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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:14 AM

Josh can't comprehend the GOP bubble - "Disturbing"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/11/disturbing.php?ref=fpblg

JOSH MARSHALL NOVEMBER 11, 2012, 11:03 PM 16168

"As you know, the great question that faces the nation today is this: were Republicans, particularly Mitt Romney, really “shell shocked” by the results of Tuesday’s election or is this just some elaborate con-job for reasons as yet unknown.

Back on Thursday I expressed my own uncertainty about just what to make of all this. On the one hand, the story seems so universal and there seems so little reason at this point to keep up the pretense, unless there’s some reason I’m not aware of to keep pumping up retroactive erstaz Romney momentum. So the unanimity of the story gives it increasing credibility. On the other hand the scale of the goof just seems too much to believe and the Romney camp’s own actions — the desperate move into Pennsylvania, for instance — don’t really square with this purported confidence.

Now though we have yet another article in Politico reporting that not only did Romney’s campaign have polls that were substantially off but that this was the case pretty much across all Republican campaigns.

I think at this point, I give up. I give in. I can’t maintain my skepticism. I don’t know quite how shell shocked Mitt and his crew were. But I don’t see how not to believe that Republicans as a group were not working on the basis of internal polls that were just totally wrong. Cui Bono? Why lie this much? I simply don’t see any purpose being served. I’ve heard many suggest that they need to keep up this pretense because these are the bogus numbers they were serving up to Adelson and the other multi-billionaires to keep the money coming in. But this doesn’t really make sense. Are these guys going to react worse because they were lied to than they are if they think the guys they gave their money to are a bunch of incompetents and morons?"

snip - much more to read

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I think many of here at TPM understand the bubble of self-delusion and alternate reality amongst the hard core right (centered in Faux news) much more so than Josh does, it seems. I am not surprised very much by the completeness of the alternate reality, bizarro world bubble - it is created by hubris (or, perhaps, the right wing pollster Hugh Briss !)

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NRaleighLiberal Nov 2012 OP
Live and Learn Nov 2012 #1
Laurian Nov 2012 #2
Laurian Nov 2012 #3
naomi123 Nov 2012 #4
Flashmann Nov 2012 #5
MissMarple Nov 2012 #6

Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:18 AM

1. They started to believe their own lies.

Not really so surprising. As Rove well knows, if you say it often enough it becomes truth, even to those knowingly spreading the propaganda.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:19 AM

2. Rove had monetary incentives to perpetuate the lies.

The lies allowed him to continue raking in money for his group. For him, money=power.

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Response to Laurian (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:23 AM

3. And the RNC....remember that they had huge debt after 2008.

They probably went along with the charade to keep their organization in the black this cycle.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:33 AM

4. The money angle makes sense

Surely Rove is paid a percentage of his haul so he profits personally and also has money to dole out to candidates. Lots of reasons to tweak the polls to show a favorable outcome. Question how can he or those pollsters hope to be taken seriously in the future?

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:41 AM

5. how can he or those pollsters hope to be taken seriously in the future?

Simply by beginning anew with the lies and distortions.....The crowd he'll need to re-establish credibility with seem predisposed to gullibility...Tell them what they WANT to hear,and all will be well again......

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Response to Flashmann (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:41 PM

6. Hence the etch-a-sketch. The gop said during the Bush years that they create their own reality.

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