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AProgressiveThinker

(248 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:25 AM Oct 2014

NO! The Bolsheviks were NOT Jewish Conspirators!

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NO! The Bolsheviks were NOT Jewish Conspirators! (Original Post) AProgressiveThinker Oct 2014 OP
Sadly, Sir, A Number Of People Still Need To Be Told This The Magistrate Oct 2014 #1
This, of course, also feeds Holocaust denial as well. Behind the Aegis Oct 2014 #2
That Can Certainly Happen, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #4
Sir... Lithos Oct 2014 #5
Hey, It's Late At Night, My Friend: What Can You Expect? The Magistrate Oct 2014 #6
Would appreciate it... Lithos Oct 2014 #7
Let us not forget that Stalin's last purge targeted Jews Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #8
That Was Something Kruschev Went Into At Some Length In The 'Twentieth Congress Speech', Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #9
I haven't seen shit like that for many years now........ Half-Century Man Oct 2014 #3
I Really Expected to See Dr. David Duke, panfluteman Oct 2014 #10
You Are Close, Sir: He Is a Convert To Orthodox Christianity, Born and Raised a Jew The Magistrate Oct 2014 #11
A "Self Hating Jew" I Suppose? panfluteman Oct 2014 #12
It Is A Weird World, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #13
Gross libodem Oct 2014 #14
a sophmoric video countering the idiotic anti-Semitic theory but using an offensive Nazi-era... uhnope Oct 2014 #15
Locking... hlthe2b Oct 2014 #16

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
1. Sadly, Sir, A Number Of People Still Need To Be Told This
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:33 AM
Oct 2014

Those who do include those who frequently link here to a website titled 'Vineyard of the Saker', which they claim gives sound analysis and information on events in Ukraine, despite such comments by its proprietor as this:

""I am fully aware of the role which Jews played in the horrors of the 20th century, I am aware that they declared war on Russia first, and on Germany after that (both times the order came from organized American Jewry and Jewish banks), I loathe both Rabbinical Judaism and Zionism because both are based on self-worship and racism. I don't need lectures on all the bad things Jews have done or are still doing. Believe me, I have read more anti-Jewish books than most people here (if only because I read them all not only English, but also in Russian which has at least 10 times as many anti-Jewish books as there are in English).

I will go as far as saying that Rabbinical Judaism is, in my sincerely held conclusion, Satanic at its core and at least as evil as Wahabi Islam."

( http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/ukrainian-news-two-phone-call-leaks.html --- scroll down to the blue text )

The idea Jews attacked Russia and then Germany, is in its first part no more or less than the sturdy anti-semitic trope that the Russian revolution was a Jewish plot, and that Bolsheviks were Jews or agents of Jews, and in its second that the travails of Germany after the Great War were the machinations of Jews: in short, pretty much the central theme of every speech Hitler ever gave. The claim direction for this came from American Jews and Jewish banks is, in its first part, again a leading Nazi theme, that Aaron Cohen in the board-room directed Moses Cohen to rouse the rabble of workers against Nation and Church for their mutual profit, and, in its second part, the reason Hitler gave for his inability to reach an understanding with England and the United States against the Bolsheviks ( Jews ). I will leave aside the blank and brooding hate of the theological clap-trap, for the present at least. A man who holds this view of twentieth century history cannot be considered a useful guide to current events, cannot be considered a reliable observer, and to proclaim him a standard of 'objective presentation' is simply absurd, like a man stepping out into the street with his shoes on his head and his hat on his feet.

Behind the Aegis

(53,939 posts)
2. This, of course, also feeds Holocaust denial as well.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:38 AM
Oct 2014

The kid in the video did a horrible job of denying the other video, but more importantly, it give the crackpot (his word) a forum to spew his bigotry. It almost makes me wonder if it wasn't a "false flag" of sorts. Saying it is not something, but giving such a poor defense as to almost make the asshole seem believable.

I have seen similar things in regards to Holocaust denial and it is just as nauseating. It is amazing how we are such a small group, yet seemingly responsible for all the world's woes, even if we weren't actually there.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
4. That Can Certainly Happen, Sir
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:45 AM
Oct 2014

The history of the idea, though, is a fascinating one. If you have not done so, I suggest looking into Woodrow Wilson, and his comments on sending U.S. troops into Russia, both at Archangel and Siberia, in 1918. Beliefs like this actually shaped policy at the highest level of major powers.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
5. Sir...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:06 AM
Oct 2014

You are once again overlooking the easy path for the one filled with truth and facts. Shame on you.

L-

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
6. Hey, It's Late At Night, My Friend: What Can You Expect?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:16 AM
Oct 2014

I owe you a note, by the way. I will try and get to it. I reel this stuff off pretty quick, but I can be a lousy correspondent privately, and I apologize.

Be well, Sir!

P.s. Links, and linkers, to that site would not have lasted long under the ancien regime....

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
7. Would appreciate it...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:51 AM
Oct 2014

I do not spend anywhere the same amount of time or energy as in the past; today's environment is distinctly more agenda driven and blind than before.

That said, I remember the past quite well, that site would not have passed. The system today is much more emotional than factual. I will stop as I'm into the cups and any continuation of this line would probably cross some boundary.

Email me when you get the chance.

L-

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
8. Let us not forget that Stalin's last purge targeted Jews
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:24 AM
Oct 2014

It was never completely carried out because it was interrupted by his timely death in 1953.

Nevertheless, when Stalin died, the Lubyanka was filled with Jewish doctors accused of plotting against the Communist government. Many believe that Stalin was going to stage show trials and execute the doctors, then accuse members of his inner circle, NKVD chief Lavrenti Beria in particular, of being in on the plot and getting rid of them as well. It would be the first time that Stalin would have cleaned house of his inner circle like that. Beria had already seen signs that he was out of favor and was quite aware that no chief of the NKVD ever died a natural death since Stalin came to power. Beria and the three other members of the inner circle who were making decisions after Stalin suffered a Stroke on March 1, 1953, -- Malenkov, Bulganin and Khrushchev, who weren't feeling too good about their chances of surviving the coming moths, either -- did not appear to be in any hurry to get Stalin the medical help he needed during his last illness. Stalin died on March 5.

Brother Nathaniel neglects to mention, probably because it doesn't fit into the narrative he wishes to present, that Stalin was a seminarian in his youth who always displayed anti-Semitic attitudes, not unusual in nineteenth-century Georgian peasants. Another trait deeply associated with Stalin is paranoia, which only heightened his anti-Semitism as he got older and culminated in what came to be called the doctor's plot.

One of the ironies of the twentieth century is that the big winner of World War II, like the big loser, was a brutal anti-Semitic totalitarian dictator.

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
9. That Was Something Kruschev Went Into At Some Length In The 'Twentieth Congress Speech', Sir
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 03:03 AM
Oct 2014

And it is quite true Stalin was a confirmed anti-Semite. It lacked the quasi-mystic nature of Hitler's obsession, though.

The Orthodox Church is taking up its old role of prop of the government and break on modernity nowadays in Russia....

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
3. I haven't seen shit like that for many years now........
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:41 AM
Oct 2014

I need a bath, back later.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
10. I Really Expected to See Dr. David Duke,
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:05 AM
Oct 2014

head of the reincarnated KKK, as the narrator and host of this video. Sounds like the kind of conspiracy theory he would put out. As I was watching the guy dressed up as a Russian Orthodox priest in this video, I couldn't help but think how Jewish he looked (sorry for the stereotyping, but visually, he fit the bill perfectly). He certainly didn't look Slavic or Russian. Talk about mixed messages! I suppose that there actually was a lot more that the commentator could have done to debunk the whole conspiracy theory presented in the video he commented on, but such is life. He could have drawn parallels with Hitler's speech book, as was pointed out above, for example. World communism was such a big schism that dominated the globe for most of the 20th century, which was the subject of such fear and panic, called a curse, etc..., that it has provided so much grist for the mill of conspiracy theorists everywhere, in every kind of way. I'm sure that this video just skimmed the surface of conspiracy theories about communism, which probably exist in just about every variety you can imagine - and maybe even some you can't imagine!

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
11. You Are Close, Sir: He Is a Convert To Orthodox Christianity, Born and Raised a Jew
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:10 AM
Oct 2014

He is rated as a monastic, though what is involved in this is not clear. He has been active at this for some years.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
12. A "Self Hating Jew" I Suppose?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:01 AM
Oct 2014

Interesting bit of research there, Mr. Magistrate! So, he goes around flogging himself and wailing, "Mea Culpa" while hating the supposedly satanic Jewish blood running through his veins??? Does he get down on his knees every night and pray to Jesus to forgive him for the original sin of his unfortunate birth? How weird!

The Magistrate

(95,244 posts)
13. It Is A Weird World, Sir
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:33 AM
Oct 2014

And the longer I am in it, the weirder it appears....

libodem

(19,288 posts)
14. Gross
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:02 AM
Oct 2014

I hated having to watch that film that was embedded in that video. What effing horsepucky. I feel like I sat through a hate speech. I don't like being slimmed with propaganda even if it is debunked at the end. I feel dirty.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
15. a sophmoric video countering the idiotic anti-Semitic theory but using an offensive Nazi-era...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:23 PM
Oct 2014

...Jewish stereotype image to advertise itself. This should NOT be on the homepage of DU.

hlthe2b

(102,200 posts)
16. Locking...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:26 PM
Oct 2014

Sorry, but host consensus is that this needs to be discussed in creative speculation. V&M and the other major forums specifically disallow conspiracy theory discussion--even those countering CT:


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