizens.

We live in a nation of laws. One of the key principles in the US is religious freedom. When religious beliefs are used to justify violence, they've gone too far.

When Dominionist Christians cry persecution, that's what they mean. They mean they don't have the right to discriminate, hate, or abuse others as their beliefs teach them.

It's the 21st Century. Gays are people too, and as such are entitled to all the benefits of citizenship. An ancient Bronze Age book should not be considered a means of justifiably trumping civil and human rights.


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Response to dash_bannon (Reply #10)

Tue May 15, 2012, 12:05 PM

13. its a strange paradox

to consider myself having faith, in spite of those issues you've mentioned. I suppose the hard liners would put me in the same boat with atheists. My belief system is completely self learned, based on years of thought and observation. It seems to me that any belief system which is copied from a book, word for word without being processed or internalized, is false or at least in-genuine.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #13)

Tue May 15, 2012, 02:04 PM

25. Many of these people are parrots, biological computers fed the word or

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parts of it, misinformed and ignorant. None are even remotely in the same league as you IMO and they would cast you out as a sinner with their whole bucket of illogic and ignorance they love to follow.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #25)

Tue May 15, 2012, 03:47 PM

31. sounds better

than being embraced by them

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Response to Ian David (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 04:11 PM

32. (Methodist Coloring Book)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Pj-GIAACClc

I find the above link to be both relevant and informative.

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