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Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:06 AM

Bill Maher Takes Down Kristol: 'Tea Party Was About A Black President'



From the cursing, angry reaction of Bill Kristol, you can tell Maher hit a very raw nerve. Not only does Maher lay out the irony of what the Tea Baggers are supposed to be about (given the returns on investment from various 'bailouts' prove they were wrong) but also notes the ignorance of Kristol's position just by visiting the Tea Bagger websites where they are talking about anything BUT the financial issues of bailouts, etc.

When you have Bill Kristol get as mad as he gets in this video, you know you've touched upon a deeper truth, and he knows it.

From video description:

Bill Maher marked the fifth anniversary of the tea party Friday night by saying that the real origin of the group had everything to do with a "black president," namely Barack Obama. Taking a giant leap out of character and taking advantage of his place on HBO, conservative guest Bill Kristol shot back, "That is total bullshit!"

"Even you don't believe that," Kristol said to Maher, "you're just saying that."

"I totally believe that," Maher insisted. "A month after he took office, suddenly white people were very concerned about debt, even though Bush had raised the debt way more than Obama had. I don't remember a tea party then."

CNN contributor Margaret Hoover backed Kristol, saying that at first the tea party really was about fiscal issues, but went "off the rails" a bit in the ensuing years.

"They don't really care about the debt that much," Maher said. If you look at their websites, he said they are mostly talking about Benghazi, impeaching Obama and Obamacare. "I wonder if they ever really cared about the debt that much."



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Reply Bill Maher Takes Down Kristol: 'Tea Party Was About A Black President' (Original post)
tomm2thumbs Mar 2014 OP
tomm2thumbs Mar 2014 #1
nolkyz Mar 2014 #3
LittleGirl Mar 2014 #12
maddiemom Mar 2014 #33
PatrynXX Mar 2014 #15
2banon Mar 2014 #19
FredisDead Mar 2014 #2
LittleGirl Mar 2014 #13
LittleGirl Mar 2014 #14
Stellar Mar 2014 #32
iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #4
Cha Mar 2014 #5
PatrynXX Mar 2014 #16
pacalo Mar 2014 #6
CTyankee Mar 2014 #22
pacalo Mar 2014 #29
tea and oranges Mar 2014 #7
Initech Mar 2014 #8
merrily Mar 2014 #9
Triana Mar 2014 #10
brett_jv Mar 2014 #35
heaven05 Mar 2014 #11
JHB Mar 2014 #17
butterfly77 Mar 2014 #38
JHB Mar 2014 #18
2banon Mar 2014 #20
bobhuntsman Mar 2014 #21
irisblue Mar 2014 #23
JHB Mar 2014 #27
irisblue Mar 2014 #28
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2014 #24
albino65 Mar 2014 #26
rtracey Mar 2014 #25
gtar100 Mar 2014 #30
cprise Mar 2014 #31
freebrew Mar 2014 #36
cprise Mar 2014 #39
MrScorpio Mar 2014 #34
butterfly77 Mar 2014 #37
konnie Mar 2014 #40
IkeRepublican Mar 2014 #41
daybranch Mar 2014 #42

Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:17 AM

1. Another clip, Maher: Have You Ever Met a War You Didn't Love




Bill Maher and Bill Kristol went at it even harder Friday night over the Pentagon's proposed spending cuts. While Maher argued that the relatively minor cuts could not possibly hurt our country's massive military, Kristol saw them as potentially disastrous. Maher showed chart which was created by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation and has been making the rounds this week, to ask why the U.S. needs to spend more on defense than the next 10 countries combined.

Kristol called Maher's arguments "childish," calling military spending the "lowest it's ever been in the modern era," a suggestion the show's other guests could not agree with.

"Have you ever met a war you didn't love?" Maher asked Kristol. All Kristol could do was admit that he has supported military intervention by multiple administrations.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:56 AM

3. Bill Kristol supports ALL wars...

 

.....as long as neither he nor his loved ones have to fight in them. He is the very definition of a chickenhawk.

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Response to nolkyz (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:32 AM

12. Yup n/t

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Response to nolkyz (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:55 PM

33. So true.

Kristol's is the face that immediately comes to mind when I hear the term.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:54 AM

15. Kristol just aired out a split in the party too

the crazy Tea Party sometimes Loves Putin Kristol can explain his position to them. as in they love Putin because he's white, because he married his childhood sweetheart (then divorced her I assume) because the DOG walks behind Putin instead of in front. Yeah or it'll be shot.... oh and Putin is white. They'd go full Commie before they got behind an American USA black President. They'd burn capitalism before going black. I don't agree with Maher on everything , but one reason Putin has so much power is Tea Party which controls the Republican party loves the guy. Hey I love James Bond too but usually I'm not rooting for Alex (006?) in Goldeneye For England James? No... For Me...

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:44 AM

19. damn. the clip ends where the most relevant bit begins.

What was Maher's and Kristol's conclusive remarks regarding the Ukraine? Anyone know?

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:30 AM

2. You can view the

 

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Response to FredisDead (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:33 AM

13. not really

don't you have to have cable to view those videos?

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Response to FredisDead (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:37 AM

14. sorry. ignore my other post and

OMG, thank you!

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Response to FredisDead (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:21 AM

32. Hey Thanks!



I've got HBO through Directv but I can't get HBO GO because DirecTV won't permit it separately. And the truth is I only get HBO to watch Bill.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:12 AM

4. really bummed me out

that tonight was a re-run

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:31 AM

5. that's one thing it was about.. the Kochs needed a subject change

from the failure of bush-cheney.

Re-posting my reply from another thread on this..

Birthers..

It was kochs funding it and then they turned into their own worst enemies.

Tell me it didn't matter that Pres Obama is Black!











More racist slime ball..
https://aattp.org/20-of-the-most-racist-teapublican-political-signs/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4583870

thanks tomm2thumbs

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Response to Cha (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:57 AM

16. yeah well

go to stormfront.org and you know who they support. Tea Party what is stormfront? KKK doesn't exist as a webpage. but stormfront well thats easier to get under the rug.. more organized than the earth liberation front and they have a facebook page. not really smart like the ALF (mink go be free oh watch out for the cars .. crash crash) (setting Hummers on fire is not all that great)

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:01 AM

6. Poor red-faced, angry guy -- can't understand why Bill is deviating from the scripts

he's accustomed to.

Bill was on a roll needling Kristol in the second video you posted.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:29 PM

22. It was worth watching to see how Maher wiped the grin off Kristol's face...

he goes around with that smiley, scoffing thing he does and gets away with it any other place but with Maher. Kristol should stop going on that show...bad for his brand of snark...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 08:32 PM

29. With Bill Maher, guests should expect attitude rather than platitude.

He expects them to think & discuss.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:04 AM

7. Kristol's a hundred percenter

That's how often he's wrong. He's the one who first saw Sarah Palin & thought, "Now there's vice-presidential material." BTW, did you see the way he looked at the young woman next to him right after he was yelling Bullshit? If you didn't, feel fortunate.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 02:24 AM

8. I saw the whole panel, Kristol is an even bigger idiot than I thought.

Maher totally laid the smack down tonight!

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:19 AM

9. "Off the rails" Yes. Off the wall, too.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:00 AM

10. Original Tea Party was about taxes. The more recent version is a reconstitution of John Birchers n/t

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Response to Triana (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:53 PM

35. Yep, but not about what today's TP thinks it was about ...

The original TP was about the Crown showing extreme Corporate favoritism in the form of highly unfavorable taxation policies for American businesses that put them at a huge competitive disadvantage with English corporations like the British East India Company. It wasn't about 'taxation w/o representation' or 'too high of income taxes' (there were none then) or anything of that nature. It was just about the tax and tariff structures being so far out of whack that Tea being grown in America (among other things like garments) couldn't compete on price with imported Tea from BEIC, and the British government was responsible for setting these f-ed up rules into place.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:17 AM

11. how can people like kristol

think that they can fool sane people with their bullshit? Maher hit the nail on the head and the faux news aficionado's head exploded. Thou protesteth too loud billyboy, you idiot. Tea Party=RACIST PARTY. Period. And any black person in that crowd is no better than a black person voting for acquittal for Dunn and Zimpig. Period.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:21 AM

17. Probably because he gets away with it every other day of the year

His connections and magazine make him a figure in conservative circles, and every other venue offers him a place to opine without consequence. He's never lost a gig based on a measure of "low quality/poor performance", and when he does lose one thanks to some other kind of kerfluffel, he has no problem getting another gig.

Why would he expect to get any different here?

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Response to JHB (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 12:00 AM

38. That is why he was so upset..

he wasn't controlling the dialogue with his bullshit. Now,another one I would like to see in that situation is O'lielly.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:42 AM

18. For once Kristol was right (well, about 10-20% right)

It's not just race at work -- there wouldn't be a "Tea Party" against Colin Powell, if he had run and won.

But racism is the ingredient that lets them swallow bullshit like it was chocolate, and they were already operating on the foundation of the bullshit-flinging machine they built to attack Clinton.

A Colin Powell would have had their impulses working at cross-purposes. But Obama, a black Democrat? All the foam outlets lined up in the same direction and had clearance to spew at full throttle.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:45 AM

20. That was a platform for more of the same, not a "takedown" ..

frustrating and annoying.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:56 AM

21. FTTP!

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Response to bobhuntsman (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:54 PM

23. fttp= fiber to the premises?

what is your meaning? Urban dictionary..1-.fine Turkish product? 2- fiber to the premises? so help a sister here...
FTTP means?

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Response to irisblue (Reply #23)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:36 PM

27. I'm going to guess: Fuck The Tea Party

And if that wasn't what bobhuntsman had in mind, oh well. Not as if it doesn't apply equally.

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Response to bobhuntsman (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:42 PM

28. dear bobthehuntsman

2 posts since 2008? ummm I'm betting I'll not get an answer...(sigh)

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:01 PM

24. And you can't overlook the CNN bimbo

trying like crazy to back up Kristol about the purity of the intentions of the Tea Baggers.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:32 PM

26. I wonder if she noticed...

that Kristol was staring at her boobs.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 04:22 PM

25. the telling thing

The one thing in this whole episode that bothered me more than anything was on overtime, when Kristol said he thinks the right wing will take over the Senate in 2014 and NOONE disagreed. GET THE F'N VOTE OUT, or we stand to lose a lot. Come 2014 in Repub controls both houses, kiss everything this administration did or has tried to do goodbye, including ACA....I guarantee if Senate goes right, the first thing will be ACA appeal.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 08:44 PM

30. Lesson One in How Conservatives Rewrite History

It just makes me upset to listen to their "new and improved" version of tea party history. They'd love for you to believe it was about "fiscal responsibility" until (oh my) it went "off the rails". Thom Hartman said it very clearly *years* before the idea of a tea party was even imagined that when Republicans have the Presidency, they don't give a shit about deficits, but as soon as a Democrat takes the office, they will scream and cry like whiny little babies...and without fail that's what they did. I was hearing racial "jokes" and a whole lot of other bullshit from conservatives even before he won the Democratic primary.

Bill Maher has a lot more fortitude than I when it comes to listening to them rewrite events. But when has a conservative *ever* admitted they were wrong *before* they were personally injured by conservative policies? We're stuck with these luddites until the day we die. Question is, will we continue to let them have the upper hand by us not voting? I hope enough people show up this year to get rid of the overwhelming influence the tea party and conservatives have on government processes. Because we are assured that nothing will work right as long as they have the kind of influence they do. And this rewriting of history will only feed into the collective amnesia so many suffer come each election cycle.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:30 AM

31. I recall TP forming around the market crash

It was formed from the shattering of the neoconservative bluster and world-view... an attempt to salvage the pieces by furiously rallying around St. Rand (and rebuking the bailouts).

I don't deny they're a bunch of racists, though.

The bailouts were 'wrong' in the sense that capitalism was supposed to send those captains of Finance to the dust bin and/or jail. But timing is everything and instead of being caught mis-managing the world, they were left in the drivers' seat until they had everyone fearing they would lose everything they had invested or even saved. The bankers had a kind of gun to our heads, so the only thing to do at that point was throw a lot of money at them in an attempt to keep the economy alive.

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Response to cprise (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:07 PM

36. Around here, it was to stop the ACA...

remembering the calls to 'keep your hands off our medicare'... while in the same breath attacking ALL gov't services. The koch's have them sooo confused.

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Response to freebrew (Reply #36)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:19 AM

39. I'm thinking back just before Obama's first election

They made the national news as the economic crash was still becoming a top story.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:01 PM

34. Kristol is a living reverse barometer

Pretty much always the opposite of what he says is usually the truth.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 11:56 PM

37. I totally enjoyed this show..

Bill Kristol was about to burst,he loves war.

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Response to butterfly77 (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:13 PM

40. i thought his head would explode

in wingnut land kristof is a revered wise man. no one challenges him. everyone
just nods at the pearls of shit he drips. Sitting at the table with Bill was a whole
new experience. As usual he thought he could just spit out wingnut talking points.
I'm surprised he didn't stroke out.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 09:38 PM

41. Bullshit indeed!

I'm sick and tired of our side constantly playing the race card. Seriously. It's always thrown out way too early in the game, keeps the focus away from the root cause and has essentially become a dog whistle similar to Benghazi on the right. Okay, maybe not like Benghazi to the right. Benghazi is a Republican mating call, which is far more intense than any dog whistle.

But, to be serious, the Democrat race card has heavily diminished the urgency when real racism does occur, such as a physical crime against someone of another race which is infinitely more harmful than any asshole spouting off some dim-bulb nonsense; commonly known as a "racial slur".

The TP came from a similar agenda to the Dupont Co. and their cohorts to take down FDR. Learning from that mistake, they exploited the use of useful idiots to spout off their own low-rent melodrama cries of bogus tyranny/socialism to stymie Obama and hinder what's necessary to get America on the right track. That's all it was. Astroturf and nothing more.

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Original post)

Tue Mar 4, 2014, 01:41 AM

42. I think Maher's point has been proven

Have you noticed the first thing teapartiers try to do is restrict voting rights of blacks, and Latinos? It was about anyone and anything that supported Black people.

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