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Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:52 PM

Shaking with Rage! They talk about "Real Rape" and an End to Contraception

TUE FEB 21, 2012 AT 08:11 AM PST
Shaking with Rage! They talk about "Real Rape" and an End to Contraception, Part 1
byLiberal GrannyFollow

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I got married the first time when I was 22 in Arizona. I was still a virgin because they would not prescribe birth control pills until the marriage was advertised in church, called the bans of marriage. Then they would only start the prescription three months before the marriage date. Condoms? Only men could buy them because they were behind the counter. The pharmacist controlled who bought them. This was what it was like back then.

It wasn't that I wanted to wait until 22 to have sex, it was because I intended to go to college and get out of poverty. I knew that a pregnancy would end that dream completely. Back in 1963, the year I graduated high school, only girls who got caught with pregnancy stopped working on their dreams. I decided that wouldn't be me.

After I was on the pill enough, shortly before the wedding, I tried to seduce my fiance. He told me that we should save something for the marriage. Colder water did not exist. Later in the marriage he called me a nymphomaniac because I wanted to have sex two or three times a week. He also believed women couldn't orgasm often due to their biology. This is the crap that was taught back then. I finally got a divorce after seven years and two children.

A note on that marriage: The doctor had told him that no matter what I said on the wedding night, just keep going and break the hymen. I asked him to stop because it hurt so much, and he went right ahead. I bled so much on the hotel mattress that he turned it over so we could go to sleep. Ever the optimist, I kept going for the pleasure. Hence the nymphomaniac. This was what it was like back then.

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Reply Shaking with Rage! They talk about "Real Rape" and an End to Contraception (Original post)
kpete Feb 2012 OP
CanonRay Feb 2012 #1
raccoon Feb 2012 #2
handmade34 Feb 2012 #3
Lugnut Feb 2012 #10
shcrane71 Feb 2012 #4
flpab Feb 2012 #5
shcrane71 Feb 2012 #7
BigDemVoter Feb 2012 #14
shcrane71 Feb 2012 #15
AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #16
jis6255xe Feb 2012 #6
murielm99 Feb 2012 #8
raccoon Feb 2012 #13
SunSeeker Feb 2012 #9
Rhiannon12866 Feb 2012 #11
SunSeeker Feb 2012 #17
DesertFlower Feb 2012 #12
Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #18
olegramps Feb 2012 #19
Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #20

Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:56 PM

1. Santorum's "good ole days"

But even those days may be too advanced for him. Think 13th Century.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:11 PM

2. Yes, that is what it was like back then. Rec'd. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:21 PM

3. "This was what it was like back then..."

I was there... we shouldn't have to fight this fight again; but we will and we will win...

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!!!!

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:08 AM

10. This really ticks me off.

I'm the same age as Liberal Granny and she is not exaggerating. It's outrageous that we are being threatened with a return to those days.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:26 PM

4. It's heartbreaking to listen to 70 year-old women, choking back tears as they say that

they worked so hard to make it better for their daughters, and they can't believe that we're going through these battles again.

Why don't Christians try to eradicate poverty? Someone should suggest that to them.

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:39 PM

5. planned parenthood in 1972

Was a Godsend for women like myself. We could get married, go to a home for unwed mothers and then have the baby taken or go to NYC for an abortion. I got my first BC from planned parenthood. My Mom is 87 and her best friend died from a botch abortion in 1943. The guy was shipped overseas and she was desperate. My mom said she didn't even tell her but she died from bleeding to death. My mom is pro-choice and a very good Christian women. I took a tour walk in Dublin from a women that was doing her doctorate on infanticide in Ireland before the days of contraception. Hard times and women today just don't know how far we have come and now this. If you don't have a vagina stfu.

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Response to flpab (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:03 PM

7. My grandmother worked for a doctor in the '60s. She was adamantly pro-choice

As Grandma would say, "You can't believe how butchered those poor girls who had back-ally abortions were... Just butchered."

Contraception, abortion... they all need to be safe and legal. We can't go backwards.

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:45 AM

14. Sounds like MY Grandmother!

She died last summer at 102-years-old.

She always said how disgusted she was that a "bunch of old men in Washington made decisions about the legality of abortion for women."

It's still true. What's truly wonderful is that these asshats are going to drive themselves off the cliff with this!!

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:50 AM

15. I hope you're right. A young friend of mine canvassed South Dakota a few years back

when they were attempting to push out their last abortion provider (which, I believe, they did). Sadly, she and many canvassers said that the younger women were the most unreceptive to maintaining access to legal abortions. The older women were the most enthusiastic and receptive audience -- especially the ones that lived prior to Roe v. Wade.

I fear that the younger generations are going to take for granted their freedoms and access to safe, legal medical treatment, and vote against their own interest.

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Response to flpab (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:56 AM

16. I will not STFU.

But fortunately, I don't have to, because I am on your side.

What kind of a dick doesn't support the health and well being of a woman he cares about?

Answer: A man who only pretends to care about that woman.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:53 PM

6. santorum = scum

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 11:18 PM

8. I was there, too.

When I went to my family doctor to renew my birth control pills in 1971, he told me no. He said that I had been married for a couple of years, and I had had time to "adjust" to marriage. Now, it was time for me to start a family.

I was flabbergasted. I found another doctor, too.

I can remember sitting with a friend who had had a botched abortion, while we were both college students. We were afraid to take her to the hospital, and afraid she was going to die. I know she wanted to get married and have children someday. I hope she was able to have those children.

We were close enough to Chicago that eventually we found out about Jane. Jane was a very secretive network of abortion services that was safe and discreet. To this day, I don't think people know much about Jane.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:05 AM

13. That doctor sounds like a class A prick. I'm glad you found another doc. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:38 AM

9. I am so thankful to those pioneering women, they saved me from that hell.

My heart aches for them though. The best part if their youth was stolen from them. If it wasn't for contraception and feminist books that taught me about my body, my first time would have been like theirs.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:00 AM

11. I certainly agree. It sounds like a pretty frightening world... :(

Did you read "Our Bodies Ourselves?" I was on "The Health Committee" in college, and we got the school to give a copy to all incoming female freshmen.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:58 AM

17. YES! That's exactly the book I was talking about! OMG!

I wish I still had my old dog-eared copy of it. I think I had one of the first editions. That book should be required reading for every girl before her first period. And you're a hero for getting your college to give it out.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:46 AM

12. i lost my virginity in '59 -- one month before

my 18th birthday. i met my first husband 2 months later. by that time i had had sex with about 4 different men. guess i was "ahead of my time" -- no guilt. i got pregnant in '60. we got married and our only child was born in '61. condoms were the only form of conception back then. i remember hearing about the pill shortly after my son was born.

i was always very "sexual". we separated in early '67 and i went wild. it was the time of "make love -- not war" and i did. met my 2nd husband late '70. we married in '71 and are still together. we were faithful to each other.

over the years i tried the pill, but didn't like the side effects so i got an IUD.

women have come a long way and they want us to go back to the old ways. not going to happen.

my nieces (28 and 30) became sexually active in their teens. my sister took them to the doc and put them on the pill. no unwanted pregnancies. my 30 year old niece gave birth to her son 1-1/2 years ago. they saved and waited till they had enough money for a down payment on a house before starting a family. there planning on having a 2nd child in about a year. her sister (age 28) is single and says she never wants children. thank goodness she won't be forced into having one.

BTW. i got my first IUD at the clinic at mt. sinai hospital. it cost $10.00. we didn't have much money and no health insurance.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:52 AM

18. Wow! I'm from the same generation and having flashbacks.

I have a daughter, granddaughters and a great granddaughter. I don't want their access to reproductive health decided by a bunch of men.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:12 PM

19. What has amazed me is that it is men who are most vocal on abortion.

I was raised a Catholic and it wasn't until I got to college that my eyes were open to the reality of the situation. After reading extensively I could only conclude that the Church was taken over by heretics, such as Augustine, who condemned human sexuality as lust and only excused by procreation. I consider anyone who takes a vow to never marry to be in direct opposition to the very first commandment that young people were to sever their ties to their parents and become one. This has always been held as a primary duty by Jews. If their nature is such that they are attracted to the same sex, so be it. But the Catholic Church's insistence for centuries that the state of celibacy was a more holy state than marriage is contradicted by scripture and the teachings of the Fathers of Church. The practice of celibacy was rooted in pagan mystical religions and expounded by a number of Greek philosophers including Plato who remained unmarried. So I have no problem in disregarding the ranting of men who lead a unnatural life style in contradiction to the basic religious teaching they claim to represent. The fact of the matter was that the earliest teaching listed marriage as a requirement. As stated in 1 Timothy 3, "For if a man does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of the church of God?" Santorum missed his calling and should have thrown in his lot with heritics that dominate the church.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:29 PM

20. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

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