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Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:35 AM

Woman calling into radio show saying first suspect was run over and shot BY Police

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Reply Woman calling into radio show saying first suspect was run over and shot BY Police (Original post)
jakeXT Apr 2013 OP
uppityperson Apr 2013 #1
darkangel218 Apr 2013 #2
Swagman Apr 2013 #4
darkangel218 Apr 2013 #5
blatheringnutcase Apr 2013 #8
darkangel218 Apr 2013 #9
blatheringnutcase Apr 2013 #12
pennylane100 Apr 2013 #10
darkangel218 Apr 2013 #11
freedom fighter jh Apr 2013 #14
Peace Patriot Apr 2013 #20
jakeXT Apr 2013 #3
SkyDaddy7 Apr 2013 #17
Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #6
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #7
Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #13
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #18
marble falls Apr 2013 #15
rickford66 Apr 2013 #16
seabeyond Apr 2013 #19
seabeyond Apr 2013 #21

Response to jakeXT (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:41 AM

1. Why post this? Are you saying that he wasn't run over by his brother but the cops?

Or are you trying to show that eye witnesses like this don't know what happened? Unclear.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:48 AM

2. Excuses for the murderer.

Who cares who ran him over.

Good riddance!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:04 AM

4. still just a suspect at present surely

..or we end up avoiding trials as an inconvenience

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Response to Swagman (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:07 AM

5. Everyone knows who did it.

Let the trials commence. I surely don't care because I know they did it, they killed innocent lives. Why should I care who ran him over?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:56 AM

8. Not everything on tv is an episode of law and order.

This bombing was a real world event with huge political implications.
So if you're serious about pointing the finger, tell me how you know. Show me your evidence.

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Response to blatheringnutcase (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:03 AM

9. So in another words the whole thing was staged??


So they were just two inocent kids, who happen to carry IEDs and bunch if guns with them

O...kays.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:41 AM

12. plase read what I posted, you're jumping to conclusions again.


having guns doesn't make them guilty of terrorism, and I heard the ieds were grenades - sketchy, not the same as placing a bomb. You just have to withhold judgement before you get all of the details. I haven't even seen an image of them putting down their backpacks, or even without the backpacks.

There is just a bit more than a reasonable doubt in my mind.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:24 AM

10. My concern is not for the murderer,

the death penalty would be OK, but that would be after a trial. The problem, if it happened, is that we must never allow the cops to act as judge and jury. Of course it is hard to care when it comes to a person like this guy but we have the right to expect the police to obey the laws they are paid to enforce and they should be held accountable if they do not.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 04:31 AM

11. They obeyed the law alot.

One of them actually lost his life in the process.

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 06:30 AM

14. +1 nt

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Response to pennylane100 (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:56 PM

20. Juries are always right?

"the death penalty would be OK, but that would be after a trial...".

How many people have to be released after decades in our hell-hole prisons, because they were in fact NOT GUILTY, for you to realize that the death penalty is NOT "OK"?

You think it's "OK" for an innocent person to die, just so "we" can inflict the ultimate revenge on the probably guilty?

I'm sorry, but "we" are not God. We can never know for sure. Never! And, given the number of cases where the jury got it wrong, or the prosecutor or police or witnesses lied, or the defendant was too poor for adequate counsel, or racism or classicism colored the proceedings, or the accused was mentally retarded, or underage, or there were mitigating circumstances that the prosecutor or the judge suppressed at trial, the death penalty is TOO FINAL to make corrections of our VERY FLAWED legal system.

You say, "My concern is not for the murderer...".. You mean the "accused murderer," right? Your concern is not for the ACCUSED murderer. What if the accused murderer is YOU, and you didn't do it? You want to be given a "lethal injection" before you have a chance to prove your innocence?

This notion that because the police or prosecutors or the Corporate 'news' media or "Homeland Security" accuses someone of murder or "terrorism"--or, in these days of drones, doesn't bother to accuse them, just offs them and anybody else standing around--and the rest of us are supposed to shut up and be "good Germans," is WRONG.

We're all supposed to gang up on this ACCUSED "terrorist" and hate him and hope he dies at the hands of 'the Law'? No. That is wrong.

Not even a jury can know the truth with such finality that death for the prisoner is "OK."

As for the rest of us--the spectators at such events--it is wrong to say, "My concern is not for the murderer" and "it is hard to care when it comes to a person like this guy." How do we know who "this guy" is or what he did or didn't do? We have only the Corporate media to go by, which has lied to us, time and again, about matters of critical importance. We simply don't know if the story we are being told is true, and if we were to sit on a jury in this case, we still wouldn't know, for sure, with 100% certainty, that what we were being told is true. Could we be so certain that we would take a gun and shoot the defendant on the spot? In our false certitude, we let others do the killing.

As for your second point, that "we must never allow the cops to act as judge and jury," the truth is that they do, and the truth is that those who do often get away it. We need to understand that our policing and legal systems are VERY FLAWED. Our "authorities" not only make mistakes, they commit crimes with impunity, and they lie, and they set people up, and cover for each other, and are vulnerable to all human weaknesses--ambition, fear, corruption, fatigue, etc. We cannot trust them with the death penalty. Period. It is TOO FINAL. And in our discussion of these matters, as concerned citizens, we must never forget the word "accused" that belongs in front of the words "murderer" or "terrorist."

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 02:51 AM

3. I don't know what happened, Police says the older one was alive



Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was alive and struggling with Watertown police early Friday morning, when his younger brother and alleged co-conspirator drove over him in a stolen SUV, dragging him on the pavement and apparently inflicting the fatal injuries that killed him, said Watertown Police Chief Ed Deveau in a Globe interview.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/04/21/new-details-wild-shootout-with-bomb-suspects-watertown-chief-believes-older-brother-was-killed-younger-brother-desperate-getaway/jaIyrXr8fSnf5Pu4xnRbvM/story.html



At one point Tamerlan started walking directly toward the police while shooting, and when he ran out of ammunition an officer used the opportunity to tackle him. But when officers were handcuffing him in the middle of the street they suddenly realized a black SUV driven by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was coming right for them. The officers “dive out of the way, and he drives over his brother and drags him a short distance down the street.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/04/20/boston_bombing_suspect_dzhokar_tsarnaev_may_have_killed_his_brother.html

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Response to jakeXT (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:34 AM

17. That story is NOTHING like...

the one the woman told who claims to have witnessed it. I could care less about how the guy died but I would not doubt for a minute the cops lied to the media.

Who knows, maybe we will learn what happened during the trial.

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Response to jakeXT (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:12 AM

6. it is certainly interesting

Even from things ex-cops I have known have told me - sometimes especially in tense situation - cops do play very dirt. So I can't say it is impossible anymore than I can say this lady is correct.

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Response to jakeXT (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:42 AM

7. The conspiracy nuts out there just HAVE to believe this was a false flag....

Want proof?

Look at the end! Two guys who went to Supercuts!!!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 05:27 AM

13. it is possible to believe that the cops could have acted improperly without believing the whole

thing is some false flag. I have never met an ex-cop who didn't tell me that cops sometimes play really, really dirty. It is possible that happened this time. That doesn't mean that those two Chechen boys are innocent or that the whole thing is one big conspiracy. It might mean - and I say might - because I don't know - that some dirty stuff might have gone down that night. It is entirely possible.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 01:22 PM

18. The people who want there to be a conspiracy have their own agenda.

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Response to jakeXT (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 08:18 AM

15. More conspiracy nuttery.

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Response to jakeXT (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:23 AM

16. Why the stupid music ?

Why is there always music? The older you get, the harder it is to "hear" the talking. I quit looking at most videos like this, even the ones I agree with. As for this one, I don't care who ran him over.

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Response to jakeXT (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2013, 03:04 PM

21. no conspiracy theory. sorry. nt

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