Tue Jan 24, 2012, 04:21 AM
Behind the Aegis (27,694 posts)
German anti-Semitism 'deep-rooted' in society
Anti-Jewish feeling is "significantly" entrenched in German society, according to a report by experts appointed by the Bundestag (parliament).
They say the internet has played a key role in spreading Holocaust denial, far-right and extreme Islamist views, according to the DPA news agency. They also speak of "a wider acceptance in mainstream society of day-to-day anti-Jewish tirades and actions". The expert group, set up in 2009, is to report regularly on anti-Semitism. The findings of their report, due to be presented on Monday, were that anti-Jewish sentiment was "based on widespread prejudice, deeply-rooted cliches and also on plain ignorance of Jews and Judaism". more...
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Behind the Aegis | Jan 2012 | OP | |
| DesertFlower | Jan 2012 | #1 | |
| no_hypocrisy | Jan 2012 | #2 | |
| COLGATE4 | Jan 2012 | #3 | |
| izquierdista | Jan 2012 | #6 | |
| COLGATE4 | Jan 2012 | #7 | |
| izquierdista | Jan 2012 | #9 | |
| JHB | Jan 2012 | #4 | |
| roguevalley | Jan 2012 | #5 | |
| COLGATE4 | Jan 2012 | #8 | |
| dipsydoodle | Jan 2012 | #10 | |
| Odin2005 | Jan 2012 | #11 |
Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 05:37 AM
DesertFlower (8,844 posts)
1. very sad. nt
Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:29 AM
no_hypocrisy (25,300 posts)
2. German anti-Semitism goes way back.
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When I visited Dachau, the museum displayed cartoons and commentary dating back to the 19th Century showing stark contempt and derision towards Jews. That was supposed to demonstrate the most recent historical allusion of antisemitism that was to become the basis for The Holocaust. You can find antisemitic references in Germany and Europe generally as far back as the Dark Ages and the Renaissance. The Church, of course, didn't help matters.
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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:33 AM
COLGATE4 (4,333 posts)
3. Water is wet. The sun rises in the East.
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Last edited Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:35 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Ever has it been thus - nothing changes except enough time has passed now so that the younger generation doesn't have to embarass Uncle Fritz by asking him "what did you do doing the war, Uncle?". Poland is even worse - it has been extremely anti-semitic for centuries, and since the war not much has changed (except that most of the pesky Polish Jews were 'processed', so they aren't so much of an irritant now).
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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #3)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:15 AM
izquierdista (11,689 posts)
6. Oh, no, wrong on that
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You show your ignorance of Polish history. Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir the Great, who is on the 100 zloty note) decreed and enforced tolerance toward the Jews and made them welcome in Poland. See his Wiki at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_III_the_Great
Now as is the case in every society, there are tolerant, accepting people and there are racist bigots. And unfortunately, more than a few racist bigots have had their say in Poland as well. Probably the most telling statistic is the demographics though. If you look at the Pale of Settlement, the area where Jews lived because, well, they were ethnically cleansed from everywhere else, you will see that it coincides with the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth at its greatest extent. |
Response to izquierdista (Reply #6)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:28 PM
COLGATE4 (4,333 posts)
7. If you look at Polish history afyer Casimir the great
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you'll see that the 'tolerance to the Jews' decreed by him vanished pretty soon after. The history of the Jews in the Pale is one of essentially unlimited antipathy at best and pogroms at worst. The fact that they were ordered to live there because no one else wanted them didn't equal being loved by their ethnic neighbors.
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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #7)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 06:36 PM
izquierdista (11,689 posts)
9. It beats the Inquisition
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It's sad to think that being ignored and left to the poverty in the shtetls was the best they could do.
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Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:34 AM
JHB (17,811 posts)
4. Dave Niewart touches on his on Crooks & Liars...
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...in an excerpt from his book The Eliminationists while discussing the killed cat incident in Arkansas:
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/just-another-isolated-incident-arkan The term's first significant use came from historian Daniel Jonah Goldhagen in his controversial text, Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, where it appears extensively and plays a central role in his thesis that "eliminationist antisemitism" had a unique life in German culture and eventually was the driving force behind the Holocaust. In the text, Goldhagen never provides a concise definition of the word, but rather constructs a massively detailed description of the eliminationist mindset: |
Response to JHB (Reply #4)
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 09:02 AM
roguevalley (32,811 posts)
5. considerthe lingering stain of the hitler youth
Response to roguevalley (Reply #5)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 03:29 PM
COLGATE4 (4,333 posts)
8. Well, it's good training for becoming a Pope
Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 04:53 AM
dipsydoodle (32,682 posts)
10. Anti-Semitism still haunts Germany
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What on Earth does the Jewish community in Germany make of the flurry of headlines this week that described substantial anti-Semitism, and how have they reacted to plans to publish extracts from Mein Kampf?
Here, they live in the land that produced the Holocaust, and a rigorous academic study indicates that one in five Germans has at least a "latent" antipathy towards Jews. Separately, a British publisher planned to put extracts from Hitler's manifesto on news stands and only held back as a court in Bavaria got involved. You would expect loud and righteous outrage - but you would be wrong. Certainly, some groups have voiced anger but they have often been outside Germany. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16708340 "one in five Germans has at least a "latent" antipathy towards Jews." |
Response to Behind the Aegis (Original post)
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 01:34 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
11. Carl Jung called it Germany's "Wotanic Shadow"
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Scary.
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