Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

niyad

(113,246 posts)
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:20 PM Feb 2015

Why Don’t Americans Know What Really Happened in Vietnam?

Why Don’t Americans Know What Really Happened in Vietnam?

Instead of confronting the truth, we scrubbed the record clean—and we’re still paying for it in Afghanistan and Iraq today.


The 1960s—that extraordinary decade—is celebrating its 50th birthday one year at a time. Happy birthday, 1965! How, though, do you commemorate the Vietnam War, the era’s signature catastrophe? After all, our government prosecuted its brutal and indiscriminate war under false pretexts, long after most citizens objected, and failed to achieve any of its stated objectives. More than 58,000 Americans were killed along with more than 4 million Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians.
. . . . . .




How quickly times change. Jump ahead a decade and Americans had already found an appealing formula for commemorating the war. It turned out to be surprisingly simple: focus on us, not them, and agree that the war was primarily an American tragedy. Stop worrying about the damage Americans had inflicted on Vietnam and focus on what we had done to ourselves. Soon enough, President Ronald Reagan and his followers were claiming that the war had been disastrous mainly because it had weakened an American sense of pride and patriotism, while inhibiting the nation’s desire to project power globally. Under Reagan, “Vietnam” became a rallying cry for both a revived nationalism and militarism.
. . .


The Antiwar Movement Dispatched to the Trash Bin of History

In the 1980s, however, the Americans most saddled with blame for abusing Vietnam veterans were the antiwar activists of the previous era. Forget that, in its later years, the antiwar movement was often led by and filled with antiwar vets. According to a pervasive postwar myth, veterans returning home from Vietnam were commonly accused of being “baby killers” and spat upon by protesters. The spat-upon story—wildly exaggerated, if not entirely invented—helped reinforce the rightward turn in American politics in the post-Vietnam era. It was a way of teaching Americans to “honor” victimized veterans, while dishonoring the millions of Americans who had fervently worked to bring them safely home from war. In this way, the most extraordinary antiwar movement in memory was discredited and dispatched to the trash bin of history.



. . . .
t should not go unnoticed that the same government that is spending $65 million commemorating the veterans of a once-reviled war has failed to provide sufficient medical care for them. In 2014, news surfaced that the Veterans Administration had left some 100,000 veterans waiting for medical attention and that some VA hospitals sought to cover up their egregious delays. Every day an estimated 22 veterans commit suicide, and among vets of Iraq and Afghanistan the suicide rate, according to one study, is 50% higher than that of their civilian peers. The Pentagon’s anniversary commemoration has triggered some heated push-back from groups like Veterans for Peace and the Vietnam Peace Commemoration Committee (co-founded by Tom Hayden). Both are planning alternative commemorations designed to include antiwar perspectives once so common but now glaringly absent from popular memory. From such efforts might come the first full public critical reappraisal of the war to challenge four decades of cosmetic makeover.

. . . .


http://www.thenation.com/article/197425/why-dont-americans-know-what-really-happened-vietnam

12 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. As a Vietnam vet I can answer your question.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:29 PM
Feb 2015

You like most people that were not involved created a history that you can accept.
I have come up with this idea after many years of reading posts about Vietnam on DU.
History is not written by those who lived it but becomes what the majority say it is.
I'll say this again and I will be told that what I say is a lie and has been debunked.
I was spat on at SFO on March 18, 1968. I was called a baby killer and a walking time bomb. I could not put on a job application or a resume that was a Vietnam vet.
I know as I said you will believe what you want and after 40 years I am more able to live with that but it still hurts deep down inside.

niyad

(113,246 posts)
4. I am sorry for what happened to you, but please note: this is not MY writing, but an
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:43 PM
Feb 2015

article in the Nation.


You have no idea what my involvement with vietnam or those who served is, so do not put words in my mouth, or criticize actions about which you know nothing.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. That article mirrors the opinion of most on this board.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:57 PM
Feb 2015

Why did you post it?
You are right that I don't know you.
But I do know the anti war movement of the 60's because I was a part of it when I came back. All of us are saints and sinners in some way.

niyad

(113,246 posts)
9. amazingly enough, I do not have to explain to you why I posted the article. you will
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:59 PM
Feb 2015

believe what you wish.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. Here is what I am trying to say.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 02:29 PM
Feb 2015

The article complains about the presentation of the war in the 50 year anniversary saying it doesn't represent history as it happened yet part of the article also does not present history as it happened. Both sources have made up a history that it is comfortable with and both are equally guilty of the same fault.
If that is a bad thing to point out I'm sorry but that is the truth.

still_one

(92,122 posts)
2. I don't believe what happened in Viet Nam is covered up. The Iraq Wars, absolutely. Viet Nam and
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:39 PM
Feb 2015

what happened there, and our involvement is all over the place for anyone who cares to read it, or for that matter watch film from that war.

If generations who were born before Nam don't know about it, then it is because they don't care, not because the information is not there in the history books.

LBJ lied about the Gulf Of Tonkin, and that was the start of our real involvement.

Hell, it is on the History Channel, or The Fog of War for those that don't care to read. It is there, and not covered up

http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/pentagon-papers

niyad

(113,246 posts)
5. years ago, I overheard a young person saying, "why do we have to learn about vietnam? it's
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:45 PM
Feb 2015

all ancient history".

I was not in the mood to correct that person's mindset that day.

still_one

(92,122 posts)
6. That is the problem, and it doesn't just apply to Nam. I was lucky and had a 2S at the time.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:50 PM
Feb 2015

However, the moment I graduated I was reclassified as 1A and was called up for my physical. They didn't take me because of high blood pressure, but I had to go back several times to have it verified. The war was near the end then, 1971, so that probably helped me also. I did have a fair amount of friends that went. One of them contracted Malaria. It was a God awful war, not that any war is good, and I definitely take my hat off to anyone like yourself who served in that war.

My friends who went described it as pure chaos

niyad

(113,246 posts)
7. I know. the level of ignorance about history, or even recent events, is appalling, and
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 01:52 PM
Feb 2015

deliberately fostered.

niyad

(113,246 posts)
10. I did not serve in that horror--I just spent years dealing with its aftermath in so many
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 02:01 PM
Feb 2015

people.

Response to niyad (Original post)

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Editorials & Other Articles»Why Don’t Americans Know ...