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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:47 AM

Another Lost War: Defeated in Afghanistan

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Another Lost War: Defeated in Afghanistan
by Brian Cloughley | November 22, 2012 - 10:35am

A week after the spokesman for foreign forces in Afghanistan made his ridiculous pronouncement about peace and stability four rockets were fired into Kabul city, home to one of the world’s most corrupt governments. Mercifully, only one person was killed, and there wasn’t much damage, but the militants had made the point that they can continue attacks whenever and wherever they want. The amazing hi-tech gadgets of all the foreign forces can do a bit to reduce the number and effectiveness of attacks all over the country, but the fact that a few thousand raggy baggy Taliban (or call the insurgents what you will) can even begin to take on such a massive war machine is astonishing. So far this month they have killed twelve US and British soldiers, who — all of them — have died for nothing. And the politicians and generals continue to feed us upbeat garbage about their lost war.

Almost everyone has forgotten the Davis Report of January this year in which one of the few honorable professional military commentators on the Afghanistan shambles made it clear that “Senior ranking US military leaders have so distorted the truth when communicating with the US Congress and American people in regards to conditions on the ground in Afghanistan that the truth has become unrecognizable. This deception has damaged America’s credibility among both our allies and enemies, severely limiting our ability to reach a political solution to the war in Afghanistan.”

The writer of this well-researched exposure of inefficiency was Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, who is decidedly not of the West Point upper crust like Petraeus and his embedded Broadwell. Predictably, his analysis was smothered in a hazy maze of media-savvy pronouncements by military mouthpieces. And journalists whom you would think might support the cause and carry on his fight to influence government and public opinion seemed to wither away after the first (unavoidable) necessity to report his revelations. The Pentagon and the army were clever in avoiding direct criticism of Davis because this would have resulted in public exposure of inefficiency and misrepresentation on the part of many senior military officers. The Pentagon has learned a lot about manipulating the media, but it’s a pity it hasn’t devoted comparable energy to examining the terrible leadership blunders in Iraq and Afghanistan. And for the current situation there are few people more to blame than the bright shining liar Petraeus.

In March last year Petraeus testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Taliban’s momentum “has been arrested in much of the country and reversed in a number of important areas”. He claimed that progress was “significant,” though “fragile,” but “on the right azimuth to accomplish the objective” of having Afghan troops take over from western forces by the end of 2014.

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unhappycamper Nov 2012 OP
xchrom Nov 2012 #1
NoMoreWarNow Nov 2012 #2
Lasher Nov 2012 #3
Buzz Clik Nov 2012 #4
Lucky Luciano Nov 2012 #5
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John2 Nov 2012 #6
SoapBox Nov 2012 #7
onethatcares Nov 2012 #8
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #9
heaven05 Nov 2012 #10
John2 Nov 2012 #11
TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #12

Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:58 AM

1. du rec. nt

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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:32 AM

2. what a damn waste-- we can't leave soon enough

 

goddamn the US war machine

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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:34 AM

3. We didn't go into Afghanistan to achieve peace and stability for the inhabitants.

We got into this war to kill bin Laden. That's the way most people in the US felt back in 2001. Funny how objectives morph over time, trying to justify the longest military conflict in US history.

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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:10 AM

4. A war that never ends only has losers -- no winners.

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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:12 AM

5. We should just leave the overt part of the war.

The covert stuff I am more ok with as it is much cheaper in terms of lives and money. The Taliban are like roaches except they cannot be exterminated without the US doing something exceptionally evil with a lot of collateral damage.

Let's leave and let them shoot the place up. That is what the locals prefer.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:44 AM

6. I

 

agree with this. Those of us who elected President Obama, should demand, that he keep his promise, to leave Afghanistan, regardless of the situation. He needs to keep his promise and start nation building at home. The only reason most agreed to the War on afghanistan was to get Bin Laden.

We have given the Afghanistanians the tools to defend their country against the Taliban but the installed Government in Kabul are making demands on us. It is not clear their people want a Democracy. They have never had it. We don't need to spend any more lives or American tax dollars in this country. I've rather spend it on our entitlements. That is the bottomline. Quit your welfare over seas or outsourcing our money for Congress foreign Adventures. We did not agree to Nation building in Iraq or Afghanistan. The whole Iraq adventure was based on a lie. So how many more lies will our Government perpetrate for their Foreign excursions and have us pay for it? If those countries want Democracy, then let them fight for it themselves like we did. The Russians learned their lessons and so should we. It has been twelve years now and counting. There is a reason the Republican Party is out of Power.

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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:50 AM

7. Have we ever declared "war"????

I don't think so...

Call it whatever but don't call it war.

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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 10:30 AM

8. with the remake of "Red Dawn" coming

be ready for all kinds of excuses for why American civilians have a duty to become insurgents

if the country is invaded.

Same idiots don't see the correlation in the countries we invade.

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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:23 AM

9. If "our" occupation wasn't profitable, we would be out of there.

 



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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:36 AM

10. will

vietnam ever be remembered by our PTB? A people fighting for it's own land is never defeated. Subjugated? Yes, by all means. But defeated? No. We need to start spending these 'war' trillions on infrastructure, hospitals, equipment for "inner city", "urban", "poor appalachian and other depressed areas" schools, feeding the poor, providing medical care. All code words for getting shafted by two wars that cost trillions. Come on, wake up. I served in a war lost by politicians. The Viet Cong took on the massive military might of Amerikkka who along with their Thai and Korean surrogates still came home with our tail between our legs. Karzi is a joke no better than those installed puppets in viet nam were. He will fall as soon as/if our forces are drawn down. Double speak by Petraeus about "taliban momentum" and amerikkkan "progress". Westmoreland sounded the same note of optimism. Trillions wasted. Yes, I am crying over spilled milk.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:17 PM

11. I agree with you

 

on Karzai. He was installed by the Bush Administration and has been in power ever since. His time should be up if it was really a Democracy. His forces are ambushing ours too. That says to me, he has no control over his own forces. They are paid mercenaries.

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Response to unhappycamper (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:35 PM

12. There was no way to win in any way that could justify the many costs.

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