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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:33 AM

Five myths about gun control

1. Gun control is a losing battle for Democrats.
2. Guns are deadliest as murder weapons.
3. America’s schools have become shooting galleries.

4. Gun regulations are incompatible with America’s gun heritage.

In 1619, the Virginia House of Burgesses passed a law making the transfer of guns to Native Americans punishable by death. Other laws across the colonies criminalized selling or giving firearms to slaves, indentured servants, Catholics, vagrants and those who refused to swear a loyalty oath to revolutionary forces. Guns could be confiscated or kept in central locations for the defense of the community. And in the late 1700s and early 1800s, the state and federal governments conducted several arms censuses. (Imagine what the NRA would say if government officials went door to door today asking people how many guns they owned and whether they were functional.)

On the western frontier in the 19th century, to stave off violence, new towns and cities enacted laws to bar carrying guns. In fact, the typical western town had stricter gun laws than many 21st-century states. Today, four states have completely eliminated permits for handgun ownership and carrying.


5. The Second Amendment was intended to protect the right of Americans to rise up against a tyrannical government.

This canard is repeated with disturbing frequency. The Constitution, in Article I, allows armed citizens in militias to “suppress Insurrections,” not cause them. The Constitution defines treason as “levying War” against the government in Article III, and the states can ask the federal government for assistance “against domestic Violence” under Article IV.

Our system provides peaceful means for citizens to air grievances and change policy, from the ballot box to the jury box to the right to peaceably assemble. If violence against an oppressive government were somehow countenanced in the Second Amendment, then Timothy McVeigh and Lee Harvey Oswald would have been vindicated for their heinous actions. But as constitutional scholar Roscoe Pound noted, a “legal right of the citizen to wage war on the government is something that cannot be admitted” because it would “defeat the whole Bill of Rights” — including the Second Amendment.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:42 AM

1. The loss of the Democratic Party's 50-year control of the House in 1994 is NOT A MYTH.

 

There is essentially no difference between LOSING HOUSE SEATS IN 1994 AND 2014.

Wayne LaPierre used to be a Democrat. He only acquired his position of power, and switched to being a Republican, after the first gun ban.

Because most of the voting public did not want the first gun ban and Congress rejected that and acted in an undemocratic way to adopt the gun ban, the Democratic Party lost its 50-year control over the House of Representatives in 1994. Even Bill Clinton, in his biography, describes the passage of the gun ban as a factor in the loss of the Congressional seats. His perception of the gun ban leading to the loss is not a myth.

It is known that Karl Rove (using Donald Segretti tactics) advised some of his followers to sign on to Democratic web sites to screw with Democrats.

Will the passage of an anti-gun Bill result in more Democrats being elected, or will fewer Democrats be elected? Will such passage, with the Republican control of the House, even happen?

So what are we left with? Serious discussions about the gun issue and illegal shootings? Virulent posting of anti-gun posts? How will any virulent postings of anti-gun posts result in more Democrats being elected instead of having more Republicans elected? Is anyone even thinking about this?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 05:19 PM

4. Is anyone even thinking about this?

you mean on DU, right?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:26 PM

5. Yes, I do mean on DU. Karl Rove and his friends undoubtedly have been.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:28 PM

6. most everyone seems to be running hither and yon in Hysteria mode.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:34 AM

2. you sounded like you had a good feel on this

right up until you included in your last paragraph ... what our system provides as if any of that is actually fully functional and makes a difference, including the right to assemble peacefully, which if exists at all anymore has been greatly diminished ... and Lee Harvey Oswald's heinous actions, which after 49 years there is still not a shred of credible proof of him being anything but stupid ... as related to McVeigh's actions ...

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:58 PM

3. excellent arguements

the fact that the nra is against this reality does not mean if need to buy into their distorted view.

with billionaires like Bloomberg on side with serious gun control, the tide will turn. he has more resources than the nra.

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