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Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:35 PM

"The Church Doesn't Like the People to Grow Up."~ Bishop John Shelby Spong

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Reply "The Church Doesn't Like the People to Grow Up."~ Bishop John Shelby Spong (Original post)
MrScorpio Jun 2013 OP
LongTomH Jun 2013 #1
Submariner Jun 2013 #2
DesertFlower Jun 2013 #5
Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #6
Wednesdays Jun 2013 #11
SoapBox Jun 2013 #3
Stratosgc Jun 2013 #4
upaloopa Jun 2013 #7
snagglepuss Jun 2013 #8
snagglepuss Jun 2013 #9
pangaia Jun 2013 #15
amuse bouche Jun 2013 #10
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #12
hrmjustin Jun 2013 #13
wryter2000 Jun 2013 #14

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:44 PM

1. Remember the words of Mark Twain:

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"Mankind has the true religion...............thousands of 'em."

Edited to add: Actually my post was intended to be in support of the good Bishop's words. There are many paths to God, however we interpret that reality.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:52 PM

2. In the church I grew up in (catholic) that would be called Blasphemy

definitely a ticket to burn in the flames of hell for eternity. I must admit, that scary shit worked on me as a kid.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:16 PM

5. it worked with me too.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:42 PM

6. Well....Yeah....

If you say it that it sounds stupid..

And you can read "symbolically eat his flesh" as use substitution magic to preform a cannibalistic partial deification of yourself.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:42 PM

11. "Cosmic Jewish zombie"


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:06 PM

3. The Church likes...

brainwashed zombies.

No thinking...no independent thoughts...no listening to anyone. Just cough over your money and do what they say.

Oh yes and keep that FEAR in mind all the time.

...I've always felt it was all laughable.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:11 PM

4. This guy has a truly enlightened message

He is absolutely right. Religions are all about control. Christains and Muslims are mostly about controlling sexuality. It is an obsession with them. The Hindu cast structure controls society. It keeps everyone in their place.
No one controls God and access to the afterlife. Hell is a fabrication. God would not create such a place. He has no need for vengence. Good and evil change with every society. It is primarily a device to determine who gets fed and who doesn't.

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Response to Stratosgc (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:50 PM

7. Immanuel Kant said that in Prussia in 1778

in his answer to what is enlightenment
He said enlightenment is man's escape from his self imposed immaturity. Immaturity is the unwillingness to use your own brain, it is self imposed not because he is unable to think for himself but because he is too lazy to do so. The theme of enlightenment is to think for yourself.

It is much longer than that and is a good read

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:59 PM

8. Thanks for posting. Now on my must read list.

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Response to Stratosgc (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:59 PM

9. Hear hear.

Welcome to DU

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Response to Stratosgc (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:20 PM

15. Christains and Muslims who are mostly about controlling sexuality.

are not really Christians OR Muslims.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

10. Of course the church doesn't want

people to grow up because they will use their brain and realize everything about religion is fraud

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 04:51 PM

12. This man was one of my earliest heroes. He told plain truths about the ludicrous tales

 

and fantasies that the Christian religion is based on. He gave the origins and reasons for all of the other myths that the church co-opted in inventing their versions. It was the first time I ever heard a religious leader speak truth.
& R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:05 PM

13. I don't always agree with him but I always respected His Grace Bishop Spong.

I called him His Grace once and he was mortified.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:43 PM

14. I'm Episcopalian

I don't think we use "Your Grace." I think he might be Right Reverend or Very Reverend or something like that.

Bishop Spong is one of many good Episcopalians. My husband loved his books, even thought my husband was a committed atheist.

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