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Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:43 PM

Rachel Maddow Makes History and Triumphs over the War On Women


Rachel Maddow Makes History and Triumphs over the War On Women

Republicans tried to target Rachel Maddow in their war on women, but Maddow made history by calling out the GOP’s condescending misogyny on Meet The Press.

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FULL article and video here: http://www.politicususa.com/rachel-maddow-war-on-women.html




The article is a GOOD READ

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Reply Rachel Maddow Makes History and Triumphs over the War On Women (Original post)
Tx4obama Apr 2012 OP
monmouth Apr 2012 #1
rgbecker Apr 2012 #2
Kalidurga Apr 2012 #3
AllyCat Apr 2012 #12
BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2012 #4
whathehell Apr 2012 #19
thucythucy Apr 2012 #5
DallasNE Apr 2012 #35
thucythucy May 2012 #37
PDJane Apr 2012 #6
spooky3 Apr 2012 #10
abolugi Apr 2012 #7
chervilant Apr 2012 #8
whathehell Apr 2012 #21
marshall gaines Apr 2012 #23
whathehell Apr 2012 #24
chervilant Apr 2012 #26
spooky3 Apr 2012 #9
intaglio Apr 2012 #13
intaglio Apr 2012 #13
intaglio Apr 2012 #14
calimary Apr 2012 #33
spooky3 May 2012 #36
calimary May 2012 #38
Politicalboi Apr 2012 #11
elleng Apr 2012 #16
alfredo Apr 2012 #17
HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #18
Stuckinthebush Apr 2012 #20
AlbertCat Apr 2012 #28
Stuckinthebush Apr 2012 #30
marshall gaines Apr 2012 #22
shcrane71 Apr 2012 #25
Old Codger Apr 2012 #27
Maineman Apr 2012 #29
DFW Apr 2012 #31
Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #32
jade3000 Apr 2012 #34

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:00 PM

1. I wonder if Faux will mention the great put-down of that gas bag..Nah...n/t

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:25 PM

2. Even Forbes Magazine shows how women are discriminated against...

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:04 PM

3. This isn't a math is hard question...

I love when she says that. It is so true. It isn't about flexibility. Flexibility, never hurts the employer. If it did even as much as a hangnail it wouldn't happen.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:30 AM

12. I thought his comment about math was playing to the negative stereotype that women are

bad at math. I really liked how she went after him on that. What a douche that guy is.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:23 PM

4. Loved this part; there are men at DU who try to do the very thing Castellanos

was trying...to interrupt, deny, claim "funny math", and that the wage gap doesn't exist.

Rachel Maddow was correct. The interruption by Castellanos was significant, because Republicans don’t want to talk about the war on women. They have adopted the same position towards the rights of women that they long ago adopted towards issues like poverty and racism. It doesn’t exist. Castellanos was trying to muddy the waters with funny math designed to deny the fact that women earn less than men. Women who work full time earn 77% of what men do. Until today, that fact was not in dispute.

Castellanos tried to use different factors to claim that the wage gap doesn’t exist, but even when all factors are taken into account, 41% of the wage gap is unexplained. This means that when a man and a woman have the same background, are doing the same job, and are working the same hours, women still make less money than men.
--emphasis mine

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:30 PM

19. Agreed...I loved watching him "fluster" while he continually tried (and failed) to interrupt.

I thought to myself "Go ahead, bastard, try to 'talk down' to Rachel Maddow...She'll hand you your ass on a platter".

I love Rachel.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:50 PM

5. I loved it when she called this dinosaur out

on his condescension. He went into this whole "I appreciate your passion" jag, and she slammed him on that but good. Such a smarmy thing to say, basically just a replay of the old "You're cute when you're angry" line of BS women used to get all the time.

The whole GOP has evidently been living in a cave for the last 50 years. It's great to have Rachel tell them exactly where they can stuff their faux sympathy and patronizing airs.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:37 PM

35. I Think NBC Is Really Starting To Recognize Her Talent

By giving her exposure on programs like Meet The Press. And her performance Sunday just had to enhance her standing.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #35)

Wed May 2, 2012, 09:58 AM

37. I hope so!

Brilliant, progressive, and unwilling to take s-t from anyone!

Best thing to happen to MTP in a long, long time.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:54 PM

6. They've even managed to dig up Phyllis Schlafly

And put her lies on display everywhere they can get her a podium. Not to mention West's commie fight.

Déjà vu all over again.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:37 PM

10. I flipped out when I heard that nutcase on Diane Rehm's show

Ms. Rehm heard from quite a few listeners about how far Schlafly falls below the standards for that show's guests.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:01 PM

7. Rachel...

my hero!!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:31 PM

8. Being male

anywhere on this planet is a huge advantage.

The power imbalance inherent in the social construct we've labeled 'patriarchy' is damaging to our entire species. How can we expect a 'dominant' gender to respect a 'submissive' gender, when 'power over' is glorified? We women are considered less than because we have a 'v' instead of a 'p'! How absurd!

Some great resources for any who wish to change this oppressive socio-cultural reality:

The Mermaid and the Minotaur: Sexual Arrangements and Human Malaise by Dorothy Dinnerstein.

Beyond Power: On Women, Men and Morals by Marilyn French.

The War Against Women by Marilyn French.

(BTW, I can play math as well as any 'p' on the planet.)

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Response to chervilant (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:41 PM

21. Exactly....I once wrote a children's "educational" play for a grad class called "There but for Y"

It describes the differential treatment of the genders,

while "disguising" the two genders as two groups of space aliens

One group is named one thing and the other something else.

Without giving away the fact that they are human males and females,

They are described as having slightly different body parts

which, when put together "fit" to ensure the success and furtherance of the species (e.g. one has a "tail")

and I describe how even though this is the case, the one group

is given MUCH better treatment than the other and how unfair

and oppressive this was to the other.

At the end, they take off their costumes and reveal themselves as male and female humans

I'm sure it's not "great", but my male teacher liked it ang gave me an A-.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:52 PM

23. ??

 

Being a white male on this planet is a huge advantage and always has been!!!!

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Response to marshall gaines (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:57 PM

24. Absolutely..It's been described as "the last living caste system" which, like the old caste systems,

means you are BORN into it, and can never "rise" out it.

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Response to marshall gaines (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:21 PM

26. Then,

from whence come your question marks? Patriarchy elevates ALL males to 'superior' status, and renders our mythological sky being a FATHER, who sacrificed a SON (long considered the most valuable offspring...wonder why?). I could provide reams of data about patriarchy, but I encourage everyone to read the resources I posted hereinabove, or any of a number of other excellent treatises regarding the dangers and damages inherent in power imbalance.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:36 PM

9. Where is my friend grantcart? S/he would enjoy Alex's use of "I love your passion..."

from his explanation of the Mormon use of the "I love..." phrase.

And, k&r. Rachel is amazing and strong. I wish there were 1000 more like her.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 02:07 AM

13. Link to grantcat's post here

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 06:24 PM

33. I have NEVER heard such patronizing bullshit in my life!!!!!!!

That sanctimonious asshole can go suck it. BIG TIME.

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Response to calimary (Reply #33)

Tue May 1, 2012, 11:08 PM

36. There Is no clearer signal that he's lost the

Argument than personal attacks, condescension, etc.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #36)

Wed May 2, 2012, 08:33 PM

38. Man, no kidding.

He seemed a lot like ann romney in one respect, smirking, and SMUG AS ALL HELL!!!!!!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:42 PM

11. I never watch MTP

But I'm glad I watched Rachel put that asshole and his female counterpart in their place. I have been sick this weekend, and I turned on MTP only to hear Gregory say how Obama is going to use the Osama killing against Rmoney. Fuck you David. Obama has EVERY right to do that.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:51 AM

16. Sounds great, as Rachel usually is,

and in such a forum, excellent.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:34 AM

17. K&R for Rachel

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:48 AM

18. I note the angle he tries to take is classically conservative

He goes immediately to 'system justification' for the existence of inequalities.

It's true he also tries to slide the topic from equal pay for equal work, to one of unequal work--men do 'engineering, etc'

Classic expression of a deep rooted cognitive motivator and he does it in the first seconds of his response.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:30 PM

20. Why does the number of hours worked argument matter?

Aren't we talking about women getting paid a lower rate than men at similar jobs regardless of hours worked?

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Response to Stuckinthebush (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:00 PM

28. Why does the number of hours worked argument matter?

Why?
WHY?

Because of the "marriage factor" of course!










Whatever that is.



Like Rachel says it's not a "Math is Hard" question. It's simply does X=X or not?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 04:20 PM

30. Yeah, it is really odd

How they are able to confuse this issue is beyond me.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 12:49 PM

22. great!

 

SHE'S THE WOMAN!!!!! Dr. Maddow is light years ahead of the repug neanderthals. They must really think all people are sheeple. Her poise nuked him

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:15 PM

25. Rachel showed what a condescending a-hole anyone who poo-poos pay inequity is.

The guy was a complete jerk which surprised Rachel since they "normally get along so well."

Castellanos says if women are paid so much less then employers would be flocking to hire women. That's simplifying the math a bit too much. But since the guy needs everything simplified, here goes.

Women are charged, on average, 30% more for their health insurance premiums.
Most employers pay a portion of those health insurance premiums as part of their benefit packages for employees.
Hiring more women will most likely increase the employer share of health insurance premiums paid for by employers.
Does this make women making 77 cents on the dollar to a make look more appealing as a job applicant? Most likely not.
Not only do women get paid less for the same job, many employers find them less appealing because as the chauvanist kept telling Rachel "Men work more" in other words are more productive. And women are perceived as costing more in benefits.

Another sick/sad thing is that women without children are subsidizing MEN's children. Women are penalized for being mothers. Women are penalized for being potential mothers. Childless women are paying higher insurance premiums to subsidize children that men had something to do with creating. Women: you're damned if you/damned if you don't -- hell, you're just damned. Don't be a woman.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 01:53 PM

27. That was typical

Normal business as usual from the gop side, if you have nothing truthful or constructive to add to the discourse just interrupt constantly to muddy the discussion to a point that all that will really be remembered will be the rudeness involved and most will either give up and not listen anymore or forget the gist of the discussion and focus on that.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 03:29 PM

29. Republicans are such jerks.

I am thinking words other than jerks, but prefer not to publish them.
Every time a Republican opens his or her mouth, I hate them more.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:43 PM

31. Castellanos has ALWAYS been a condescending deceiving SOB

Republicans ALWAYS interrupt because they are terrified some who disagrees with them might have a point.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 05:56 PM

32. The article was a good read.

Thanks for the thread, Tx4obama.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:24 PM

34. Great read & great argument

Great argument by Maddow. She stood up well under that condescending badgering.

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