AZ falls. If 4 more states vote 4 Constitutional Convention? Completely closed borders, no Roe v Wa
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AZ falls. If 4 more states vote 4 Constitutional Convention? Completely closed borders, no Roe v Wade, no EPA. THIS is their end game.
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Bayard
(22,035 posts)Checked Snopes. Nothing on there.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)I remember that and felt such a cold chill; but of course everyone thought that Hillary would win and it seemed to go unnoticed.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)and there is nothing being said about it. 4 more states?
rsdsharp
(9,161 posts)allows the states to call for a constitutional convention for the purpose of proposing amendments.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
As you can see it requires 2/3 of the state legislatures to vote for the convention. If only 4 more states are required, that would mean that Arizona is the 30th state to call for a convention. That isn't true.
In addition, whatever a convention proposed would still have to be approved by 3/4 of the states. There aren't 38 states that stupid. They all aren't Kansas, Wisconsin and Arizona.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)I hope you are right because what they laid out at the RNC was heart stopping.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,370 posts)Hey, wouldnt it be cool to have a constitutional convention? Oh, hell no
Right-wingers are tiptoeing toward calling a constitutional convention and that could turn into an epic disaster
Paul Rosenberg
With an authoritarian bully in the White House, producing an almost daily flow of erratic threats, it can be quite a challenge to focus on other threats to the fundamental soundness of American democracy. Which is all the more reason to pay attention to them. One such threat is the prospect of a constitutional convention, called under Article V of the U.S. Constitution. In theory this provision exists as a backstop guarantor of democracy, but no such convention has been called since the 18th century. In practice, steered by conservative activists and monied special interests it could serve as a means for utterly eroding both Americans faith in and capacity for democratic self-governance.
Common Cause recently sent out an alert warning that Wyoming had become the 29th state to call for an Article V convention to enact a balanced budget amendment, leaving activists just five states short of reaching the constitutionally required 34-state goal. Article V dictates that a constitutional convention can be called in one of two ways: Through a two-thirds vote in both houses of Congress, or by legislative majorities in two-thirds of the states. It is not just an idle threat. ... After a number of states passed balanced budget amendment calls in the 70s and 80s, the movement stalled for many years, Scott Swenson, the vice president of communications for Common Cause, told Salon. Recently the idea has once again gained serious financial backing from a few very wealthy special interests who find democracy inconvenient, he went on. They have used vehicles like the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which Swenson described as a group that gets corporations to launder money as dues that are deductible, to then turn and lobby state legislatures to pass model bills that give corporations more power.
Common Cause sounded the alarm last year with a detailed report, The Dangerous Path: Big Moneys Plan to Shred the Constitution, which managed to attract some attention amid the tumultuous presidential campaign. As In These Times reported, the ALEC-affiliated Balanced Budget Amendment Task Force (BBATF) has gained ground rapidly since it was formed in 2010: BBATF has since passed resolutions in Alabama (2011), New Hampshire (2012), Ohio (2013), Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Michigan, Louisiana (2014), South Dakota, North Dakota, Utah (2015) and West Virginia (2016), bringing the total to 28.
Americans should be alarmed because those pushing for a constitutional convention are close to thrusting us into a constitutional crisis, Swenson said, and frankly, the chaos that currently surrounds the Trump administration has most Americans feeling off balance already. ... Once a constitutional convention is called, all bets are off. Regardless of why a convention is called, there is nothing to stop it from becoming a runaway convention that could ultimately overhaul the U.S. Constitution completely, Swenson explained. Unfortunately, the framers provided no details on how such a convention would be conducted and no brakes to stop a runaway convention. There is also no guidance on how delegates are to be chosen or even how legal disputes about the process would be settled.
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Paul Rosenberg is a California-based writer/activist, senior editor for Random Lengths News, and a columnist for Al Jazeera English. Follow him on Twitter at @PaulHRosenberg.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)They can propose amendments all day long, but any proposed would require the ratification of 38 state legislatures. For reference, Drumpf won 30 states.
I agree though that a convention would add to the social upheaval and would be bad for the country.
Verbose Matthias
(68 posts)Speaking for myself, no thanks!
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)Linked to your thread in a reply.