HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Good Reads (Forum) » Will Britain's Declaratio...

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:36 AM

Will Britain's Declaration of War Against International Law Backfire?

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by REP (a host of the Good Reads forum).

Will British Embassies Be Stormed?

##snip##

"If Britain acts on a local statute overturning diplomatic law, Britain will have a tough time convincing other nations not to imitate its footsteps...."

##snip##

More at http://www.opednews.com/articles/Will-Britain-s-Declaration-by-Ruth-Hull-120816-187.html

19 replies, 1498 views

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 19 replies Author Time Post
Reply Will Britain's Declaration of War Against International Law Backfire? (Original post)
Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 OP
Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #1
struggle4progress Aug 2012 #3
JDPriestly Aug 2012 #17
struggle4progress Aug 2012 #2
Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #5
struggle4progress Aug 2012 #11
Swagman Aug 2012 #13
Swagman Aug 2012 #6
Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #9
Swagman Aug 2012 #12
struggle4progress Aug 2012 #10
Downwinder Aug 2012 #4
Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #6
Swagman Aug 2012 #8
Downwinder Aug 2012 #14
Swagman Aug 2012 #15
Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2012 #16
Swagman Aug 2012 #18
REP Aug 2012 #19

Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Original post)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:45 AM

1. If Julian is only wanted for questioning

why can't Sweden interview him in the U.K.? International law is being broken, no question.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:58 AM

3. Res judicata: the extradition request has been held valid by the courts

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:17 AM

17. The Guardian reported that the Ecuadorian Embassy offered an opportunity

to Sweden to question Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy, but Sweden refused.

Sweden just wants an excuse to ship Assange to the US where our national security apparatus can hold a show-trial. Shades of Josef Stalin.

Once the Stalin mentality takes hold in a government bureaucracy it is very hard to get rid of it. We are seeing our nation paralyzed by a growing Stalin-complex in high places.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Original post)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:57 AM

2. The UK is free to expel Ecuador's diplomatic staff and withdraw its recognition of the embassy

There would be no violation of international law if the UK did that, in order to arrest Assange

The UK is very unlikely to do so, because the whole affair and its aftermath would be a bloody nuisance for all parties involved: it would almost certainly lead to severed relations between the UK and Ecuador, for example

Still, the UK has every right to make clear its extreme displeasure at Ecuador for this unnecessary unlawful affair involving Assange. Ecuador's diplomatic mission in the UK is recognized for the purpose of lubricating relations between the sovereign host nation and its sovereign guest. Under international law, Ecuador is expected to honor the laws of the host country while taking advantage of the immunities customarily granted to ease the work and intrinsic insecurity of its mission in London

Unfortunately, by sheltering Assange, Ecuador has shown contempt for the judgments of the UK courts, for the laws of the UK, and for the European nations that negotiated the extradition framework here allowing Assange's extradition to Sweden. Ecuador has further insulted not only the host nation but also Sweden, by suggesting incorrectly that neither of these countries has a fair and impartial judiciary, well-shielded from political pressures. Ecuador has further shown substantial contempt for the UK's diplomatic efforts, over several months, to bring this matter to a mutually-satisfactory conclusion: despite the fact that further discussions had actually been scheduled for 16 August, Ecuador (without informing the UK) simply announced its decision; and despite the fact that the UK had notified Ecuador in advance that no safe-passage for Assange could be arranged, Ecuador made a subsequent point of asking in public for safe-passage for Assange



Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:18 AM

5. Article 29 from link below

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf

"The person of a diplomatic agent shall be inviolable. He shall not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. The receiving state shall treat him with due respect and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, freedom, or dignity."

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:32 AM

11. Assange is not a diplomatic agent. Moreover, the courtesies and immunities customarily

afforded to diplomatic agents do not include indefinite recognition of an agent abusing those courtesies and immunities for non-diplomatic purposes: withdrawal of recognition and expulsion of a guest agent are well within the rights of the host country

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to struggle4progress (Reply #11)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:39 AM

13. and Ecuador has acted lawfully and as it must under it's own laws

by granting asylum to a genuine seeker (in their eyes) just as the USA can and does despite persons being charged with offenses in their homeland (when Assange is only wanted for questioning).

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:25 AM

6. Incorrect: Ecuador has not acted unlawfully

Eucador has concluded that Assange has a genuine fear of being rendered to another country from Sweden and under international law has granted him asylum as it has every right to do.

The USA does it every bloody day with asylum seekers from dictatorial African states that may have a law that demands the death of gays or lesbians. Likewise Britain has done similar for asylum seekers in fear of Iran, Iraq etc.

It may conflict with other rulings but it is legal.

It does so at great risk.

Sweden can solve this now : they can fly to London and interview Assange at the Ecuador Embassy ( as the Ambassador requested they do) and if their case is proved genuine Ecuador would not have a leg to stand on.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Swagman (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:28 AM

9. I'm not saying that

Equador IS acting properly under this Article. And Sweden and the U.K. are kowtowing to the U.S.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:35 AM

12. I know you are not but the hatred for Assange is so deep even on DU

that they make it up as they go along or compartmentalize the issues.

Ecuador has done nothing but act lawfully and the USA has the same provisions for seeking asylum.

Obtaining Asylum in the United States

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=dab9f067e3183210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f39d3e4d77d73210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Swagman (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:30 AM

10. Ecuador already has no leg to stand on

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Original post)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:02 AM

4. Will any Embassy or diplomat be secure

from or in the host country?

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Downwinder (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:25 AM

6. Makes one wonder.

One thing is certain: powerful forces would love to see Assange shut down and put away permanently. To what lengths will they go? And who'da thought Equador would become involved??

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:26 AM

8. and there are DUers who seek the same

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:45 AM

14. Ecuador made an offer earlier to host the web site.

And Ecuador is trying to collect damages from Chevron, so Assange becomes a bargaining chip in another game.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Original post)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:47 AM

15. yes it will backfire badly and create problems worldwide for British emabssies and probably

for many others.

The embassy is called that for a reason. The diplomats are expected to act diplomatically.

The host country should not threaten and harass foreign diplomats as Britain's Foreign Office has stupidly done.

The Prime Minister of Ecuador has a lawful right and duty to consider an application for asylum and has done so.

That duty is despite whatever other laws may be transgressed.

Because Britain's law has been compromised Britain, Sweden and Ecuador must find a diplomatic solution.

The only country who has acted with any honour is Ecuador by negotiating through diplomatic solutions ever since Assange walked in the door.

There is a disgusting and unspoken racism going on here..how dare a tinpot country stand up to mighty Britain.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Swagman (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 01:56 AM

16. The best outcome

would be for Swedish representatives to come to London. It's really stunning when you consider there could be blood spilled ...Britain is gambling a lot.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:22 AM

18. Sweden sent a prosecutor to Serbia earlier this year to interview an alleged murderer

it is a normal every day event yet it has doggedly refused to do so with Assange.
Britain routinely sends detectives to Australia to interview suspects , indeed all over the world.

That should ring alarm bells.

And even worse, if it as they claim about sexual mis-conduct they further increase stress for alleged victims.

But in this black is white and visa versa world we live in, they claim the opposite.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Original post)

Fri Aug 17, 2012, 02:43 AM

19. Locking - does not fit the SoP for Good Reads.

Cannot reply in locked threads

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink