Massive NATO military drills near Russian border underway

[DeSwiss]

- Re-making the world safe for democracy.......

[Man from Pickens]

1. when Russia inevitably and predictably responds in kind

there will be the usual barrage of propaganda telling us how evil they are

[DeSwiss]

2. As we speak.....

&

I'll throw this last one in there just as a reminder that these aren't the usual kids that we try to beat-up and/or intimate on the playground.......

[Diclotican]

7. DeSwiss

DeSwiss

No one is trying to beat up Russia - it is to big a country to beat up - just ask the germans who did tried to do it... If anything it is Russia who is trying to be extremely aggressive, and even treating some nato members with nuclear weapons, as they did with Denmark the other day - if DJ would work closer with the US in different programs who they have common interest - but who Russia see as a affront to their interest - and the ambassador to DK from Russia, threatened DK with nuclear weapon if they did.. No public message from DK at the moment about it - but I'm pretty sure behind the scene, a lot of things is happening...

But the fact is, the NATO exercises in the northern part of Norway, with many member states involved was a excessive planned - and where the russians was informed at least 6 monts in advance - as the agreement between Russia and Norway express the necessarily to do - in the interest of making sure no "misunderstanding" could end in anything else than keeping the peace between Russia and Norway...

But the snap excessive The russian Army, Naval forces and air force was never told in advance - and should have been, according to the treaty between Russia and Norway - so if anything it is Russia who is provoking something in this case - not the opposite..

Diocletian

[DeSwiss]

22. ''No one is trying to beat up Russia.''

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[salib]

28. This needs to be its own OP

[DeSwiss]

30. It probably should be the ONLY OP.

Considering where all this is headed if we don't change direction. But any-which-way we slice up the pie, competition and capitalism are killers. It's what we've been doing since recorded history on this planet: Killing each other so we can feel safe and secure.

Except it never works, and nobody is.

- And it's time for us to change before we kill ourselves.

[zeemike]

8. Yep we see it all the time.

We take our military halfway around the world to play war games on Russian border and it is just an exercise, they do exercises in their own country and we call it naked aggression.

Seriously, they think we are a bunch so stupid suckers that will believe anything if it is wrapped in the American flag.

[DeSwiss]

26. Unfortunately.......

...as you can see from some of these posts here, they aren't too far off.

- As I've said before, we have no right to be in-charge of a planet!

We have no idea what the fuck we're doing.........

[zeemike]

29. Very nice short clip that describes the problem well.

When I was a kid I loved science fiction that was back in the 50s...and even back then they saw the contradictions in our consumerism...there were many stories about dystopian futures where consumption had gone wild...but now we seem to be blind to the facts...or we know this cannot last and we just hope it will continue until we die.

Sometimes I think the reason for all this war shit is depopulation so they won't have to worry about changing our dying system.

[DeSwiss]

32. It's ''their dying system.''

- Not ours.

I don't agree with all of Stefen Molyneux's views, but he was dead-on when he made this one:

[zeemike]

33. I had seen that before but watched it again to refresh my memory.

And I agree, he got that right.

And good point, it is theirs not ours.

[840high]

34. ...^ that

[Duckhunter935]

3. Well Russia has been doing that along the Ukrainian border

for over a year. Convenient way to move military equipment and soldiers across the unmonitored border.

[Quantess]

4. Poor Russia!

So misunderstood!

[DeSwiss]

21. Poor Yemen and poor Pakistan

- And poor HUMANITY. But at least Russia's not killing innocent babies and their mothers at the funerals and weddings of their relatives.

Right? Or do you understand that?

[Diclotican]

5. DeSwiss

DeSwiss


Cry my a river - this MASSIVE military drill in the northern part of Norway - Finnmark to be precise - was a ordinary military drill where many NATO nations was in Norway for an ordinary drill who happened twice a year - and where RUSSIA had been told 6 mounts in advance about the drill.... What the RT Do is outright lie - and is not even telling the truth - about the fact Russia emergency activated 38.000! soldiers, a few dusin naval ships - and air force to make its own military drill - on the doorstep of the NATO drill - even was as south as the northern part of Norwegian Sea - (Nordsjøen) - more or less in direct contact with naval forces from NATO...

The NATO drill is a semi-annual thing, one in the winter - and one in the summer - who have happened for more than 50 years now - maybe not as north as Fin mark - but have been a rather ordinary routine in the north part of Norway since at least the 1960s - maybe earlier one too....

Diclotican

[Joe Chi Minh]

10. All neatly and routinely scheduled in advance.

What a great way to take Russia by surprise. What have you folk got between your ears?

I wonder if this is balderdash, or it's on the up and up?

http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/top-us-commander-under-arrest-for-refusing-to-fire-nukes-at-russia/

[Diclotican]

14. Joe Chi Minh

Joe Chi Minh


I think it is one of the more sensible thing to do - when Russia is keeping its largest bulk of nuclear weapons less than 50 metric miles from your borders - and where they also stuck the largest bulk of nuclear submarines everywhere in the world, with nuclear weapons capable of destroying most of the world in less than 40 minutes - to give them a heads up when you have military exercises on your own - specially if it is exercises who is known to both parties, and have been it for a long time allready... It is Putin's way to tell the world - and specially NATO - that Russia is capable of acting on their own - and start large exercises showing off their power - and I am rather sure about one thing - NATO got a lot of new Intel about Russia's capacities now - as 38.000 soldiers in the army, the air force and the naval forces was using their new tactics and equipment - I'm rather sure that everything that could been used to spy on Russia, was on high orbit or on high alert, to get new information.. And Norway have a few assets to do that - both in the sea, and in the air.... The only thing Putin really did, was showing his hand...

Diclotican

[swilton]

17. Diocletian

Diocletian

Are these largest bulk of nuclear weapons less than 50 miles from your borders - tactical or strategic?


The US also has nuclear weapons 'capable of destroying most of the world in less than 40 minutes' - but it bases these submarines on both its east coast and west coast naval bases. It's the US way of telling the world 'you're either with us or against us'. (President George W. Bush in a session of Congress 20 Sep 2001)

[Diclotican]

19. swilton

swilton

I would belive them to be both tactical and strategic - as the nuclear weapons are in the hands of both the NAVY, the Airforce - and the army.. - And as the ICBMs or boomers are stationed in bases just north of the border (so to say ) I suspect most of them to be of strategic value for Russia.... That be the ones stationed on submarines - or in silos on land... Norway, Sweden and Finland, and some other nations have spendt billions worth of dollar - to make sure most of the old nuclear waste/ships/submarines of the Northen Fleet was scraped in the 1990s - as Russia had no ressourses to do it on their own - and had all this old submarines laying around be a danger to everyone - not to say that some of it could end up in hands they should not be... It was a genuine fear among many nations, that Russia should be teard apart in a civil war - where you had no guaranty about what could happend with the large stockpiles in the hands of the russian navy, the russian airforce and army.... Most of it was thankfully to treaty scraped - and destroyed beyound repairs - but the most modern, and advanced weapons is still out there in service both in submarines - on ships and in the airforce... Even if keept under strick guildelines and secured (mostly thanks to US help in the 1990s!)

It was not his finest hours when he stated "either is you with us, or against us" - to be honest - it was a rather stupid thing to say - an arrogant statement from a country who was deeply hurt - and also hurt every posiblity of getting help from many nations - who had objections about the nessesarity of going to war against Iraq - who was pointed out as the evil just days after 9/11 2001.... Not that Bush had so many "finest hours" in the first place - and even if he managed to even go furter in alinating his friends and allies all over the world in the 8 years he was in office - it was one of many ways to insult everyone, who supported US, and who was willing to do the right things - to combat extremism - sadly enough 9/11 also made sure, for many years that the madness was awaken also in the US - and still are rather in the open, if not americans is carefully enough....

I know about the US nuclear weapons - and that the fact they are capable of destroying most of the world in less than 40 minutes - but so is Russia - and that make for a whole different game to be honest - where we, who have a border with Russia - have to be extra carefully about how we treat Russia.. Norway, Sweden, Finland and Demark is not excactly superpowers in the world - even though we might had a shance to defend our territory if we had had the same political thinking all over - and had the same military strenght.... Sadly neither of us have that - even if we are good friends for the most part - two of us is member of NATO - two is nautral - even if Sweden since 1949 have been more than enough friendly with NATO - Finland had a history with Russia, who keept them nautral for over 60 years - and still have a lagre innfluence to how the political map are in Finland - who still have large contigents of military force - in majority against Russia if they ever was making moves for a war with Finland...

Diclotican

[War Horse]

13. Good post

It troubles me, as a fellow Norwegian, to see so much RT propaganda posted here. This is coming from a country which has had good relations with Russia for several decades, BTW, (many think that was why a Norwegian former prime minister was made NATO sec. gen.), has a significant Russian population and has regular border crossings back and forth from Russia up north.

Most of my Russian friends here in Norway describe RT as Russian Fox News...

[Diclotican]

15. War Horse

War Horse

Ah, you are also a norwigian - i never know - but thats nice.

RT does have it shortcomings - and I think many who believe RT should get their facts straight before they jump to conclusions - and it is indeed true, that Russia and Norway have been able to have good relations with each other for decades - mostly because both know their limits - and have no interest in going to war against the other I suspect.. If anything history show that it have been a lot of regular border crossing between Russia and Norway for many centuries as it is...

I also think mr Stoltenberg was given the post as Sec.Gen of NATO, because of his knowledge about Russia - compared to Rasmussen who had a whole different attitude toward Russia - I think our former prime minister is rather sensible - and low key, even if not shown as a man who is showing off how mighty NATO is... He have always been better in playing in the shadows our former prime minister - than to play in the open.. All the time since he was leader of AUF he have always been better in the shadows than in the open - and I suspect that is something Stoltenberg will use, with some success against Russia - or against Putin, who might discover that Stoltenberg is his match - or maybe more... And it is maybe also a point to be made - His father was a diplomat for most of his life - and know the inner working in the russian system - far better than most diplomats and have contacts in current and past administrations - who might be used to get the word across - to Putin who might other vice have no interest in getting the world about how NATO is seeing his behavior - that be in Ukraine or elsehwere....

Diclotican

[DeSwiss]

23. Whose PROPAGANDA do you prefer?

- I'll see if I can find some for you.

They're ALL liars.........

[swilton]

16. Diocletican

According to the news analysis, the exercises are taking place in Estonia...As your hyperbole would suggest, NATO exercises within Estonia (which only became a NATO member in 2004) have not been taking place for the past 50 years.

Maybe the exercises have been taking place in Norway (NATO member since 1949) for decades.

But if Russia or China were conducting military exercises in Canada, Mexico, or Cuba, I think the US would be upset.

[Diclotican]

18. swilton

swilton

Aha - I understood it as it was the military excises who have been in the north of Norway for the last couple of weeks - who spawned the highest readiness and military show of force for the Russian Naval forces, the air force and more than 38.000 soldiers in the same general area... Not in Estonia.... Who truly become member of NATO IN 2004 - thats correct

But even if Estonia was to be member just in 2004, as the rest of the baltic states was, it is inside their right to have military drills and to learn how to work with the other members of the alliance - as they see fit - regardless about how Russia will react to the fact they do so - And I think also thar Estonia - with the two other baltic states have rightfully fear about what the next move Russia have for the baltic states - as they do have had some rather unpleasant experiences with Russia the last couple of decades - it is just 25 years since the baltic states was independent from Russia - in the form of the Soviet Union - and they was not exactly to pleased be forced to be member of the Soviet Union to begin with - that be in 1939 - or in 1945, when germany was defeated - it was not until 1950 the last rebels in the baltic states was defeated by the red army - in the form of many of them leaving for Sweden - or for whatever nation who was kind enough to let them in....

If PRC, or Russia was conduction military exercises in Cuba (who is the most natural place, as both Russia and PRC do have connections to the Iceland) it would probably not be seen as the best of deals looking from the US point of view - but I doubt US would go overboard and threatened nabours with nuclear weapons - as the russian ambassdor did to Denmark a few days back - because DK was part of the exercises going on in the baltic sea... And that even in a open letter in the largest newspapers in Denmark... And I suspect it would not be a kind communication between the russian foreign office - and the denmark foreign office before business ends next week - rather a cross communication about cortyme between nations - who might russia rugs off as not a problem - but it is not "nice" if you threatened a nation with nuclear weapons because they are in a military exercises together with other member of NATO...

But I can understand why Russia have problems with it too - as the baltic states have been in "their area of interst" - and they was not to pleased when the baltic states was made member states of NATO - mostly becouse of the fear NATO was planning to going to war against Russia.. I doubt NATO wil go to war for the forseable future against Russia...

I doubt Mexico and Canada wil have large military excersises with PRC or Russia for the forseable future to be honest - as their interest not excactly not match up togheter anytime soon - and PRC do not have mutch of a blue-water navy to speak about - even if they have build a lot of new ships laterly - they navy is still far from able to do complicated naval excersises over long distances - their aircraft carrier is a allmoust 30 year old ship - who was build to be the 3th aircraft carrier for the Northen Fleet in Russia - but who never was finished - and languested in Ukraine for many years - before the allmoust finished hull was sold, orginaly as scrap metal to PRC, who instead of gutting it - rebuild it - and spendt a lot of ressourses make it posible to be used to enforce new doctrines in their military arsenal - and is today meant to be a "education tool" for both crew and equipment - and also to make sure PRC have the right knowlegde when they want to build their own aircraft carriers in the future....

Norway was in fact one of the founding members of NATO in 1949..

Diocletian

[zeemike]

31. Nato makes a provocative move and Russia responds

And we are told it is Russia's fault because they are acting aggressively...that seems to be the message we are getting.

The warmongering continues all over the globe...and many evil doers are found.

[DeSwiss]

27. So you're going to ''edit'' the news as well?

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Since when was Estonia and Latvia a part of ''ordinary NATO military drills''? It is the very provocation of using these countries (former Soviet Russian Republics) to stage what? A defense from whom? Who the hell is after Estonia and Latvia?

How would anyone in the West like it if Russia staged war games in Canada? Mexico? Cuba (not that again)?

Right. So save the BS.

- I THINK EVERY SINGLE MILITARY BASE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN.


How you like them apples???

[Diclotican]

35. DeSwiss

DeSwiss

If anything I suspect RT to be far better in "editing" news than I ever will be - If anything I misunderstood - as Russia have been all over the place lately - even with Norway - over something that they do know about - and have been knowing for years - that Norway have had military schedules with her allied countries every now and then - to make sure every one know each other - and also is able to do what maybe is needed if war broke out.. On the other side of the border in Russia - they got on high alert - and activated more than 30.000 soldiers and most of the Northern Fleet - to play hardball with NATO...


And since 2004 The baltic states have been members in NATO - and it is natural for allies and friends to schedule military exercises if they have that type of agreement between them - it is some of a sour point for Russia, the fact that every one of the baltic states was trying its best to get into NATO - as fast as human possible - and they threatened with military actions already in late 1990s - if the baltic states was ever to be member of NATO - or for that matter EU.... The baltic states is today both members of NATO and EU in spite of Russian influence to do otherwice...

The same could be said against most of the scandinavian countries - who's could be after them - small rather innocent countries who have not been in war with each others since the early 1800s - but the fact is some countries could attack us - and have been in the past too... And Russia have had a few rather large military exercises on our doorstep over the last 70 years - and even threatened Norway in the early 1960s - when the Cuban missile crisis was in full swing - and had at one point more than 4000 tanks stationed near the border - with their engines running - and people living 10-20 km inland in Norway could hear the engines - and had prepared for leaving in a hurry if neeeded...

And Russia have in the past - every now and then been playing hard with Sweden, Denmark and Norway - and even Finland, now and then - and it is not even a week since the ambassador to Denmark, from Russia - was treating Denmark with nuclear weapons - if Denmark continued being part of the military exercises in the baltic Sea - who was then underway in earnest.... And have more than once if not exactly treating the baltic states - so at least made it pretty clear that the baltic states would be in a lot of trouble if they was not doing what Russia want them to do.... But the fact is - the baltic states is part of NATO - and it is not much Russia could do to counter that - if they then do not want to invade the baltic states all togheter... But is not 1939/1940 anymore - and the baltic states would be protected by the alliance - and Russia know it pretty well too... Even if they do not want it to happend...

I agree that the best would have been if all military bases in the world had been shut down - and the mone used to have the bases spendt on making pepoles life better than it is today - If the whole budget of Pentagon alone had been used on infastructure - US could have everything they wanted - and then some more....

But Switzerland also have a decent military force - and more defensive fortresses and installations that they want everyone to know about - so I think you is kind of barking on the wrong tree here.... And have maybe more ill-gotten gains going all the way back to the late middel ages in your bank acounts....


If Russia was to have military excesses in Cuba - who I think they will do at some point in the future - I do hope US keep an eye on the situation - but is level handed enough not to do anything stupid - like interfere in the exercises as Russia do when NATO have their excersises.... Keep an eye on it all - get so much Intel as human possible - but not interfere anymore than needed - just to get to know where the land is - and to show Russia that US is there - on their own doorstep... And as I wrote to another here - I doubt Canada and Mexico wil have large scale excersises with Russia anytime soon...

Diclotican

[DeSwiss]

36. This is a question of perspective.

You see Russia as the world's greatest threat. And I see the US as the world's greatest threat. No matter what the propaganda and bullshit lies try to convince everyone. The facts speak for themselves. The threat comes not from nationalities. All nationalities as with nations are nothing more than Granfalloons. Bullshit labels we place onto ourselves so we can be easily identified by our owners.

We have reached the point of no return. We're undermining the planet's ecology which supports us. Just how stupid is that? And if we don't reverse course soon billions will die because of our ignorance, fear and ultimately our unworthiness and inability to manage ourselves and this planet without killing everything in sight.

More guns is not the answer to anything. But more guns is all the US knows and all we have because the people of this country live in ignorance and fear. It's planned that way.

- But no matter, we all know right from wrong because that knowledge and understanding comes from inside.........

Until we all stop lying to ourselves about what is really going-on, nothing will get any better, only worse.

What we're doing is insane.

[Diclotican]

37. DeSwiss

DeSwiss

I do not see Russia as the largest enemy in the world - you do not need to be projecting anything when it comes to me - other than what I write - but I do have some issues with mr Putin's actions the last year and a half - as he is going from being rather sensible and smart playing - to be a cowboy on the international scene - not as open as mr Bush jr did in the first 8 years of the 2000 - but rather carefully in the back - who most of his dealing is being made in the shadows - not easy to be seen - but the results tend to be rather clear - as it did in Georgia in 2008 - and in Ukraine last year and today..

And also for many other nations, who now is in his sight of fire - as many in eastern Europe have a past with Russia - positive as negative - specially the former baltic states who have a whole different view about the 70 year when they was part of the soviet union - than russians tend to express... Mostly because back in the day - if you wanted to get away from your farm houses, or to get a higher education - you needed to get education - in Russian, and the language was teach in all parts of the union and also in the eastern european nations as your second language - because it was seen as important to learn russian if you wanted to communicate, or to have Chance to get a higher education, and to go "somewhere" in life....


"our owners" it i just if we want them to be our "owners" we let them be that - but as you yourself point out - it is the matter or perspective - and I guess you look at the russians as a free nation, who just stand up for them self against the evils of "our owners" - the fact in the matter is maybe that Russia is as much in the hands of "Our owners" than US and all other nations - even the ones who is seen as rebelling against status que... If your perspective is the one who is in the right on this...


War is never the solution - but it looks like some of the more authoritarian nations of the world, have started on a road where a war might be a solution to much of the problems as anting - mr Putin's ambitions about getting the old "Union" back - is as glowing as ever - ever when he stated it all the time back in the early 2000 - somewhat overlooked in the west - but clearly understood in Russia - and the last 15 years when Putin have masterminded a national review of the country - have made much of the groundwork for a war, where russians have been told they have no limits to how large their power can be - and how proud they should be on their own nations - even have youth groups who is less about making sure political experience is been build in Russia - but more about military exercises and make sure to teach kids the "sound things" - even if it is the total opposite of democracy and liberal ideals... You know - the things we hoped could make Russia a better nation in the future - back in the 1990s when Russia was stumbling from one catastrophe to another catastrophe - and where you never know how Yeltsin would act... But it was also a time when they was doing as hard as they could - to build a civil community from the ground up - in a rather brutal difference from the past.. Sadly as it is - the new democracy who Russia was, never really got off its tracks - it lingered on for years - before it was released by an authoritarian regime - not a dictatorship - Putin is far to smart to go all the way in - but not at least - a authoritarian regime where Putin on center stage - with the rest of the russians in tow - and where opponents is either in prison - had to flee the country - under constant fear of being killed by RVS "Wet operations" - or killed by the same security apparatus who should protect the country, and ALL its people against enemies - but who is used largely by the leaders to repress and to target others who might be a competition to Putin and its leaders.....

Putin have also been stealing from the coffins of Russia - he and his group of leaders and friends have stolen more than 8000 billion dollars the last couple of years - from the public coffins in Russia - and put in in their own bank accounts - accruing to one who worked closely with Putin in the first years of 2000 - in 2005 he was thrown out of the country - because he had been fighting corruption on a large scale - and have some intimate knowledge about the inner working of Putin's regime - who might end him in danger - but as he stated - Putin can not frighten him - if his time comes - it will come - even if he had been making some preparations for him - and for his family if the need arise... It have been common for centuries that russian leaders have been stealing from the public coffins - even back in Tsar Peter the great, it was an anemic tradition to let the nobles take some of the surplus for their own needs - as long as it was not stolen to much of the surplus.. If they did, they had to be punished - for a while, before pardoned for their crimes - That old tradition have always been the ugly underbelly of russian politics - that on a local level - on province level - or on national level - the higher the office, the more you could steal - and get away with... But the shere level of corruption under Putin is extreme - the obligarks are not even trying to hide what hey did - and for the most part - no one is making any noise about it - and it just letting the goes by - even if it is PUBLIC founds -not private money...

So, I guess Putin is also part of "our masters" - as he steal the russian federation blind - with the full support of the one who have most to benefit from the corruption....

Diclotican

[DeSwiss]

38. I find this rusty-old morality play with its convenient heroes and villains tiring.

- You may continue to play with it to your heart's content.


The future is what ''we'' make it. Not Putin nor anyone else.

[Diclotican]

39. DeSwiss

DeSwiss

I do not "Playing" anything - I state is at I see it - and the current russian government is far from peacefully as they want you to believe it to be - Putin is a cold war warrior as few - who for years have stated rather public that one of the worst thing to happened in the 20th century - was the end of the Soviet Union - a Union he grow up in - and who he wanted to defend when he grow up - and ended up in KGB - who he was going true the ranks all up to colonel when he got fired - and the whole country he was defending ended up in the dustbins of history... For him - and for many like him - it was a catastrophe of legendary proportions - and he resent the idea that the past is past - and the future is the future - not the past... I would say it is quite a few things to regret when it comes to the 20th century - I doubt the end of the Soviet Union was the greatest of catastrophes to be inflicted on people to be honest about it..


The Russian government is currently playing a rather unpleasant game where i doubt they know where to go if the plans they had led is not getting true.. Even if Putin is a dam good shess player - who until Crimea and the eastern part of Ukraine show to have a fine tuned idea about what was possible and not - I doubt he really understood that in the end he is beholden to some of the same rules as everyone else who play in the international stage - if you play inside the rules - at least for the most part, you can win a lot - but if you play to much outside the rules - you tend to be seen as a villain - a person who is a danger to everyone around him....

I found Putin to be a interesting person - a rather cold man, who never shown to much emotion in public - and who I believed to be a rather clean cut person - who maybe was not a good democrat - rather of the authoritarian side of things - but who did know how to do business with the rest of the world - and who wanted to repair the damage made by the catastrophic 1990s - who really hurt ordinary russians hard.. In the earliest part of the 1990s - it was almost hunger in some of the largest city's in Russia - City's like St.Petersburg and other nations need to get help from abroad - to feed their pepole... In a country who have some of the greatest fields available to human kind to produce food for the whole planet... The whole system broke apart at the end of the Soviet Union - and was never replaced by anything else to at least migrate some of the pains from one system - to another system... Nothing at all - just hard and brutal end of a whole economical system - to a free marked system - who was not doing its job at all..

But I have to say - I'm not sure how to put mr Putin anymore - he looks to me like a person who have been around to many yes men, and to few no men when he planed for what he wanted next - that be a closer relationship with the different countries who was made upon when the 15 union members had to go their own way - and just closely aligned in a commonwealth of sorts.. He have been god at playing the game with his central asian countries, who by now is more or less aligned to Kremlin in a way not seen since before the end of the Soviet Union - even if they was given some form of freedom - and autonomy as they is seen as leaders of their own countries.. Or to outright try to reestablish the old Union - of course not with the old party who might end up oust him as their leader - but a more traditionally russian leadership - nationalistic as few - and supported by the Orthodox Church who under Putin have been as powerfully as hey was before the revolution - when the old Tsar and the Church was the two parts of the same coin...

And what yo say about the nationalistic youth movements - who was build upon by some of the allied of mr Putin - and who have for more than a decade now being one of the power bases to Putin's success - and who have been doing the "dirty work" when the official government have not been able to crush dissent on a grand scale.. Or to make emigrants who have build most of the new Moscow leave before they got paid for their work.... It is many thousands of workers, from all over Russia - and the Caucasus - who have been thrown out of Moscow - as grand building projects is finished - without a dime of their salary - and have gotten little or no support from the official Authorities when they have requested what they should have been given... Their sallary....

Diclotican

[stonecutter357]

6. RT

[ctsnowman]

9. How dare

Russia hold exercises in their own country without checking with us first.

[DeSwiss]

24. I know!!!!

[Fred Sanders]

11. NATO good, Russia bad - please do not make the American masses think about it!

NATO military good, Russia bad - how much do folks need to know?

Black hat, white hat, keep the tribal feces flinging simple, it is what Americans want, right?

Rinse the hats when worn out.... Repeat putting them on for all occasions.

Israel good, Iran bad.

America good, Venezuela bad.

Etc.

So easy, so simple, why do the critical thinkers have to do so much thinking, just select a hat!

[KoKo]

20. Ohhhhh....the Hypocrisy!

We War Game Them...and they are supposed to hide in a bunker in fear.

When will this shit stop and DIPLOMACY take over? Where are the GROWN UPS? Not at our State Department, in these times, it seems.

[DeSwiss]

25. You answered your own question.

- We have only children running things here. And kinda stupid children, at that.