Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:26 AM
tama (9,137 posts)
Founding fathers and democracy
I wanted to take a closer look at what David Graeber said about Founding Fathers attitude toward democracy, quick search:
"Hence it is that democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and in general have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths... A republic, by which I mean a government in which a scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking." (James Madison, Federalist Papers, the McClean Edition, Federalist Paper #10, page 81, 1788)
OK, so the Founding Fathers saw authentic democracy as a threat against capitalist class society and the power of priviledged elite. Only reason why US - and other countries with parliamentary kleptocracy - are today called "democracies" is that people - demos - want democracy, not cleptocracy, and it's easiest to fool them by calling oligarchic kleptocracy a "democracy". And when authentic democracy raises its head, such as general assemblies of Occupy, it gets violently suffocated by the kleptocracy. Capitalistic oligarchic ownership cannot and would not survive authentic democracy.
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Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:48 PM
pscot (16,132 posts)
1. There were about 68,000 votes cast in the presidential election of 1800
Out of a population of 5.3 million, 890,000 of whom were slaves.
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