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Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:43 AM

With Guns, Killer and Victim Are Usually Same

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/us/to-lower-suicide-rates-new-focus-turns-to-guns.html

February 13, 2013
With Guns, Killer and Victim Are Usually Same
By SABRINA TAVERNISE

DAYTON, Wyo. — Craig Reichert found his son’s body on a winter morning, lying on the floor as if he were napping with his great-uncle’s pistol under his knee. The 911 dispatcher told him to administer CPR, but Mr. Reichert, who has had emergency training, told her it was too late. His son, Kameron, 17, was already cold to the touch.

Guns are like a grandmother’s diamonds in the Reichert family, heirlooms that carry memory and tradition. They are used on the occasional hunting trip, but most days they are stored, forgotten, under a bed. So when Kameron used one on himself, his parents were as shocked as they were heartbroken.

“I beat myself up quite a bit over not having a gun safe or something to put them in,” Mr. Reichert said. But he said even if he had had one, “There would have been two people in the house with the combination, him and me.”

The gun debate has focused on mass shootings and assault weapons since the schoolhouse massacre in Newtown, Conn., but far more Americans die by turning guns on themselves. Nearly 20,000 of the 30,000 deaths from guns in the United States in 2010 were suicides, according to the most recent figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The national suicide rate has climbed by 12 percent since 2003, and suicide is the third-leading cause of death for teenagers.

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:30 AM

1. A gun in the home changes your psyche

just knowing the gun is there, just waiting to be used has to have a profound effect on the human subconscious psyche. All new purchases are begging to be used. Its like, what you think about all day you will become-.......or use.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:30 AM

3. Yep

 

and the folks who claim they would just find another way to kill themselves are full of it.

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:42 AM

4. Yes, having a gun around makes otherwise treatable depression far more fatal.

I am a firm believer in people being able to end their life if there is no hope (terminally ill cancer patients in horrible pain, etc.), but it seems the vast majority of suicides are the tragic result of untreated mental illness or depression. Committing suicide due to mental illness or depression is not a choice--it is the mental illness consuming you. Having a gun in the house makes suicide over 5 times more likely.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/more-guns-more-suicides/

And as noted in another DU post, at one point the Israeli Defense Forces changed policy, so that soldiers leave their guns on base rather than bringing them home with them over the weekend. After the change, suicide rates dropped by 40%, mostly attributed to a drop in gun suicides on weekends. In particular, there was no significant change in suicide rates during the week, so it's not the case that the timing of the policy coincided with some other change which made soldiers less suicidal overall. It was a clear case of means reduction.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117295436 (citing http://gsoa.feinheit.ch/media/medialibrary/2010/12/Lubin_10.pdf )

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 04:43 AM

2. ;-(

No words will come out...

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Response to jsr (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 11:43 AM

5. K&R

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