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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:44 AM Feb 2015

“The only way we’re going to stop the right-to-work laws and the other forms of legislation that

hurt the middle class is to stand still,” he said. “That’s right, I said stand still. I think it’s about time that we stop the production in this country. … Let’s stop the truck from moving freight across this country. … Let’s stop the planes and the trains from moving people."


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NashuaDW

(90 posts)
1. Really? and a Question
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:02 AM
Feb 2015

stop the truck from moving freight across this country?
Stop the planes and the trains from moving people?

How does Mr. Gruber think this is going to win hearts and minds?
This is very similar to the folks that thought stopping people from getting to work and home generated sympathy towards the other causes where stoppages and blockages failed miserably.

My question: If labor unions are so good -- Why aren't people flocking to join them?
To clarify: I strongly believe in local unions but not national unions.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. Being nice has not gotten labor very far.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:53 AM
Feb 2015

I know that in theory it is a good idea. But the reality is that being nice has not gotten people very far.

Obviously, one union cannot shut down manufacturing in the entire country. It's when union members work together and support each other that they can change reality.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
8. If Republicans are so bad, why does half the country vote for them?
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:36 AM
Feb 2015

Propaganda, that's why.

Right wing radio and Faux News. They demonize the unions constantly. A lot of people believe what they say.

Unions ARE good.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. Work stoppages are the only tool we have while the other side uses their media to spread propaganda.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:57 AM
Feb 2015






midnight

(26,624 posts)
17. Wow, what a chart. I see Oracle is in this web. They seem to violate overtime laws and didn't
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:31 AM
Feb 2015

want to finish medicaid job for Oregon.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
14. The flock of sheep need a shepherd
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:57 AM
Feb 2015

Seriously, no one who has ever participated in a union organizing effort would ask why people aren't flocking to join unions.

Management, government, the law, right wing propaganda and once in a while, even liberals, make it difficult to organize.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
15. Really? Here are 39 reasons!
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:24 AM
Feb 2015

36 Reasons Why You Should Thank a Union
Weekends
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/15/1092027/-Thanks-a-Union-36-Ways-Unions-Have-Improved-Your-Life

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
2. K&R. Teachers demonstrated for smaller classes and higher wages
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:51 AM
Feb 2015

in the City of Los Angeles today. They have not had a raise in eight years. Wall Street bosses have had heftily higher bonuses in that time.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. I don't know. They could be doing just as badly.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:51 AM
Feb 2015

I heard about this on KPFK. As far as I know, only the teachers were demonstrating today.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
6. I was wondering because walker exempted some unions.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:21 AM
Feb 2015

“If it is a fundamental principle that public sector employees ought not to have the right to collective bargaining, why are the police, firefighters and state troopers of Wisconsin not part of the package?”

n NPR this morning, Walker answered that he couldn’t take the risk of cops and firefighters going out on strike and allow mayhem to ensue. But that’s an appeal to consequences — and a very dangerous one — rather than a principled reason.


http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/wisconsin-police-and-firefighters-didnt-endorse-walker/

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. I agree with you.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:48 AM
Feb 2015

One of the problems I have with Third-Wayers is that they don't protect public employees, the idea of the civil service (they prefer to hire and contract out to hire private contractors) or any employees for that matter.

Obama should have gone to Wisconsin and stood up for the unions. He did, and now Walker is running for president. Obama does a lot of things right, but he was very wrong, morally and politically wrong on that one.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
9. NO, that won't win hearts and minds. The answer is to COMMUNICATE and to VOTE in ELECTIONS !
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:57 AM
Feb 2015

COMMUNICATE better to the people. Unions and the left REFUSE TO INVEST IN EFFECTIVE MEDIA ! They refuse to invest in tv and radio to counter right wing tv and radio. That's the first step.

The next step is to get people to VOTE. When 37% of people vote, of course the RePUKES are going to win. Dems/Progressive sit home on their lazy apathetic asses instead of taking a few minutes to go and VOTE. So you get what you deserve.

Next, TELL YOUR OWN MEMBERS TO STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN. There's a thought.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
16. Communication should not Focus on blaming the voter who has no control
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:41 AM
Feb 2015

of electronic vote counting.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5471

I'm curious where you got the talking point that the Dems/Progressives sit home on their lazy apathetic asses?

 

father founding

(619 posts)
18. Howdy Doody. I mean Scotty Walker
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:42 PM
Feb 2015

Its a shame what the Governors Koch and their limp puppet did in Wisconsin !

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