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marmar

(77,052 posts)
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 02:00 PM Sep 2012

Will the GOP Steal America's 2012 Election?


Published on Thursday, September 6, 2012 by Common Dreams
Will the GOP Steal America's 2012 Election?

by Harvey Wasserman and Bob Fitrakis


The Republican Party could steal the 2012 US Presidential election with relative ease.Electronic voting machines in Ohio.

Six basic factors make this year's theft a possibility:

1. The power of corporate money, now vastly enhanced by the US Supreme Court's Citizens' United decisions;

2. The Electoral College, which narrows the number of votes needed to be moved to swing a presidential election;

3. The systematic disenfranchisement of—according to the Brennan Center—ten million or more citizens, most of whom would otherwise be likely to vote Democratic. More than a million voters have also been purged from the rolls in Ohio, almost 20% of the total vote count in 2008;

4. The accelerating use of electronic voting machines, which make election theft a relatively simple task for those who control them, including their owners and operators, who are predominantly Republican;

5. The GOP control of nine of the governorships in the dozen swing states that will decide the outcome of the 2012 campaign; and,

6. The likelihood that the core of the activist "election protection" community that turned out in droves to monitor the vote for Barack Obama in 2008 has not been energized by his presidency and is thus unlikely to work for him again in 2012.


Winning a fair and reliable electoral system can be achieved only with a massive grassroots upheaval.

The power of money is now enshrined by the infamous Citizens United decision. In at least 90% of our Congressional races and at least 80% of our US Senate races, the candidate who spends the most money wins. ...............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/06-4



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Will the GOP Steal America's 2012 Election? (Original Post) marmar Sep 2012 OP
Scares the shit out of me, but it is soooooo true. russspeakeasy Sep 2012 #1
"Will the GOP steal the election again?" fixed that for you. nt Shagman Sep 2012 #2
They can't. The Doctor. Sep 2012 #3
They can't redwhiteblue Sep 2012 #5
I hope you are right but.. defacto7 Sep 2012 #9
Yeah....although it doesn't mean they won't try though. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #11
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's been their plan all along. The Doctor. Sep 2012 #17
They would if they could, even if it were glaringly obvious. Lil Missy Sep 2012 #13
What do you call the "voter suppression" that is already going on in several Cal33 Sep 2012 #14
Just another day at the office for them. The Doctor. Sep 2012 #16
Between voter suppression, purges and electronic voting machines I am really concerned that they Bill USA Sep 2012 #4
And Democrats never did protest very much. It's only been 12 years! Cal33 Sep 2012 #15
Will people... PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #6
That is why the MSM polls keep showing the race as tied...so we won't think there is LoisB Sep 2012 #7
That seems about right. polichick Sep 2012 #10
What about Harry_Scrote Sep 2012 #8
Probably, which is why I can't agree with Harvey Wasserman's number 6. AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #12
In 2000 and 2004 there were no riots. Just a stunned populace. ailsagirl Sep 2012 #21
I hope thay Don't Hab Habit Sep 2012 #18
7 - The Alito/Roberts Election Selection Committee, if all else fails n/t IDemo Sep 2012 #19
Rove hired Mike Connell to fix the 2004 election so Ohio would go to dubya ailsagirl Sep 2012 #20

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
1. Scares the shit out of me, but it is soooooo true.
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 02:06 PM
Sep 2012

A voting machine can be hacked for $100. Let's see, $1 billion divided by $100....that's a lot of machines.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
3. They can't.
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 03:46 PM
Sep 2012

At least not without making it more glaringly obvious than ever before. By that I mean there are too many people aware, damn the polls, that Obama is more popular than Romney by far too much.

It wouldn't be an academic thing like Ohio where everything could be excused away to people that either didn't care or didn't want to know. No, it would be a 'gut' thing where people would be unwilling to accept the weak excuses.

Imagine every single black/AA group, labor union, and teacher's union suddenly jumping into the election fraud issue.

That' would be the consequence of stealing it this time.... at the very least.

redwhiteblue

(29 posts)
5. They can't
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 05:31 PM
Sep 2012

I am very much afraid that they will. Here in Wisconsin, I believe the recall election was dishonest. If President Obama was running in an honest election, he would win hands down. My gosh, wouldn't you think that all the money the Republicans are spending would bring us out of the deficit?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
9. I hope you are right but..
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 09:40 PM
Sep 2012

you said, "At least not without making it more glaringly obvious than ever before." Why would that make a difference? There are a lot of things about the campaign, the politics of the GOP, the money, the Supreme Court, and more, that are more glaringly obvious than it has ever been before.

I wouldn't put it aside and not be very wary, and ready if it happens.

Things are not the way they used to be...

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
11. Yeah....although it doesn't mean they won't try though.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 01:06 AM
Sep 2012

It's going to take a LOT more gaming the system than back in '04, especially given how unpopular Romney is.
TBH, I'm beginning to suspect that the most likely scenario will be that they may actually try to just make it look close enough to look like the Repubs may have a chance in 2016; that could potentially quell some of the talk about election fraud, and give them some time to re-think their strategy......kinda sounds like Rove's backup plan, don'tcha think?

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
17. Actually, I'm pretty sure that's been their plan all along.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 08:07 AM
Sep 2012

I really didn't think of them trying to maintain the appearance that the race was close, but that makes perfect sense now that I think of it.

It's been my theory that TPTB want another 4 years for another economic bubble to grow and to foment ever more fear and hatred of Obama and 'liberals' among their future jackboots.

I'm thinking Nikki Haley will be their candidate for 2016.

Another 'first'.
Daughter of Immigrants.
Articulate and intelligent.

She'll take the independent vote like a Koch takes a forest.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
13. They would if they could, even if it were glaringly obvious.
Fri Sep 7, 2012, 12:57 PM
Sep 2012

They don't even try to hide their ways anymore.

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
16. Just another day at the office for them.
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 07:54 AM
Sep 2012

That's standard procedure. They'll have to go above and beyond in order to swing it for Obama.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
4. Between voter suppression, purges and electronic voting machines I am really concerned that they
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 05:25 PM
Sep 2012

will pull off another Rape of Democracy as in 2000 and no doubt in 2004.

Don't know WHAT will happen if (when) they do.

There should not be ANY electronic voing machines being used.... they are too hackable!!

recommended!

PopeOxycontinI

(176 posts)
6. Will people...
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 06:04 PM
Sep 2012

just sit there and take it like they did before?
I'm afraid of the answer to that. We're entering
a new dark age with iphones.

LoisB

(7,174 posts)
7. That is why the MSM polls keep showing the race as tied...so we won't think there is
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 06:13 PM
Sep 2012

anything suspicious when (if) Raw Money wins.

Harry_Scrote

(121 posts)
8. What about
Thu Sep 6, 2012, 06:14 PM
Sep 2012

...Riots? I mean, if there is any HINT of hinkiness in the election results, won't there be an overwhelming number of people that will NOT sit this result out, the way they did in 2000. Right? Wouldn't it be expensive to everyone to quell the riots? I don't know though...

ailsagirl

(22,885 posts)
20. Rove hired Mike Connell to fix the 2004 election so Ohio would go to dubya
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 09:20 PM
Sep 2012

Then in 2008 Mike Connell was called to testify about his part in the fraudulent activity and, before he could, he crashed and died flying his small plane. Rove had threatened him to take the blame for everything.

This is a condensed version of what happened but it is the bottom line.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Connell


I do know that Rove is very much involved, but behind the scenes. He has a couple of superpacs. And recently he "joked" about murdering Akin.

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