Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:57 AM
marble falls (6,366 posts)
Air strikes ineffective, even counterproductive, analysts say
Punitive strikes ineffective, even counterproductive, analysts say
The type of limited military campaign being contemplated against Syria has failed to deter U.S. adversaries in the past, military analysts say.
1998 Sudan strike
A U.S. operation in 1998 targeted a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan that U.S. officials thought was making chemical weapons. Later evidence cast doubt on that claim. (Raouf, Associated Press / August 21, 1998)
By Ken Dilanian
August 27, 2013, 6:00 a.m.
WASHINGTON — The type of limited, punitive military campaign now being contemplated against Syria has failed to deter U.S. adversaries in the past, and at times emboldened them, military analysts say.
In two major episodes in 1998, the U.S. government unleashed a combination of bombs and cruise missiles against its foes — Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq. In a more distant third case, in 1986, the U.S. bombed Moammar Kadafi's Libya.
The bombs and missiles mostly hit their targets, and the U.S. military at the time declared the attacks successful. But in the end, they achieved little.
Two years after the U.S. bombed Tripoli, Pan Am Flight 103 exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 passengers and crew. Investigators later concluded that the U.S. attack was a primary motive for Kadafi to support the Lockerbie bombing.
Al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people in attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001. Hussein kicked out international weapons inspectors and survived despite sanctions until a U.S.-led invasion deposed him in 2003. The benefit to the U.S. of that costly war and the occupation that followed remains in dispute.
In a paper reviewing the 1998 attack on Iraq, Mark Conversino, associate dean of the U.S. Air War College, cited the unease of some military experts about the use of air power within tight constraints.
"Many air power theorists had long cautioned against using air power in penny packets or in hyper-constrained political environments," he wrote in the 2005 paper.
Yet presidents confronting limited options continue to consider such action. President Obama is said to be contemplating a limited series of cruise missile strikes in response to the apparent chemical weapons attack last week on civilians by the Syrian government of Bashar Assad.
Military analysts are warning about the limits of such an approach.
"If the U.S. does something and Assad is left standing at the end of it without having suffered real serious, painful enough damage, the U.S. looks weak and foolish," said Eliot Cohen, a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies, and a former State Department official in the Bush administration, who has long been skeptical about reliance on air power.
"Can you do damage with cruise missiles? Yes," said Anthony Cordesman, military analyst with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank. "Can you stop them from having chemical weapons capability? I would think the answer would be no. Should you limit yourself to just a kind of incremental retaliation? That doesn't serve any strategic purpose. It doesn't protect the Syrian people, it doesn't push Assad out."
Previous such punitive attacks were aimed at countries that had targeted or threatened American personnel or facilities. If Obama authorizes action against Syria, he would be striking a country that has posed no clear threat to the United States.
However, Obama did authorize U.S. participation in a U.N.-approved mission to protect civilians in 2011 that ultimately led to the fall of Kadafi's government. Secretary of State John F. Kerry, in a toughly worded statement Monday, cited what he called "the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians" in the attack last week in Syria.
In 1986, after officials concluded that Kadafi had ordered a bombing that killed two U.S. service members in a Berlin disco, President Reagan authorized an airstrike of 60 tons of munitions in 12 minutes on targets in Tripoli. Among the targets was Kadafi's residential compound, but he had fled after having been warned.
In August 1998, days after Al Qaeda bombings of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed 224 people, including 12 Americans, President Clinton signed off on plans to target Bin Laden with cruise missiles, and the U.S. fired 75 of them into terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.
Clinton's operation also targeted a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan that U.S. officials thought was making chemical weapons. Later evidence cast doubt on that claim.
Bin Laden canceled a planned meeting at one of the bombing sites, and he and many of his top lieutenants escaped unharmed. Documents declassified in 2008 suggested the strikes may have brought Al Qaeda and the Taliban closer politically and ideologically. The U.S. invaded Afghanistan after the 2001 attacks when the Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden.
A few months later, in December 1998, Clinton ordered an operation designed to "strike military targets in Iraq that contributed to its ability to produce, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction," according to a Pentagon history.
Later evidence showed Hussein had shelved his banned weapons programs by then, but the attacks were at the time considered a military success, having inflicted serious damage on Iraq's missile development program.
However, Hussein's government survived, and he ended United Nations weapons inspections. The attacks also weakened the international sanctions against him, analysts say, because some countries in the coalition were opposed to the operation and became less committed to the penalties afterward.
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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:36 AM
RC (25,592 posts)
4. There are still a few of us left here, that have not gone so far over to the Right,
as to meet up at the Democratic back door, to be called Liberals again.
(Kind of a transparent way to still be called a Democrat, when one is in danger of falling off the Right side cliff.)
"Democrat" needs to be redefined to what it used to be. The Center and Left of Center political party, the more Liberal/Progressive Party and not the Right Facing shadow of the Right of Center and Far Right.
So yeah, I do understand.
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Wed Aug 28, 2013, 11:17 AM
JayhawkSD (1,738 posts)
11. Will we just kill some palm trees in Syria?
Before putting troops ashore at Iwo Jima, the US pelted the island continuously with naval artillery and aerial bombardment for a full week, day and night, non stop. Not one building was left standing, not one rock was left sitting on top of another. The Brass was convinced they had killed at least 90% of the Japanese on the island. When the Marines came ashore they walked into an unprecedented firestorm. Turns out the bombardment had done pretty much nothing but kill palm trees. The Japanese knew we were coming and were dug in.
By talking about it for several days before striking, because he needs to "consider his options," Obama gives the Assad forces time to hunker down and await the strikes in places where the US does not expect them to be and will not hit with missiles, and to be in bunkered sites that will leave them relatively undamaged and able to emerge and fight on once the strikes are spent. This is further facilitated by the announcement that it is a limited strike which will be of short duration rather than ongoing participation.
I have no doubt that the military is grinding its teeth at the stupidity of both aspects: telling the enemy that a surprise strike is coming days before you make it, and telling the enemy that after three days it will be safe for them to come back out and kick ass again.