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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:30 PM

Glen Greenwald: Should an armed drone be dispatched to kill Christopher Dorner?

Subtitle: Why should the lives of law enforcement agents be risked to apprehend this suspected domestic terrorist?

...Here's my question: if the surveillance drones detect his location, should the lives of law enforcement agents be risked, along with other civilians, in an attempt to apprehend this highly-trained warrior? Why shouldn't an armed drone instead be immediately dispatched once his location is ascertained and simply kill him?

For those of you who believe it's possible to know someone's guilt without a trial, there is very little doubt about his guilt. Nobody has contested the authenticity of the confession posted in his name, nor the threats of further killing. He admitted and justified the killings on his Facebook entry.

For those of you who believe there is a clear definition of "terrorism", Dorner meets it easily. LAPD chief Charlie Beck today said that Dorner was engaging in "domestic terrorism". That's because he has not only threatened to kill random LAPD officers but also their children and family members in order to terrorize the department into publicly apologizing to him. He vowed to wage what he called "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" in pursuit of his goal. As intended, the entire community is in terror. If that's not "domestic terrorism" under the conventional defintion, then nothing is.

Now obviously, if attempts are made to apprehend Dorner and he uses lethal force to resist, then shooting or killing him would be justified, uncontroversially so. The FBI just killed a kidnapper in Alabama when he began shooting at the agents who tried to arrest him, and nobody objected. Law enforcement agents always have the right to defend themselves against people they're trying to arrest if lethal force is used to resist. That's an easy case, and not what I'm asking.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/11/chris-dorner-drones-lapd

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:35 PM

1. I don't have that much faith in "smart" weapons.

Or the humans that man them. No.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:09 PM

2. It's going to happen someday because no one gives a shit.

The LA cops have been running shooting innocent people they thought were Dorner. Nobody's giving a shit about that. It's already forgotten. They won't give a shit about drones either. This will happen. I expect it to be standard operating procedure in a year or two.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 12:24 PM

3. YES--right after they send it after the Wall Street execs who tanked the world economy through fraud

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 08:19 PM

4. If suspects and civilians can be slaughtered without trial why not slaughter him without trial?

It all makes soooooo much sense.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:07 PM

5. THEY DID SEND IN A DRONE:

A remote controlled tank thingy........

Just because it didn't fly and fire missiles don't mean it wasn't a drone.....

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 11:28 PM

6. More of Greenwald's usual witless drivel

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Response to limpyhobbler (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 08:59 AM

7. The LAPD wanted the personal satisfaction of hands-on retaliation

Drones are far too clinical, impersonal.

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Response to Demeter (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:57 PM

8. Yeah, how dare cops corner that guy in a cabin after a spree of kidnapping and murder.

Should have let him go with their gratitude.

Their fault he shot himself too.

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