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babylonsister

(171,050 posts)
Sun May 27, 2012, 08:28 AM May 2012

NanceGreggs: Well, If the STFU Fits (An Open Letter to a Closed-Minded Hypocrite)

Posted with permission.

http://www.democratsforprogress.com/2012/05/22/well-if-the-stfu-fits-an-open-letter-to-a-closed-minded-hypocrite/

Well, If the STFU Fits (An Open Letter to a Closed-Minded Hypocrite)
By NanceGreggs, on May 22nd, 2012



An open letter to Cardinal Wuerl:

Sir,

I have read your recent “open letter” with great interest – and no small amount of anger, disbelief and utter disgust.

“This morning, the Archdiocese of Washington filed a lawsuit to challenge the mandate, recently issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, that fundamentally redefines the nation’s long-standing definition of religious ministry and requires our religious organizations to provide their employees with coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives, and sterilization, even if doing so violates their religious beliefs. Just as our faith compels us to uphold the liberty and dignity of others, so too, we must defend our own.”

I always find it astonishing to hear anyone on behalf of the Catholic Church attempting to take the moral high ground on anything – considering the Church’s decades-long behavior with regard to pedophile priests, and the treatment of those whose lives were ruined as a result.

To put it bluntly, sir: You and your colleagues have absolutely no credibility on any issue that requires even a modicum of morals, ethics, or acting in good conscience.
The Church had ample opportunity to oust its pedophiles, turn them over to the proper authorities, and offer solace and compassion to those children who suffered at the hands of their molesters.

Instead, the Church chose to not only cover up for its criminal element, it enabled its known pedophiles by simply transferring them to different parishes where more children could, and did, fall prey to these predators, without warning to new parishes that Holy Mother the Church was placing a child molester in their midst.

In view of the aforesaid, refusing to provide insurance that covers contraception on the basis of it being a violation of your religious beliefs is not only laughable, it is downright insulting.

Where were your religious beliefs when children were being abused, in the worst possible way, by the very people they’d been taught to revere and trust as representatives of Christ on earth? Where was your collective conscience when known pedophiles were relocated and assigned positions that gave them even greater access to innocent children, rather than being excommunicated and handed over for criminal prosecution?

“This lawsuit in no way challenges either women’s established legal right to obtain and use contraception or the right of employers to provide coverage for it if they so choose. This lawsuit is about religious freedom.”

This lawsuit has nothing to do with religious freedom. What it does have to do with is a faith of convenience, i.e. when it is convenient for the Church to follow its conscience, it does so. When it becomes an inconvenience – like having to admit to the wrongdoing of the members of its own clergy, and actually do something about it – the Church’s conscience becomes non-existent.

We have seen that the Catholic Church, along with other “Christian” churches, has a distinct penchant for declaring itself a religious organization when it comes to paying taxes – but has no qualms about expressing political opinions from the pulpit, admonishing its members to withdraw their support from pro-choice or pro-same-sex marriage politicians, even going so far as publicly humiliating prominent Catholics by refusing them communion on the basis of their representation of the political views of the very people who elected them to office.

And we have also seen that such “religious organizations” are the first to raise their upturned palms when it comes to federal funds that support their schools and universities.

“For two millennia, Roman Catholic entities have been engaged in charitable works – serving not just Catholics, but non-Catholics as well, with the understanding that these works are an essential part of Christian love and the practice of the Christian faith… Considering the dedicated efforts put into these good works, it is understandable to feel somewhat disheartened to see our government attempt to force the Church out of the public square. To be clear, that is the message that the HHS mandate conveys: our beliefs are not welcome. Those who have the temerity to hold onto their convictions will be fined.”

Again, sir, I must reiterate the bleeding obvious: The Catholic Church had decades to stand up in the public square and declare its commitment to ridding itself of the pedophiles operating within its midst. Instead, the Church chose to protect the guilty, to enable its molesters, and to use its vast financial resources to fight the lawsuits brought by those who had the temerity to hold onto their conviction that, as children, they should not have been used and abused by sexual predators who operated with the Church’s full knowledge, and its blessing.

If you have gotten this far in my missive, you are undoubtedly shaking your head and wondering why I would raise what you consider to be a topic that is part of an unfortunate past, and one that should be dispensed with and forgotten.

But it will never be forgotten – not by the children who have lived with shame and guilt their whole lives, not by the parents of such children who refused to believe the outrageous “lies” that were later proven to be the truth, not by anyone who has witnessed (as I have in my years as a court reporter) the tactics used by lawyers retained by the Church to discredit and humiliate those strong enough to stand up to the “religious organization” that robbed them of their childhood innocence.

And before you hide (as is your wont) behind the “we had no idea” excuse, I would remind you that lawyers do not act unilaterally, but take instructions from their clients. Ergo, no lawyer would accuse a witness of having seduced an innocent priest as a twelve-year-old boy, or soliciting sexual favors from a priest as a thirteen-year-old girl, without the explicit direction of Holy Mother the Church. You gave your blessing to such tactics, and hoped to God your machinations swayed a judge or jury to see things your way.

“The First Amendment’s guarantee of religious freedom, however, was not meant to protect merely the right to worship, but also the right to contribute the fruits of our faith to the common good … So above all we find cheer in the worthiness of our cause and in the love of our Creator, who imbued us with the very dignity and freedom that this lawsuit seeks to protect.”

You had a worthy cause, sir – one might say it was the worthiest of causes – and you chose to turn that worthy cause into a further assault on the victims who had already been assaulted. You had the chance to stand up for what was right; you chose to stand up for what was expedient, lest the contributions to the Sunday collection plate be placed in jeopardy.

And now you have the gall to hold your Church out as a victim, all the while knowing that the true victims of your Church’s policies have been emotionally devastated – with your fucking self-serving blessing.

“The Church did not choose this fight. It is HHS that has departed from longstanding practice and precedent to change the law; our response merely aims to preserve our existing rights.”

Don’t be so God-damned ignorant, as feigned as it may be. The rights you wish to preserve have nothing to do with religious freedom, and everything to do with the political persuasion you hope to exert. You don’t like the law as it stands? Fine. Then cough up your tax dollars and take a place at the political table. Otherwise, STFU.

“To further advance our support for religious liberty, I invite you to a special event to publicly witness to our faith and our freedom in the nation’s capital. On June 24, 2012, the Archdiocese of Washington will host a “Celebration of Freedom.”

Are the victims of your pedophile priests also invited? Will their voices be heard as part of your “Celebration of Freedom”? I doubt it.

“In the coming weeks and months, may God remind us that the freedom of religion is only meaningful when we exercise it. And may God look with favor on our prayers for the success of this endeavor we have undertaken in His name.”

In the coming weeks and months, may God remind us that freedom of religion does not include the sexual violation of children, the holding back of information that would put the perpetrators of such crimes behind bars, nor the protection and enabling of such predators excused as the right of those who purport to be “religious” entities.

It is a question oft asked of true followers of Christ: What would Jesus do?

I’m confident in believing that He wouldn’t have said, “Fuck the kids, literally, and then count on your Holier-Than-Thou church to cover your pedophile ass.”

Again I repeat, sir: You and your Church have no credibility. Your claims of persecution as a religious group hold no sway. Your arguments about religious freedom are as empty as your souls. Your holding yourselves out as the protectors of the faith is, and always will be, a cruelly laughable example of hypocrisy at its finest.

“Faithfully in Christ, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington.”

Christ has nothing to do with it – but I’ve no doubt you already know that. God handed you an opportunity to stand by your faith and stand for the innocents violated by your own. Your response was to stand with the pedophiles, and accuse the innocents of lies, deceit and, ultimately, sexual seduction.

You have no shame, sir
– and your current outcry of being persecuted for your faith is a clear demonstration of your lack thereof. Your so-called religious beliefs are a matter of political convenience – nothing more.

Faithfully in Christ and His actual teachings, as opposed to your hypocritical rhetoric,
Nance Greggs
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NanceGreggs: Well, If the STFU Fits (An Open Letter to a Closed-Minded Hypocrite) (Original Post) babylonsister May 2012 OP
Nance at her VERY BEST. lamp_shade May 2012 #1
I'm so glad to see Nance here again....thanks....n/t prairierose May 2012 #2
Recced, thanks for posting. Scuba May 2012 #3
Out of the ballpark, clear past the parking lot! pacalo May 2012 #4
Very well said, Nance. gademocrat7 May 2012 #5
She's right BeyondGeography May 2012 #6
K & R cate94 May 2012 #7
The RCC is exhibiting the typical rot of an Authoritarian regime. Ikonoklast May 2012 #8
Unfortunately, STFU is cool to say, but unconstitutional to force upon anyone. Lionessa May 2012 #9
The Church wants the Court The Wizard May 2012 #10
Pedophilia aside... The Blue Flower May 2012 #11
K&R for awesomeness! nt raouldukelives May 2012 #12
K&R!!!! cliffordu May 2012 #13
recced, but a little off-target. caseymoz May 2012 #14
Excellent piece from the inimitable Nance Greggs GoneOffShore May 2012 #15
An excellent rant, and quite justified. I too am amazed by the sheer hubris of the Catholic Church NC_Nurse May 2012 #16
It's time to throw the book at this morally bankrupt racket. Joe Bacon May 2012 #17
Well done, my dear Nance! CaliforniaPeggy May 2012 #18
Miss you Nance! Dragonbreathp9d May 2012 #19
The fact that NanceGregg got chased off here DonCoquixote May 2012 #20
Noob here... wha' happened to Nance? Seems like a great voice to me! nt daaron May 2012 #27
long story short DonCoquixote May 2012 #33
Amen!! A HUGE loss. lamp_shade May 2012 #34
Kick. lamp_shade May 2012 #42
That's not what happened and she didn't have to leave. Hissyspit May 2012 #35
K & R Scurrilous May 2012 #21
As an ex Catholic Hispanic DonCoquixote May 2012 #22
Thanks, babylonsister and Nance! You said it all. freshwest May 2012 #23
A question: do churches have religious freesom at all? mysuzuki2 May 2012 #24
The "Church" has a long history of using state power by proxy to enforce, with police power, dogma TahitiNut May 2012 #25
If this was a petition, I'd sign it! nt daaron May 2012 #26
Link posted to my facebook. lamp_shade May 2012 #28
When the Catholic Church talks about religious freedom, GETPLANING May 2012 #29
Sad but true. calimary May 2012 #37
Wonderful letter, Worried senior May 2012 #30
Rock on Nance! JNelson6563 May 2012 #31
bullseye again ~ Nance for Delphic Oracle ! FraDon May 2012 #32
as always, Nance kicks ass!! hwmnbn May 2012 #36
Amen! gater May 2012 #38
Bravo! I do believe Jesus would understand. lamp_shade May 2012 #40
Talk about a Righteous Rant! Dem_in_Nebr. May 2012 #39
My wife left the Catholic Church decades ago DFW May 2012 #41
A belated kick! DemocratsForProgress May 2012 #43

cate94

(2,810 posts)
7. K & R
Sun May 27, 2012, 10:29 AM
May 2012

Perhaps you could send a copy to Cardinal Doyle. He is also a real piece of work....

Almost everyday I hear news from the church that makes me want to scream. I am an ex catholic and when members of the hierarchy open their mouths it makes me more convinced that I want nothing to do with the Catholic Church.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
8. The RCC is exhibiting the typical rot of an Authoritarian regime.
Sun May 27, 2012, 10:37 AM
May 2012

Until its membership finally wakes up and exerts influence and some control over the hierarchy, the RCC will let children get molested and then dun its members to pick up the tab.

Until a diocese is sued into bankruptcy by the survivors of institutionalized sexual abuse (see: the Archdiocese of Philadelphia) and the parishioners get stuck with the bill, nothing will change.

Yet the domestic representatives of a foreign power (yes, the Vatican is a State) use the dodge of religion to hide behind in their money-raising scheme.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
9. Unfortunately, STFU is cool to say, but unconstitutional to force upon anyone.
Sun May 27, 2012, 10:37 AM
May 2012

The Catholic Church needed to be shut down, not shut up. How an entity filled with pedophiles and those that cover for them is still allowed to be one of the largest US land owners, largest employers (if you take all their medical and "charitable" entities as parts and look at the whole), largest religious bully on politics.... all without paying a dime in taxes.

Nance, as usual, you have it wrong, they shouldn't STFU. We need to rescind it's religious standing within US borders, nothing shy of that will really ever end the Catholics' ability to abuse and coverup one outrage after another.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
10. The Church wants the Court
Sun May 27, 2012, 10:43 AM
May 2012

to do its bidding. The Church can't offer a logical argument against birth control so it's turned to the Court to enforce religious dogma. This clear violation of the Church State separation gives cause for the Church to pay its fair share of taxes. They're kind of like the one percent that uses the resources provided by government but unwilling to pay their dues. Jesus had some pretty good ideals and ideas. Playing doctor is no where to be found in anything he said.

The Blue Flower

(5,439 posts)
11. Pedophilia aside...
Sun May 27, 2012, 10:45 AM
May 2012

I still want them to explain how undermining the health of women is moral in any respect. And forcing your employees no matter what their beliefs to follow your beliefs does not in any way, shape, or form promote freedom of religion.

Of course the bishops are hypocrites of the worst order and belong in the lowest ring of Dante's Inferno, but they also make absolutely no sense at all.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
14. recced, but a little off-target.
Sun May 27, 2012, 11:16 AM
May 2012

As much as I hate to say it, what happened to the children has no bearing on the First Amendment separation of church and state.

The church is wrong in this way: if its going to run secular services, like hospitals and schools, it has to treat its non-clergical employees the way any other secular organization has to under the law. The SCOTUS has made that distinction clear. I think Scalia even made that ruling.

The compromise offered by the Obama administration is that the employees have the right to deal with the insurance company directly on the issue of contraception, taking the church out of the loop. This is a matter of the church interfering with a transaction between their employee and a third party. That's not the church exercising its rights under the First Amendment. That's the church butting into somebody else's business.

Now that I've made that point, I'll say, yes, and it's a deranged child-molesters' support group that's telling us how moral this is and how the First Amendment should be interpreted. Surprised?

NC_Nurse

(11,646 posts)
16. An excellent rant, and quite justified. I too am amazed by the sheer hubris of the Catholic Church
Sun May 27, 2012, 11:18 AM
May 2012

after they have been exposed for the most disgusting child abuse scandal of our time. They should be hanging their heads in shame, but these days the most heinous of criminals just double down on their self-righteousness and yell even louder.

I can't imagine this is winning them more allegiance from the reality based community. Hopefully, this kind of crap will hasten the end of all religion. That would be grand.

Joe Bacon

(5,164 posts)
17. It's time to throw the book at this morally bankrupt racket.
Sun May 27, 2012, 11:33 AM
May 2012

It's time to toss every pedophile priest and everyone who covered their crimes in jail and toss the key away.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
20. The fact that NanceGregg got chased off here
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:01 PM
May 2012

By idiots on the "Centrist" side, as well as a few on the Ralph Nader sides, was a low moment for DU.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
33. long story short
Sun May 27, 2012, 03:16 PM
May 2012

She was too far left for the centrists, not left enough for the rightists, so both wailed on her full force, and she said to hell with it. DU will survive as a forum, but for way too long, people were allowed to be bullies on here, and we lost good people as a result.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
22. As an ex Catholic Hispanic
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:06 PM
May 2012

I can only cheer this. Never mind that these priests in the white churches were often sent to Hispanic ones, ones where the little brown boys had no lawyers, never mind that fact that the Church counts on Hispanics as we are the main clients on the three American continents, never mind that so many of the Bishops and Cardinals that made these decisions are all white as cream.

What happened was just wrong, simply_____WRONG. And when a Church cannot even protect it's children, that Church needs to have it's tables smashed.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
24. A question: do churches have religious freesom at all?
Sun May 27, 2012, 01:43 PM
May 2012

or do only individuals have such rights? I am inclined to think rights should reside only in individuals, not organizations. Therefore, the "church" should follow the law regarding contraception coverage and individuals should decide whether to use them or not.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
25. The "Church" has a long history of using state power by proxy to enforce, with police power, dogma
Sun May 27, 2012, 02:03 PM
May 2012

... of which they have FAILED to convince their own congregants. The "Church" has historically relied more on FORCE than FAITH.

GETPLANING

(846 posts)
29. When the Catholic Church talks about religious freedom,
Sun May 27, 2012, 02:43 PM
May 2012

they aren’t talking about your religious freedom. They are talking about their freedom to tell others what to do, their right to curb the freedom of others.

calimary

(81,192 posts)
37. Sad but true.
Sun May 27, 2012, 07:24 PM
May 2012

I participated in a discussion in which someone made the very good point that the Catholic hierarchy, that exclusive men's club of bishops and cardinals out there making all these dictatorial political statements and decrees, is comparable to the Roman Catholic Church's 1%. They're the ones presiding over large, lavishly designed and decorated cathedrals, with their own secretaries and extensive layers of staffers and large office complexes, out making personal appearances and getting press, and hob-knobbing with other dignitaries. Many of them drive pretty nice cars (or have drivers for that) plus a retinue of assistants and spokespeople, and they wear beautiful and costly priestly garb and vestments, and, usually, at least one very nice, large, and expensive ring. Plus if you're at bishop or cardinal level, the probability is quite high that your rectory and living quarters are not exactly slums.

Besides, that's where most of the nuns operate. That's THEIR thing - the slums. They're more like the Catholic Church's 99%. They're the ones, always women-only, who tend to go out into the low-income areas and actually administer to what Some Guy once referred to as "the least of these," working with the poor, the sick, the dying, the homeless, the abandoned, even the incarcerated. They're the ones actually out there on the front lines getting their hands dirty up to their eyebrows. And it seems to me they're the ones able to speak with a galaxy's worth more credibility about the true message of Christ than do the pampered males who out-rank them, and make sure they stay classified as second-class Church citizens. And they're the ones who've lately been getting dumped on by the Vatican because - how dare they - they've been spending all their time and energy on the poor instead of speaking out against abortion and contraception and also, of course, President Obama.

And that's awfully sad but true too.

My church sure could use a complete overhaul. And, for a change - some women at the command level, since the bishops and cardinals also often lament the shortage of priests.

Oh gosh - on edit, forgot to thank Nance! Another brilliant rant, milady! I salute you!

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
31. Rock on Nance!
Sun May 27, 2012, 03:06 PM
May 2012

Too bad she can't post here and just ignore the...unproductive comments. That'd be great.

Julie

gater

(297 posts)
38. Amen!
Sun May 27, 2012, 08:51 PM
May 2012

Last edited Sun May 27, 2012, 09:53 PM - Edit history (1)

I am a Liturgical Minister in a Catholic church in Columbus Ohio. I read at mass today but walked out when this matter was brought up in the context of "the war against religion by our governement." I believe that is what Jesus would have done too. I don't think I am a Liturgical Minister anymore...

DFW

(54,330 posts)
41. My wife left the Catholic Church decades ago
Mon May 28, 2012, 12:15 PM
May 2012

She is a professional social worker. Guess who some of her clients were. Small wonder!

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