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Glenn Greenwald DESTROYS David Gregory. With Newsmen Like You.....



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Reply Glenn Greenwald DESTROYS David Gregory. With Newsmen Like You..... (Original post)
Poll_Blind Jun 2013 OP
leveymg Jun 2013 #1
RKP5637 Jun 2013 #24
warrant46 Jun 2013 #25
leveymg Jun 2013 #30
chervilant Jun 2013 #72
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #42
leveymg Jun 2013 #45
Evergreen Emerald Jun 2013 #2
NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #3
Marr Jun 2013 #4
limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #5
Alkene Jun 2013 #54
calimary Jun 2013 #57
Alkene Jun 2013 #58
rurallib Jun 2013 #6
Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #64
ReRe Jun 2013 #71
truedelphi Jun 2013 #79
MNBrewer Jun 2013 #7
nashville_brook Jun 2013 #15
leveymg Jun 2013 #17
drynberg Jun 2013 #23
L0oniX Jun 2013 #31
Civilization2 Jun 2013 #43
rhett o rick Jun 2013 #50
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #52
grntuscarora Jun 2013 #59
Octafish Jun 2013 #60
Left Coast2020 Jun 2013 #62
LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #66
meegbear Jun 2013 #75
idwiyo Jun 2013 #77
cantbeserious Jun 2013 #8
Jim__ Jun 2013 #9
suffragette Jun 2013 #10
ymetca Jun 2013 #11
Fearless Jun 2013 #12
Enthusiast Jun 2013 #38
ReRe Jun 2013 #73
southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #13
bayareaboy Jun 2013 #14
JayhawkSD Jun 2013 #16
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #21
dkf Jun 2013 #26
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JDPriestly Jun 2013 #19
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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:53 AM

1. I'm beginning to believe that you don't get to host MTP unless you're a confirmed

shithead and brain dead.

Network news died a while back, but it still stinks like hell.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:25 PM

24. Yep, "... stinks like hell," 'cause it's dead! n/t

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Response to leveymg (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:33 PM

25. Gregory= Dead Man Walking

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Response to warrant46 (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:54 PM

30. Just a Green Room but no Green Mile in his future.

He's just a silly media person and a bad dancer, not a mass murderer.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:42 AM

72. But, oh so self important:

"Look at me,look at MEEEEEEEE!
I'm David Gregory!!!!"

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Response to leveymg (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:46 PM

42. Google Operation Mockingbird. They say that it has been discontinued.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #42)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:34 PM

45. I've been reading about CIA programs going back to the late 1960s when they started being disclosed.

Mockingbird was among the first such revelations that appeared in Ramparts magazine* which my father used to buy me to read on the train along with The New Republic, The Nation, and The National Review as a boy. My Dad tried to make sure I saw both sides, and how they differ. The difference part, I found, is what's interesting.

Covert Action Quarterly was another early source for disclosures in the 1970s and the 1980s. All along, the quality daily press -- NYT, WaPo, WSJ, CSM, McClatchey -- have been printing interesting things, and there are hundreds of books and other periodicals, committee heraings, government publications, and think tank studies. Too many for anyone to read.

Believe it or not, I don't believe the MSM is entirely a monolith but it is a business, dependent upon government sources and corporate revenue -- and a very closely monitored one. So, it tends to be very conservative about what it prints and airs. It errs on the side of caution, but it is still a useful source of information. No, I don't believe the CIA controls everything - even if they may want to.

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On edit: I should mention the irony that Rampart's, itself, had received some CIA funding prior to breaking the CIA and National Student Association stories in 1967, so I guess you can say, the Agency is seemingly everywhere without really controlling anything.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:54 AM

2. How dare that right-wing stenographer question anyone's

journalistic bona fides?

I think Greenwald's response was exactly right: we depend on the free press to reinforce our democracy.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:55 AM

3. Ape Boy was revealed for the sycophantic shill of a "reporter" that he is.

Also...why would we expect anything less from a TV network that is owned by a multinational company with vested interests in maintaining the hegemonic corporate/military industrial complex? Kudos to Greenwald and Long Live Edward Snowden!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:00 PM

4. Gregory said he wasn't "embracing" anything. What a joke he is.

Of course he was-- he was advancing a bogus, establishment narrative. The fact that he framed it in a "some people say" kind of way doesn't change anything.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:01 PM

5. David Gregory is a literally a dancing clown who will say anything for money.


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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:10 PM

54. Good lord (Rove video)...

what a disgusting, odious and eccentric public performance by "confirmed shit-heads."

Don't any of their handlers have the good sense and ability to intervene to prevent these fools from embarrassing themselves?

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Response to Alkene (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:28 PM

57. Welcome to DU, Alkene!

Glad you're here! Yeah, that's a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaallly choice one, that rove video. And there's david gregory just dancing along and having a great time - with the guy who committed TREASON by outing an undercover CIA agent during wartime.

There was a time when david gregory was actually worth something. He was White House correspondent for NBC News and he did a masterful job trying to hold scott mcclellan's feet to the fire over dubya's sketchy Texas Air National Guard "service." He really grilled the guy. Wouldn't let it go. Asked all kinds of probing questions. Dominated much of this one White House news conference in early 2004. I remember how we here at DU were so thrilled - SOMEBODY was finally drilling down into this scandal with the Resident-in-Chief.

And then, after that, nothing. I think it was not too long after that - when this video came to light of some Washington black-tie affair, and there he is dancing and prancing and partying it up with the guy from "Whose Line is it Anyway" and good ol' "m-c rove."

After that, david gregory became utterly worthless. We didn't see that other guy from the news conference - any longer. And of course shortly thereafter he got "Meet the Press," and I guess you can't do that without selling your soul and becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary.

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Response to calimary (Reply #57)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:55 PM

58. TY. Glad to be here. Yes, worthless and...sad, really. In a way. -n.t.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:11 PM

6. So Mr. Gregory, for aiding and abetting the illegal invasion of Iraq

Why should charges not be brought against you?

I have been mostly quietly watching this unfold. But I believe in openness in government and it sure looks to me like the M$M is more than happy to give the government the rope to hang them with and help them build the scaffolding.

Now Gregory can go back to his owners at GE and get another bone.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:14 PM

64. Yes. And what gives DG the authority to accuse Mr. Greenwald of aiding and abetting?

Now that being really arrogant.

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #64)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:37 AM

71. Easy...

...because he was told to by an "authority."

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Response to rurallib (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:49 AM

79. Esepcially given that the majority of spending of the

600 plus billions of dollars available to the military is now going to our surveillance society, I am sure that the bone that David Gregory will be given will be thick and juicy.

Sad to know that so many "journalists" wouldn't know journalism if it bit them in the arse.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:25 PM

7. Greenwald continues to provide a great public service to the citizens of the US

The lying, smear-machine as exemplified by by David Gregory, on the other hand, not so much. It's a shame that so many here on DU can't face the truth when Greenwald lays it out in front of them. They go into full "shoot the messenger" mode.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:54 PM

15. +1

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:00 PM

17. +2

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:19 PM

23. YES

That is what I'm talkin' 'bout. Well said.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:56 PM

31. +4

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:56 PM

43. +5

 

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:32 PM

50. Well said. nm

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:04 PM

52. +7

 

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:10 PM

59. +8.

nt

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:35 PM

60. +9

I very much appreciate his perspectives on freedom of speech, the press, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002797594

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:04 PM

62. Edward R. Murrow would be proud of journalists link Mr. Greenwald

His come back to DG's question was incredibly to the point. Something that DG has apparently forgotten. Was is the purpose of being a journalist? Awsome response.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:37 AM

66. + Perfect!!

Plus a K/R~~ for the OP!

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:01 AM

75. 1++++

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:27 AM

77. +13!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:38 PM

8. Journalism Becomes An Oxymoron In An Orwellian World With All Encompassing State Surveillance

eom

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:40 PM

9. "The question of who's a journalist is up for debate."

But, of course, we all recognize that David Gregory is not a journalist.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:41 PM

10. Greenwald just schooled Gregory on how to Reject a Premise

Also like how he brought up Jane Mayer's points - much respect for her always.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:44 PM

12. Using the Fox News cop out "people have suggested"

Or "people have said".

It is a way to be partisan while attempting to seem unbiased. Shame on you David Gregory.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:26 PM

38. They pull this shit every Sunday.

I refuse to watch any of the news programs unless they are recommended by someone online, as this one was. Just pathetic. They imagine themselves to have credibility.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:44 AM

73. I normally don't watch the Sunday shows...

... seems like it's always two Wingers to one Democrat. And if it's Meet the Press, the ratio is even more lopsided, as they will have a DINO or two in there sometimes.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:45 PM

13. I can't stand Greenwald for a long time now but he does have a good point. Gregory

 

is one of those prime ass kissers.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:51 PM

14. It is nice to see Jerk-hoff Gregory ...


Get a double bitch slap. Especially when he does the FOX NEWS thing of pulling out the "some People say" routine.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 12:57 PM

16. The only thing Gregory does well is backtrack

He sticks his foot in his mouth so often that he has lots of practice.

"To the extent that you have aided and abetted..." he says, and then, "Anyone who was watching understands that I was asking a question" and "I'm not embracing anything." Yeah, right.

I do think that Greenwald is being a little careless in claiming that Snowden cannot be charged with espionage because "he was not working with any foreign government." That is not required to meet the definition of espionage.

"Espionage or spying involves a government or individual obtaining information considered secret or confidential without the permission of the holder of the information."

Snowden unquestionaby did precisely that, and the definition does not specify what how the espionage agent disposed of the information. The definition is complete once the information has been obtained.

That isn't to say that Snowden should be demonized. Sometimes breaking the law is necessary and praiseworthy, and my personal opinion is that this is such a case and that Snowden is a hero.

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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:08 PM

21. Face it. The PUBLIC is foreign to DC.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

26. Yes..."We the enemy of the United States of America". So sad.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:09 PM

33. More like "The Capitalist Empire"....

Oh wait,...the Soviets called themselves a "Union" to fit their "workers paradise" meme so I guess Capitalists would call themselves a "Partnership" so they can slap on Saint Ronney's cowboy hat and say howdy...

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:03 PM

18. Gregory should have asked Greenwald how many dead people being wrong about the NSA is

worth to those whom he represents by protecting private, and therefore SECRET, completely unregulated assault weapons' markets all over the world.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:08 PM

19. Gathering the metadata on the phone calls made by journalists

is completely inconsistent with freedom of the press.

I wonder very much about the death of Michael Hastings. A lot of theories have been put forth. But can you imagine how depressing it would be for an investigative journalist to realize that all of his phone calls to overseas sources in places in turmoil like Afghanistan were being listened to or recorded by private contractors working for the NSA and that all of the metadata on his calls within the USA were collected?

Every interview a journalist makes with someone who trusts him but who is a whistleblower or for some reason viewed as being on the opposite side of the US in some war or dispute -- the sources of information for scoops and controversial points of view fro an investigative journalist in time of war -- were being studied by NSA puppets?

David Gregory should be giving an editorial on how sacred the right of privacy is to journalists, judges and legislators, not pimping for the repressive parts of our government.

I don't like ad hominem insults, and I use them rarely, but David Gregory and anyone else who cannot understand what this program means for our country, how it destroys everything that our Constitution stands for from the separation of powers to the right to a fair trial to First Amendment freedoms is an utter idiot. And that describes David Gregory to a tee. What an idiot. Same to everyone else who thinks this spying program is OK. You just don't get it. Go read the Constitution and the case law that has interpreted it. Please.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:13 PM

36. Yes,, but, like, ya know,

the Constitution is s-o-o-o-o 18th Century and all, especially the Bill of...ah...Rats or Rights of something like that. David digs the New World Order, man! Greenwald is just s-o-o-o-o pre-Face Book and all.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:08 PM

20. David Gregory didn't do himself any favors there...

...his attempt to smear Greenwald blew up in his face. Good.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:15 PM

22. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Poll Blind.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

27. David Gregory proving, once again, what a clown he is.

K&R

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:40 PM

28. Gregory is such an on-his-knees corporate butt kisser

sheesh

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:52 PM

29. Gregory give douchebags a bad name.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:06 PM

32. BEWARE Greenwald

the so called American Journalists will be coming after you!

And well deserved - LOL

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:11 PM

34. ubadee ubadee ubadee ....

.......I'm not embracing anything....everyone knows I was just asking a question....

what a tool

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:12 PM

35. Morbidly fascinating and more than a little disturbing to read...

... the competing "Good German" thread on this same encounter.

I don't know whether those people truly believe what they're saying (that's the disturbing angle) or whether they're trying to fluff up their loyalty credentials as the crackdown on legitimate dissent gains ominous strength. (That's the morbidly fascinating part.)

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:20 PM

37. Why did he mention Fox in that context? The Fox employee was specifically

asking for classified information. That's different than receiving unsolicited information and reporting it. He was encouraging a government official to break the law.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:28 PM

39. very educational

Thank you.


I just haven't been participating much in this whole issue....overwhelms me on many levels, frankly.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:30 PM

40. Sorry I missed that. I can't stomach Gregory no matter who is on.

Thanks for posting the video.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 02:38 PM

41. David Gregory is a hack -

a well known member of the political class

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 03:31 PM

44. What a lame and pathetic attack on freedom of the press, "aiding and abetting", just wow! REALLY?

 

The well paid defenders of POWER are pathetic,.

What a great comeback from Greenwald.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 04:02 PM

46. David Gregory wants...

Greenwald arrested, tried and convicted of committing Journalism, which is a High Crime in Gregory's book.

Jealous much, David..?

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:07 PM

47. Government mouthpiece Dick Gregory

Channels his inner government.

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Response to geefloyd46 (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:22 AM

67. Dick Gregory is

an activist, comedian and humanitarian. David Gregory is a presstitute.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:10 PM

48. Actually, I think Gregory handled that well (much to my astonishment). I DO agree w/Greenwald.

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Response to gateley (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:31 PM

49. I don't. In his final reply to Greenwald, he says that the question of "who is a journalist?"

could be debated, and in his first question in this clip he called Greenwald several things, including a "polemicist", but not a journalist. All of this implies strongly that Gregory questions whether Greenwald himself can be considered a journalist, which is a personal insult and an ad hominem attack, as well as an indication that Gregory is trying to redefine the word, at the very least. A cursory glance through something as easily accessible as Greenwald's wikipedia entry leaves little doubt about whether Greenwald is a journalist, and leads me to conclude that Gregory shows himself to be a very poor journalist, at least with regard to this interview. A better way of handling it would be to accept that Greenwald in fact is a journalist as well as an attorney, and phrase his questions, and his responses, accordingly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald

"Glenn Greenwald (born March 6, 1967) is an American political journalist, lawyer, columnist, blogger, and author. He has been a columnist for the US edition of The Guardian since August 2012. Prior to that he was a columnist for Salon.com and an occasional contributor to The Guardian.

...Greenwald has received awards including the first Izzy Award for independent journalism, in 2009, and the 2010 Online Journalism Award for Best Commentary."

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #49)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:58 PM

51. I don't disagree, but I was just surprised that he said "I take your point" instead of getting

all bent out of shape defensive (although he did defend the question). I just think SO poorly of Gregory that if he says something that doesn't have me screaming at the screen, I give him a little attaboy.

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Response to gateley (Reply #51)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:10 PM

61. you are nicer than I am. :-)

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:10 PM

53. Proud to be Rec Number 100! n/t

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:20 PM

55. K&R Thanks n/t

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:20 PM

56. .

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:10 PM

63. Don't like either, but Greenwald killed it on this one n/t

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 02:26 AM

65. "I take your point."

A cowardly retreat...what Gregory was thinking was, "You're right, I'm wrong."

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:53 AM

68. Mr. Greenwald knows what is talking about- Mr. Gregory not so much....

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:55 AM

69. It's only a matter of time before David Gregory is working for FOX.

Who knows he might already be collecting a little on the side. He has probably already been advised that if NBC terminates him FOX will pick him up. All he has to do is act like a total right wing asshat until NBC decides they've had enough and then he cashes in at FOX.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:34 AM

70. Kick

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:14 AM

74. Priceless!

K&R

Thanks for this most entertaining clip of Greenwald cleaning up on Gregory. I don't watch the Sunday shows. Had you not posted it, I would never have known what happened.

All I can say is Greenwald is far and away the better journalist, hands down, no question at all. I was so proud of Greenwald. He did not stutter, and I swear I never heard a pause for a period. That seemed to be one long run-on sentence like you would hear out of Nathaniel Hawthorne!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:13 AM

76. We don't have news channels, we have propaganda channels.

The CBS Evening Propaganda
NBC Nightly Propaganda
ABC World Propaganda Tonight
Cable Propaganda Network
Fox Propaganda Channel
Bloomberg Propaganda
and so on.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:58 AM

78. Never liked David Gregory.

Every single time I see Gregory on TV, I think of him dancing with Karl Rove at that dinner acting like the little puppet on a string that he is.

MTP would be a much better show with someone else hosting. I rarely ever watch it these days.

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