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Thu Apr 5, 2012, 02:42 AM

LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by Phillip Nelson

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Robert Caro's 4th book about Lyndon Johnson "Passage of Power" is due out May 1st. It should be an interesting book, but it looks like Caro is not going to address exactly how that "passage to power" for Lyndon Johnson occurred.

I am sure many of you folks have read or heard about James Douglass' "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters" which covers JFK's moves towards peace and the CIA role in the JFK assassination.

Well, there is another book that I predict is going to have big impact and it is LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by Phillip Nelson.

http://www.amazon.com/LBJ-The-Mastermind-JFK-Assassination/dp/1616083778/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333607818&sr=8-1

The Kennedys had a lot of enemies and #1 among them was Vice President Lyndon Johnson who had managed to blackmail/strongarm his way onto the Democratic ticket at the convention in July, 1963.

From that point on it was a sub rosa war between the Kennedys and LBJ. JFK, although popular with the American people, was very isolated within his own government. It is not an exagerration to say that JFK and especially Robert Kennedy were hated by LBJ, Hoover, much of the CIA, much of the JCS and powerful outside interests such as LBJ's Texas oil men and the Rockefellers.

Add all that up and you have a JFK assassination executed for a variety of reasons both personal and ideological. Yes, Vietnam and Cuba policy were reasons, but I think that the personal motivations and fears of Lyndon Johnson were a big factor in it.

So check out this book and see if you like it. I highly recommend it!

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Reply LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination by Phillip Nelson (Original post)
321Morrow Apr 2012 OP
1620rock Apr 2012 #1
JDPriestly Apr 2012 #2
monmouth Apr 2012 #8
grasswire Apr 2012 #3
database Apr 2012 #18
Rain Mcloud Apr 2012 #4
A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2012 #5
Rain Mcloud Apr 2012 #10
321Morrow Apr 2012 #13
monmouth Apr 2012 #9
321Morrow Apr 2012 #14
monmouth Apr 2012 #16
David Myers Apr 2012 #15
aquart Apr 2012 #6
database Apr 2012 #17
Owlet Apr 2012 #7
321Morrow Apr 2012 #11
321Morrow Apr 2012 #12
grasswire Apr 2012 #19
Mopar151 Apr 2012 #20
321Morrow Apr 2012 #22
Mopar151 Apr 2012 #27
Archae Apr 2012 #21
321Morrow Apr 2012 #23
Archae Apr 2012 #24
Bill USA Apr 2012 #25
Bill USA Apr 2012 #26
SidDithers Apr 2012 #28
UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #29

Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:00 AM

1. I'd bet the farm that pappy bush had a hand in it.

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:01 AM

2. Bookmarking to see comments of others.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:53 AM

8. Me too....n/t

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:21 AM

3. you can never go too far wrong assigning chicanery and treachery to a Bush.

In our lifetimes, the Bushes have always betrayed America more deeply than we ever could have guessed would happen.

After what we've seen from that clan of ghouls, why should we not suspect they took out JFK?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:20 PM

18. Freedom of Information Act

 

How inanely naive is it to suppose a FOIA request, litigated, could get the documents released or maybe even leaked? Seems too easy. Somebody stop me.

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:03 AM

4. I suspect

 

that there were many bloody hands involved,similar to the roman senate attacking Julius Caesar.
Et tu Brute?
Jackie was apparently terrified of uncle cornpone and went to her grave believing that LBJ was the mastermind of the assassination of her husband.
H.L.Hunt is another suspect and with good reason,Hunt bankrolled people like Eugene McCarthy,Douglas MacArthur and the sole Democrat LBJ.
Hunt was a member of the John Birch society and founded a group against Fidel Castro which joined intelligence agencies with the Mafia as muscle.
Sounds like some compelling books i'll be sure to check them out.

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:02 AM

5. Did you mean Joe McCarthy rather than Eugene McCarthy?

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Response to A-Schwarzenegger (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:20 PM

10. Yes

 

regret the error.

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:04 PM

13. H.L. Hunt funded the American Independent party in 1968

And he insisted that the presidential candidate George Wallace take on Gen. Curtis LeMay as a vice presidential candidate.

I think H.L. Hunt and Curtis LeMay were both involved in the JFK assassination as well. They both hated JFK with a white hot fury.

H.L. Hunt and LBJ and the CIA were probably the 3 big cogs of the JFK assassination.

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:55 AM

9. Let us not leave Ari Onassis out of this equation..n/t

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Response to monmouth (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:04 PM

14. I leave Ari out completely. Had NOTHING to do with it.

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Response to 321Morrow (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:56 AM

16. Read "Roberts' Gemstone Files"..Very interesting....n/t

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:15 AM

15. Jack Ruby accussed LBJ of being behind JFK's assassination.

Don't forget that on more than one occassion, Jack Ruby (in prison, before he died of a fast acting lung cancer that he said had been injected into him while he was in prison) stated that Lyndon Johnson was behind the assassination and that if Adlai Stevenson had been selected as Vice President to JFK, rather than LBJ, the assassination would never have taken place.

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:46 AM

6. Well, if he did it, he didn't get much joy of it.

The job pretty much killed him.

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Response to aquart (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 09:16 PM

17. nice guys

 

couldn't a happened to a nicer guy

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:23 AM

7. Yawn...Another day, another JFK conspiracy theory (eom)

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:53 PM

11. Imho GHW Bush was one of the CIA guys "making it all happen" for LBJ

There are some high quality JFK researchers like Bruce Campbell Adamson and Wim Dankbaar and Paul Kangas who think that CIA George Herbert Walker Bush, then age 39 played a big role in the JFK assassination.

So does Russ Baker, auther of "Family of Secrets."

I agree. What many folks don't know is that the same people who supported Lyndon Johnson - CIA, Texas oil, military contractors, CFR were the SAME folks who supported Republican George Herbert Walker Bush, who says he can't remember where he was on the day of the JFK assassination.

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 09:55 PM

12. Russ Baker on GHW Bush and his Unanswered Questions

http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/02/19/unanswered-questions-as-obama-anoints-hw-bush/

"Unanswered Questions as Obama Anoints HW Bush" by Russ Baker

On February 15, President Obama bestowed the Medal of Freedom, the United States’ highest award, to a group of people which includes former president George H.W. Bush. Having spent five years researching the elder Bush and discovering a staggering array of secrets to the man’s life—none of them favorable, I was curious why Obama gave Bush the medal.

Officially, it goes to individuals “who have made especially meritorious contributions to the security or national interests of the United States, to world peace, or to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.” In fact, it goes to all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons. In the case of Bush, it was an obligatory Washington ritual for a former President who is in the last chapter of his life.

Notwithstanding the inevitability of the process, President Obama needed to trot out some explanation or other as to why each recipient was deserving. In remarks at the ceremony, he said that H.W.’s “His life is a testament that public service is a noble calling….his humility and his decency reflects the very best of the American spirit.” And he referred to Mr. Bush’s “extraordinary life of service and of sacrifice.”

His life has certainly been extraordinary. Though whether “decency” is the right term, or whether his activities “reflect the very best of the American spirit,” or whether his has been a “life…of sacrifice” seem to be debatable.

There’s another side to the elder Bush. It goes to the heart of his purported “humility,” and whether it is truly humility—or his need to hide so many secrets. Especially as it relates, remarkably, to the assassination of another president, John F. Kennedy.

Here are some questions that must be asked of George H.W. Bush, while he is still around to be asked. These questions are based on revelations from my book, Family of Secrets: the Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years, copies of which can be found in major American bookstores and libraries, including the Library of Congress. The underlying points are all documented and footnoted—and some of these questions have appeared before in an earlier post on this site and others.

-Former president Bush, we all know that you served for a single year as director of the Central Intelligence Agency. What about the fact trail suggesting that, just like the Russian leader Vladimir Putin, you actually spent your entire adult life prior to becoming vice president working in covert operations—but unlike Putin, have not admitted that? What about documentation showing that, as far back as the early 1950s, your small but hyperactive company, Zapata Offshore, was commercial cover for super-secret ops?

-Some years ago you claimed not to remember where you were on the morning of Nov. 22, 1963? Have you since been able to recall?

-Can you tell us about your decades-long friendship with George de Mohrenschildt, the man who was in and out of Lee Harvey Oswald’s house on almost a daily basis in the year before the Kennedy assassination?

-Did you, as characterized in an FBI memo, work as a CIA officer in tandem with Cuban exiles at the time of the Kennedy assassination?

-Why have you never spoken publicly about the documented call you made to the FBI on Nov 22, 1963, in which you identified yourself fully and claimed to have information on a possible suspect in Kennedy’s death? What was the purpose of that call, in which you mentioned your whereabouts at the time of the call, 1:45pm, as Tyler, Texas, i.e. about 99 miles away but just a short flight on the private plane on which you were traveling? Why did you tell the FBI that you were en route next to Dallas and would stay at the Sheraton there when you had already been at the Sheraton the night before—and right after that call flew to Dallas but only to switch planes and fly back immediately to Houston? Why were you giving the FBI the impression you would be staying in Dallas the night after the assassination instead of letting them know you had stayed there the night before the assassination?

-Why was your own assistant at the home of the man you would finger as a suspect in the shooting, and why did he end up providing the man with an alibi? Was the ultimate purpose of that call not to cause the alleged suspect any permanent harm, but merely to use the call as an excuse to state in government files that you were in a place other than Dallas?

-Since you claimed not to remember where you were when Kennedy was killed, how is it that after these FBI memos surfaced, your wife Barbara suddenly found and published an old letter placing you and her in Tyler, Texas shortly after the shooting?

-On the day of the assassination, were you in touch with your friend and Republican running mate Jack Crichton, a military intelligence figure who was connected to figures forcing their way into the pilot car of Kennedy’s motorcade? The same Crichton who controlled the man who served as the interpreter between Oswald’s wife and police and reframed her words so as to implicate Oswald in Kennedy’s shooting? The same Crichton who was working out of a secret underground communications bunker below the streets of Dallas? The same Crichton whose secret military intelligence unit counted dozens of men who simultaneously held jobs as Dallas police officers? The same Crichton who did secret oil industry intelligence work in the Middle East while you did intelligence related oil industry work via your company, Zapata Offshore?

-Finally, do you know people who consider the events of November 22, 1963 to, in their minds, “reflect the very best of the American spirit?” You say almost nothing, ever, about the Kennedy assassination, even skipping over it in your own memoir, which details much more trivial events of the same year. Why is that? And why then, in your eulogy for former President Ford, a member of the increasingly-discredited Warren Commission, did you go out of your way to oddly praise him for promoting the increasingly-discredited “single bullet theory?” You said:

“After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness. And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford’s word was always good.”

Why did you, so bizarrely, smile when you uttered those words?

Now, with your Medal of Freedom, given you by a Democratic president who ran as an agent of change, you truly seem to be enjoying the last laugh.

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Response to 321Morrow (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 11:14 PM

19. thanks for posting that excerpt n/t

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:04 AM

20. How does the E. Howard Hunt "rouges gallery" fit in? n/t

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:08 PM

22. CIA and E. Howard Hunt were involved

Read this: http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_last_confessions_rolling_stone.htm

“Having Kennedy liquidated, thus elevating himself to the presidency without having to work for it himself, could have been a very tempting and logical move on Johnson’s part,” the late E. Howard Hunt wrote in his book, American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate & Beyond. “LBJ had the money and the connections to manipulate the scenario in Dallas and is on record as having convinced JFK to make the appearance in the first place.”

LBJ used his CIA-military connections to murder JFK. Many of these folks were incensed over JFK's Cuba policy: not sending the full military in at Bay of Pigs, not bombing during Cuban Missile Crisis (we now know WWIII was very possible) and JFK's behind the scenes attempts at reconciation with Castro.

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Response to 321Morrow (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:14 PM

27. I read the original RS article - it's why I asked the question

My takeaway from all this is that, while there may be different versions of exactly what happened - a segment of the CIA near the top of the organisation, and their associates - the "rogues gallery", and their various "assets" - decided their personal survival , and survival of their causes, required JFK's asassination.
IMHO, the world today would be a better place if these "causes" had been quashed - after the assasination, these creeps and their succesors (Ted Shackley comes to mind) spread paranoid madness, torture and killing around the world like a virus.

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:16 PM

21. Another horseshit conspiracy theory based on nothing.

The movie "JFK" was 99% fiction, BTW.

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Response to Archae (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:09 PM

23. What CIA Pegasus agent Trenton Parker told Rodney Stich

I have always thought there was a lot of truth in this:

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, Johnson of Texas, George Bush, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, Hoover, where Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition p. 638-639]


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Response to 321Morrow (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 07:54 PM

24. It's still nothing.

One guy's account of what he might have heard from somebody but the "evidence" has conveniently disappeared.

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:15 PM

25. Naw, it was aliens from mars, who got tired of eatin them cars....yeah, it was, uh-huh.

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 08:19 PM

26. I think you were looking for this forum.. see link...

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Response to Bill USA (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:33 AM

28. +1...nt

Sid

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Response to 321Morrow (Original post)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 08:46 AM

29. Locking thread.

 

Conspiracy theory. It's an Amazon book review, not an article. Please repost in the Creative Speculation forum.

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