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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:01 PM

What Is It Like After You Die?

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The question, "What is it like after you die?" can make you wonder about taking the time to ponder such philosophical babble. You might reply, "The only way to know is when you die." Not so. You won't know any more than you do now. Increasingly, scientists are beginning to realize that an infinite number of realities may exist outside our old classical way of thinking.

Our instinctual understanding of reality is the same as most other animals. This came into focus the other day as I strolled though a nearby field, stirring up butterflies and creatures of all shapes and colors. There were wildflowers that were brilliant yellow, some that were red and others that were iridescent purple. This colorful world of up-and-down was the extent of my reality. Of course, to a mouse or a dog, that world of reds, greens and blues didn't exist anymore than the ultraviolet and infrared world (experienced by bees and snakes) did for me. In fact, some animals, including birds, possess magnetoreceptors that allow them to perceive information on the quantum level (indeed, some have even speculated that bees perceive a 6-dimensional reality to encode location information).

But regardless of these differences, we genome-based creatures all share a common biological (spatio-temporal) information-processing ability. I've previously written how reality isn't a hard, cold thing, but rather an active process that involves our consciousness. According to biocentrism, space and time are simply the tools our mind uses to weave information together into a coherent experience -- they are the language of consciousness (in fact, in dreams your mind uses the same algorithms to create a spatio-temporal reality that is as real, 3-D and flesh-and-blood as the one you're experiencing now). "It will remain remarkable," said Nobel physicist Eugene Wigner, referring to a long list of scientific experiments, "that the very study of the external world led to the conclusion that the content of the consciousness is an ultimate reality."

At death there's a break in our linear stream of consciousness, and thus a break in the linear connection of times and places. Indeed, biocentrism suggests it's a manifold that leads to all physical possibilities. More and more physicists are beginning to accept the "many-worlds" interpretation of quantum physics, which states that there are an infinite number of universes. Everything that can possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death doesn't exist in these scenarios, since all of them exist simultaneously regardless of what happens in any of them. The "me" feeling is just energy operating in the brain. But energy never dies; it cannot be destroyed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/biocentrism-and-death_b_908045.html

Author's own link here :

Does Death Exist? New Theory Says ‘No’

Many of us fear death. We believe in death because we have been told we will die. We associate ourselves with the body, and we know that bodies die. But a new scientific theory suggests that death is not the terminal event we think.

One well-known aspect of quantum physics is that certain observations cannot be predicted absolutely. Instead, there is a range of possible observations each with a different probability. One mainstream explanation, the “many-worlds” interpretation, states that each of these possible observations corresponds to a different universe (the ‘multiverse’). A new scientific theory – called biocentrism – refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe. Death does not exist in any real sense in these scenarios. All possible universes exist simultaneously, regardless of what happens in any of them. Although individual bodies are destined to self-destruct, the alive feeling – the ‘Who am I?’- is just a 20-watt fountain of energy operating in the brain. But this energy doesn’t go away at death. One of the surest axioms of science is that energy never dies; it can neither be created nor destroyed. But does this energy transcend from one world to the other?

Consider an experiment that was recently published in the journal Science showing that scientists could retroactively change something that had happened in the past. Particles had to decide how to behave when they hit a beam splitter. Later on, the experimenter could turn a second switch on or off. It turns out that what the observer decided at that point, determined what the particle did in the past. Regardless of the choice you, the observer, make, it is you who will experience the outcomes that will result. The linkages between these various histories and universes transcend our ordinary classical ideas of space and time. Think of the 20-watts of energy as simply holo-projecting either this or that result onto a screen. Whether you turn the second beam splitter on or off, it’s still the same battery or agent responsible for the projection.

According to Biocentrism, space and time are not the hard objects we think. Wave your hand through the air – if you take everything away, what’s left? Nothing. The same thing applies for time. You can’t see anything through the bone that surrounds your brain. Everything you see and experience right now is a whirl of information occurring in your mind. Space and time are simply the tools for putting everything together.

http://www.robertlanza.com/does-death-exist-new-theory-says-no-2/

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dipsydoodle Nov 2012 OP
Recursion Nov 2012 #1
Speck Tater Nov 2012 #3
rock Nov 2012 #5
Speck Tater Nov 2012 #10
rock Nov 2012 #11
bjobotts Nov 2012 #15
GliderGuider Nov 2012 #25
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Viva_Daddy Nov 2012 #4
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Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #7
bjobotts Nov 2012 #16
Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #19
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Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #8
lastlib Nov 2012 #9
freshwest Nov 2012 #12
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fingrinn Nov 2012 #14
Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #27
Dan Nov 2012 #17
Tikki Nov 2012 #18
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caraher Nov 2012 #23
bemildred Nov 2012 #24
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DiverDave Nov 2012 #28
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:03 PM

1. It's about what it was like before you were born (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:12 PM

3. Which time before I was born? My previous life, or the ones before that? nt

 

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:21 PM

5. Any of those times you weren't alive

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Response to rock (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:14 PM

10. Ah. But there have been so many of those.

 

Mostly I just hang out with friends and plan what we're going to do in out next incarnation.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:33 PM

11. Well, expect to do that again

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Response to rock (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:59 PM

15. all time exists at the same time

The consciousness that you are can be experienced like this. Wherever you are (forest or walking in nature is best) just take in everything before you without labeling, naming, judging good or bad or defining in any way...just observe...take it in. Then stop and note who it is that is observing and you will find it has no age race, gender, or anything that defines it...it just is...and that is who you are...that consciousness which is indefinable but can be experienced...that is the Source of what you are.
Try it...don't just think about it...do it and you will see.

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:35 AM

25. That's a very succinct way of putting it.

Anyone who has done it will nod in agreement. Anyone who hasn't may wonder WTF you're talking about.

Nods in agreement...

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:09 PM

2. I just hope that neither CNN nor Faux are on in the waiting room.

Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'll probably go to a warm climate for that, I know.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:16 PM

4. Only that which was born can ever die.

Try to find this one you say was born. Once you see that you were never born, you'll never fear death again.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:35 PM

6. Much to ponder in regards to that.





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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:48 PM

7. The article assumes consciousness is somehow separate from life...

It seems to me the only evidence we have is that consciousness is an emergent property from life.

It's nice to experience, but once its gone, evidence seems to show its gone.

However, I intend to order this book and read it.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:03 PM

16. You ARE life.Can't lose what you are

The opposite of death is not life...it is birth. Life has no opposite and it is not something you "have" but rather something you "are".
You can lose something you have but not something you are.

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 01:18 AM

19. What was I when I wasn't what I am?

And what will I be when I'm not?

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 04:53 PM

8. Woo. Always best to invoke quantum physics.

Lights out. Camera off. Pull the power on your computer. That is how dead is.

Multiverse doesn't explain away death. Even if every possible outcome exists is some segment of the multiverse, that does not alter your local reality, the one where you live, you die.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 05:02 PM

9. The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out, the worms play pinochle in your snout.....

They'll eat your eyes,
They'll eat your nose,
They'll eat the stuff
betweeen your toes.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:01 PM

12. Really great reads and I enjoyed both of them. Thanks for bringing those here.

Also brings me back to what it is to live... Which is likely not what most of us have been taught or believe.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:52 PM

13. It's just one damn thing after the other....

TIME

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 08:41 PM

14. people aren't afraid of dying

 

They're afraid of living.

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Response to fingrinn (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 06:48 PM

27. +1

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:19 PM

17. for me, probably hot

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:23 PM

18. More Than This...there is nothing..




Tikki

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 04:12 PM

20. Space and time....

Einstein said they are the same thing...

No wonder I get Space and Time confused

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 05:32 PM

21. Quiet

Really quiet.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:42 AM

22. If you chop a chair into pieces does the chair still exist?

Most people would say no. All the material that comprised the chair remains but the organization is different so that we would not consider the pile of wood shards to be a chair.

The same with death. In one sense we won't die. All the material and energy that made us up as a person still remains in the universe. Only the organization of the elements is different.

But we consider a particular arrangement of energies and elements to be a person. The physical material can change, we shed cells which are replaced by different but identical cells all our lives. It's the organization of those cells that we call a person.

Also with the energies that power our thinking and movements, when they flow in a particular way within a specific organization of cells we consider it a conscious, living human. Once the flow of energy is disrupted to a certain extent we no longer consider it living person. All the energy still exists but flows in a different pattern so the thing that we considered to be a person, the organization of the body's elements, is gone and therefore the person and his consciousness is gone.

Death destroys everything that we consider to be ourselves even though nothing but the re-organization of our elements has occurred.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:43 AM

23. Don't imagine science implies anything he says

Even granting his dodgy understanding of what an at-best controversial interpretation of quantum theory implies, the leap to assertions of what the experience of what comes "after" death is nothing more that his personal speculation, no more valid than traditional religious claims on the subject or the numerous first-person tales of near-death experiences.

Lanza is a brilliant biologist, but a terrible physicist. In fact, based on what he's written, he seems to be the very worst kind - one who not only doesn't know what he's talking about, but doesn't recognize his own failure to understand.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:12 AM

24. Just like before, except you're dead. nt

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:42 PM

26. It's a logically incorrect question

"Knowing" is a function of a living brain. You can't know anything when not alive.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 06:48 AM

28. There is nothing.

or maybe there is something.
Nobody knows as nobody has been there and back.
Near death is another issue entirely.
But my take is, dead is dead.
I hope I see my granny and ma again, but who knows?

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:42 AM

29. Ever wonder where the light goes when you turn off the light?

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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:16 AM

31. Purchased and Read Biocentrism...

The implications are stunning...
I assume the universe is separate and distinct form consciousness.
Perhaps that is a faulty assumption.
Thinking.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:26 AM

32. Root out and watch

the BBC's Horizon documentary on Reality and what that may or may not be.

I think this is it :

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