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Fri May 4, 2012, 11:55 AM

"Na Na-na-na na na na na..." May 4, 1970



"Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" Santayana



March 5th 1770 Boston Massacre: Redcoats + Protesters throwing snowballs = shooting randomly into crowd killing four.

May 4th 1970 Kent State Massacre: Ohio National Guard + Protesters throwing rocks = shooting randomly into crowd killing four.

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Reply "Na Na-na-na na na na na..." May 4, 1970 (Original post)
stlsaxman May 2012 OP
zeemike May 2012 #1
yardwork May 2012 #2
JohnnyRingo May 2012 #3
Ninga May 2012 #4
FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #5
benld74 May 2012 #6
DianaForRussFeingold May 2012 #7
malthaussen May 2012 #8
DianaForRussFeingold May 2012 #9
rug May 2012 #10
dixiegrrrrl May 2012 #11
rug May 2012 #12
DianaForRussFeingold May 2012 #13

Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 12:04 PM

1. K&R because we really do need to remember...n/t

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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 12:06 PM

2. I'll never forget it. Thank you for posting.

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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 12:37 PM

3. K&R

Remember Kent State.

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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 12:42 PM

4. Living within a 35 minute commute of Kent State, each year I always take a drive there

to quietly visit the daffodils. In 1970, 58,175 were planted. One for each soldier death in Vietnam.

It is both breathtaking and heartbreaking.

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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 02:31 PM

6. Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,

We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.



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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:17 PM

7. Oh-Boy, Oh-Boy! Do I remember how my Dad STILL supported Nixon

Yeah, My Dad was a Nixon Democrat...
I was just a little kid..What did I know?! I knew I hated war and violence and knew they were wrong and nobody, not even my Dad,(a WW11 Veteran) could tell me different! I can remember watching this on the news, at our kitchen table..
Oh, how I wish I didn't remember him saying "They ought to shoot all the Hippies"... I remember being so brokenhearted--It seemed to me he thought everyone who turned eighteen, and I thought.. was very cool, was automatically a Hippie!
My Dad did change to some extent...when his Nephew-my cousin, was killed in Vietnam...

It was different back then--We had Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather. We had real Journalists and only about four channels..Plus PBS. Even, the Music (Like the song in the video) had a message of truth!
If the media then, was like it is, now..the Vietnam War could still be going on!

We better teach our kids about the Vietnam War and while were at it; the fight for Unions, the Glass–Steagall Act, The New Deal, and The GI Bill..Also, what 'Real Journalism' looks like..!


"Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it" Santayana
No truer words were ever written!

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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 04:20 PM

8. Mr Santayana was incomplete in his statement...

... because those of us who have learned from the past, are still doomed to repeat it. I mean, I've learned -- have you? But the same old thing goes on.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #8)

Fri May 4, 2012, 07:08 PM

9. "What's Past Is Prologue" William Shakespeare from his play The Tempest.

This metaphor seems to fit--It's also a favorite of mine!

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Response to stlsaxman (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 08:10 PM

10. Followed by Jackson State.

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Response to rug (Reply #10)

Fri May 4, 2012, 09:02 PM

11. I STILL get a visceral reaction when I see Nixon, as in the pic you posted.

Deep, abiding, intense, passionate, with every fiber of my being anger at him.
We were very intense back then, so much was going on, many of us really thought the country would end in civil war.

and now look where we are.
All that sacrifice, all those marches and protests and bloodshed and horrific losses,
here and in Viet Nam.
To be where we are now.
Heart breaking.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #11)

Fri May 4, 2012, 09:09 PM

12. I'm with you.

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Response to rug (Reply #10)

Fri May 4, 2012, 11:20 PM

13. Oh, I was looking for archival footage of this..Thank You!

Watching this- I still get the same sick feeling..I had to stop it!

I found this video from 2010 you might like!
..(Democracy Now, Amy Goodman;
Actual victims and witnesses recall what happened:
"Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30.
Many young people, including college students and teachers, were concerned about being drafted to fight in a war that they strongly opposed. The expansion of that war into another country appeared to them to have increased that risk... "(Taken from video description)
Other students who were shot (including two who were killed) had not been involved in the protest..
Part 1
Part 2

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