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marmar

(77,056 posts)
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:15 AM Dec 2012

David Sirota: Homeownership Support Shouldn’t Be a Mansion Subsidy

from truthdig:



Homeownership Support Shouldn’t Be a Mansion Subsidy

Posted on Dec 13, 2012
By David Sirota


With Congress finally starting to have a serious conversation about our revenue crisis, there are obvious reasons to limit the amount of mortgage interest that Americans can deduct from their taxable income.

First and foremost, current law—which allows homeowners to deduct all interest on mortgages up to $1 million—is extremely expensive for the country. As federal data show, it costs roughly $100 billion a year, making it the third largest expenditure woven into the tax code.

That huge outlay might be justified if the deduction was a widely-distributed, middle-class program. But with only about a third of all taxpayers earning enough to make it worthwhile to itemize their tax returns, just a quarter of all tax filers ever actually utilize the deduction. Add to this the fact that the deduction can be used for second homes, and the result is a write-off that mostly benefits the wealthy. In dollar-figure terms, it is a deduction that, according to the Tax Policy Center, saves $5460 for someone making more than $250,000 a year and only $91 for those making less than $40,000 a year.

As compelling as these facts are, though, the best argument for changing the deduction comes from recounting an obvious—but taboo—truth. Put simply, even in the name of the national goal of homeownership, the tax code does not need to subsidize $1 million mortgages, because nobody requires that large a mortgage to afford an adequate home. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/homeownership_support_shouldnt_be_a_mansion_subsidy_20121213/



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David Sirota: Homeownership Support Shouldn’t Be a Mansion Subsidy (Original Post) marmar Dec 2012 OP
du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #1
Funny, I got a mailer advertising a 2 bed + 1 bath for $900k Lucky Luciano Dec 2012 #2
Perhaps the point of the article is... Orrex Dec 2012 #3
In Manhattan, that can qualify as a mansion JHB Dec 2012 #4
lol wut? intersectionality Dec 2012 #5
What's your point, exactly? Orrex Dec 2012 #6
But it's in Manhattan; people living there choose it for its advantages muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #7
A 2BR in Manhattan provides easy commutes to jobs with high wages Thor_MN Dec 2012 #8
Context is everything. In an island of shoeboxes, a 2BR is a near-mansion JHB Dec 2012 #9

Lucky Luciano

(11,248 posts)
2. Funny, I got a mailer advertising a 2 bed + 1 bath for $900k
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:32 AM
Dec 2012

in Manhattan. Seemed like a bargain...certainly not a mansion.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
3. Perhaps the point of the article is...
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:00 AM
Dec 2012

That you shouldn't get to claim the mortgage interest deduction on that mansion if it's your second home.

intersectionality

(106 posts)
5. lol wut?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:21 AM
Dec 2012

Sounds like you have never lived in a place where the 1% income for the rest of the country doesn't even break the top 15%. A 2BR in Manhattan for $900k is just like a 2BR in any other place. Definitely not a mansion.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
6. What's your point, exactly?
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:44 AM
Dec 2012

You appear to be arguing that the article is invalid simply because you can identify an extremely anomalous area in which real estate values are preposterously inflated. Rather that howling about the author's choice of the single word "mansion," why don't you address the actual intent of the article? Do you truly feel that landowners should be able to claim theortgage interest deduction on their second and third and fourth properties? For what possible reason?

Or would you prefer simply to gnash your teeth at the suggestion that $900K would by a mansion in about 98% of the country?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
7. But it's in Manhattan; people living there choose it for its advantages
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:50 AM
Dec 2012

of being close to desirable amenities and high-paying jobs. And, more importantly, someone buying a home there ends up with a huge investment at the end, which they can sell and buy a mansion elsewhere. Which is their right, but there isn't a good reason for taxpayers to subsidise their eventual wealth.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
8. A 2BR in Manhattan provides easy commutes to jobs with high wages
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:52 AM
Dec 2012

which is why it costs so much more. It is not the same as a 2BR in any other place.

Take a house and lot from an inner ring suburb, place the same sized house on a same sized lot 50 miles out of the city, and the price will be cut in half. Location, as they say, matters.

JHB

(37,157 posts)
9. Context is everything. In an island of shoeboxes, a 2BR is a near-mansion
Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:21 AM
Dec 2012

And speaking of context, this is about tax breaks, not a semantic debate about what sort of dwelling qualifies for the term "mansion".

The fact is that the write-off in its present form provides a highly-disproportionate benefit to people at the higher end of the income spectrum. Lowering that cutoff should be on the table, at very least as a bargaining chip (as is grandfathering in currently-held mortgages and making a change only apply to mortgages made after a certain date).

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