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Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:29 PM

Jan Brewer signs abortion ban defining pregnancy before conception

Source: Raw Story

Republican Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Thursday signed one of the most controversial and restrictive abortion bans in the country, which experts say effectively bans abortions after 18 weeks and declares that a woman could be pregnant 2 weeks before she even had sex.

“This legislation is consistent with my strong track record of supporting common sense measures to protect the health of women and safeguard our most vulnerable population – the unborn,” a statement from the governor’s office said.

“Knowing that abortions become riskier the later they are performed in pregnancy, it only makes sense to prohibit these procedures past 20 weeks,” Brewer insisted.

Arizona’s HB 2036 takes Nebraska’s 20-week abortion ban one step further by starting the clock on pregnancies at the woman’s last last menstrual period, which could be two weeks before fertilization.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/13/jan-brewer-signs-abortion-ban-defining-pregnancy-before-conception/

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Reply Jan Brewer signs abortion ban defining pregnancy before conception (Original post)
Galraedia Apr 2012 OP
gateley Apr 2012 #1
roguevalley Apr 2012 #21
hyphenate Apr 2012 #2
sofa king Apr 2012 #23
hyphenate Apr 2012 #34
sofa king Apr 2012 #43
savannah43 Apr 2012 #3
Grassy Knoll Apr 2012 #4
SmileyRose Apr 2012 #5
wordpix Apr 2012 #6
dballance Apr 2012 #7
Kali Apr 2012 #8
Orrex Apr 2012 #10
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2012 #12
yardwork Apr 2012 #26
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #9
connecticut yankee Apr 2012 #11
Orrex Apr 2012 #15
christx30 Apr 2012 #44
Orrex Apr 2012 #45
radhika Apr 2012 #13
stubtoe Apr 2012 #30
EFerrari Apr 2012 #14
bluedigger Apr 2012 #16
Zoeisright Apr 2012 #17
beac Apr 2012 #18
KansDem Apr 2012 #38
beac Apr 2012 #39
OmahaBlueDog Apr 2012 #19
Permanut Apr 2012 #20
BlueIris Apr 2012 #22
sarcasmo Apr 2012 #24
IDemo Apr 2012 #25
patrice Apr 2012 #27
secondwind Apr 2012 #28
rms013 Apr 2012 #29
sofa king Apr 2012 #33
lonestarnot Apr 2012 #31
gtar100 Apr 2012 #32
Vinca Apr 2012 #35
secondwind Apr 2012 #36
OKNancy Apr 2012 #41
KansDem Apr 2012 #37
freshwest Apr 2012 #46
SwissTony Apr 2012 #40
Ken Burch Apr 2012 #42
and-justice-for-all Apr 2012 #47
Puzzler Apr 2012 #48
Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #49

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:34 PM

1. Aw, Jeez, shut the fuck up, Jan. Arizona, I'm so sorry.

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Response to gateley (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 02:53 AM

21. I think this just raised the iq of other states several points. This is beyond embarrassing.

I like Arizona but I think I am too afraid to ever go there again.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:43 PM

2. When does Brewer's term end?

Are there enough people to get her the fuck out of office?

I can only hope there are enough inteeligent and aware citizens in Arizona to vote out those extremists in their state government at the next election.

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Response to hyphenate (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:10 AM

23. 2014, with a term limit

However, after a four-year break, she can run and serve another 8 years, if she manages to avoid exposure to sunlight that long.

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Response to sofa king (Reply #23)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 04:28 AM

34. Thank you

I extend my deepest sympathies to those of you who are still sane and living in Arizona. You will not be forgotten in your hour of need. Just get behind the first thing that even looks like they're running for governor and get them elected. ANYTHING is better than Brewer, even the dog catcher!

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Response to hyphenate (Reply #34)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:40 PM

43. This is a straight-D year if I ever saw one.

Most of us here are straight-D every election, but at this point the only people left who have an actual interest in voting Republican are the very people we are all hoping will take their toys and leave the country once they have to pay a fair tax rate.

That of course won't prevent the knuckle-draggers from voting against their own best interests, as they can be counted upon to do, but thirty percent plus jack shit from liberals, moderates, independents, women, and all minorities and social out-groups adds up to a landslide, perhaps among the largest political swings in our lifetimes.



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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:48 PM

3. Hahahahahahahaha!

What a maroon!! This will not stand constitutional muster. Please allow me to nominate Arizona for the designation of worst state in the country. And I thought Bachmann was nuts. This is what happens when not very intelligent wingnuts get to drive the train. If this story gets international legs, we'll be the laughingstock of the civilized world.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:53 PM

4. How dare libruls claim a war on woman....

Zip, Zilch, Nada, From Fox, Drugged, or any wrong wing blog.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:59 PM

5. Wait

Isn't this the twit who went all over claiming she was askeered of the Prez because he supposedly attacked her right out there in God's green acres in broad daylight. (and didn't even bother wearing his hoodie to prewarn her of his thuggery?)

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:59 PM

6. geesh, I thought the R's love the Constitution & Roe v. Wade is constitutional

according to SCOTUS.

Another R dangerous moron.

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Response to dballance (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:15 PM

8. so, do you think that is a good insult?

you do realize the people you are really insulting are transgendered people, right? this could get you (deservedly) banned from DU.

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Response to Kali (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:22 PM

10. +1

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Response to Kali (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:36 PM

12. thank you.

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Response to Kali (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:10 AM

26. Thanks for pointing that out, Kali.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:15 PM

9. So, she has signed immaculate conception into law????

Did not even know she was Catholic.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:28 PM

11. My last period

before I became pregnant was a week before my wedding, and I was still a virgin.

If I had called off the wedding, would I have still been considered "pregnant?"

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Response to connecticut yankee (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:17 AM

15. Yes of course, you immoral hussy!

And shame on you for getting knocked up pre-flagrante delicto!

Shame!

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Response to Orrex (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 04:54 PM

44. Holy crap...

I could be having sex right now on this bus and not even know it!

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Response to christx30 (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:10 PM

45. If you're having sex and don't know it, then I blame your partner

Tell them to get with the program!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:45 PM

13. Let's assume all girls are pregnant as of their FIRST menstruation....

Women are born with their lifetime supply of eggs. That makes all eggs potential humans, and no medical procedure shall be permitted to block the life of that pre-born human.

I'm snarking, of course. But somewhere in Jan Brewer's AZ, or at an ALEC gathering or Operation Rescue bunker, a deranged anti-choice zealot is smiling at the legislative possibilities.

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Response to radhika (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:55 AM

30. Snark? No, not at all. This is the logical endpoint of their rationale.

I'm not kidding.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:05 AM

14. Someone has to liberate Arizona with its own Freedom Summer. nt

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:14 AM

16. How precocious of her!

It took me several years after conception before I learned to write.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:16 AM

17. So she really is as stupid as she looks, huh?

Same with all those other fucking brain-dead repukes.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:20 AM

18. So....

according to this new math, if you are a virgin on your wedding night and have a baby 40 weeks later, that baby conceived out of wedlock?

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Response to beac (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:44 AM

38. Then what of Deuteronomy 22:13-21?



What will the bible thumpers say to this!

I don't think the GOPers have thought this through...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #38)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:30 AM

39. Nah, it's all part of their effort to bring back good, old-fashioned

stonings.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:49 AM

19. Election Year Politics

Brewer signs a bill favored by evangelicals, who are lukewarm about Romney.

The bill is immediately challenged and injoined. At it's first federal test, it's booted.

Romney then gets to go to Arizona (a battleground state) and fire up conservatives about his respect for the unborn, his disgust with the activist juduciary, and his love for Jan Brewer ("...who gave a marvelous lecture to President Obama --let me tell you")

Meanwhile, very little has actually changed. Brewer simply signed a law that everyone knew wouldn't make it past the first court test.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 02:14 AM

20. Okay, so this is fine as far as it goes...

but it doesn't go far enough. a woman should be considered pregnant even if she just sniffs the exhaust from the truck that brings the pregnancy test kits to the neighborhood store.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:56 AM

22. Arizona = New Texas.

Just as hazardous and vile a place for anyone with a uterus to live.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:38 AM

24. Ejaculations are next on the list of things to ban. USA! USA! USA!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:48 AM

25. Next up: Having a twinkle in your eye will be recognized as a life

for those not old enough to know the term: when somebody was a (mere) twinkle in their father's eye (humorous)
at a time before someone was born All this happened a very long time ago, when you were a mere twinkle in your father's eye.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/when+was+a+twinkle+in+father%27s+eye

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:08 AM

27. First we had Preventative War, now we have Preventative Legislation.

Are these fetuses Brewer is so concerned about more vulnerable than the children of Iraq were on 9/12/2001?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:19 AM

28. I'm pro-choice, and thankfully the majority of abortions are performed



before 18-20 weeks.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:48 AM

29. through the backdoor

This is a way to erode Roe v. Wade. Arizona Gov. and legislature determined no abortion could be performed after 20 weeks, then determined pregnancy starts 2 weeks before conception.
20 - 2 = 18.

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Response to rms013 (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:03 PM

33. The backdoor is one way to keep Roe v Wade out of it!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:19 PM

31. And she wants the Post Office to fund their retirement too!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:40 PM

32. Next step is for them to outlaw menstrual cycles because of the death of a "potential" child.

But nary a peep about men and their sperm-wasting activities.

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #32)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:55 AM

35. Or, if menstruation must occur, last rites over the toilet each month.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:22 AM

36. This woman hasn't had a sperm near her in decades.....

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Response to secondwind (Reply #36)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:39 PM

41. I hate comments like this

There is enough awful about Brewer without interjecting a comment like this.
Her value as a human, or lack of it in this case, has nothing to do with her sex life or her attractiveness as a woman.
It's a stupid and misogynistic comment.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:38 AM

37. Let me get this straight...

If you're "pregnant" two weeks before having sex, and a fetus is a "person," then we can declare another dependent on our tax return!

Hurry! Offer expires at midnight tonight (or does the IRS give us one more day since the 15th falls on a Sunday?)

Uh-oh! Another thought... If a "baby" isn't born after we declare it on our tax return (you know, we just didn't have sex during the following two weeks), then will we be investigated for "murder?"

This is all so very confusing...

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Response to KansDem (Reply #37)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:42 PM

46. Wow, what an opportunity. Think of the possibilities!

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:51 PM

40. So, technically, a woman can still be a virgin and yet be pregnant

Under the right circumstances, of course.

Is a Commom Sense vaccine available?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:58 PM

42. Perhaps this will win Gov. Brewer the endorsement of "Ladies Against Women":

?w=640

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 07:59 PM

47. .."common sense measures"!!!! MY ASS!

This is an atrocity and government overreach..how the fuck does this bullshit create jobs!?!?!?

Repukes make me sick. fuck'em all.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 08:11 PM

48. Why doesn't she revise the value of pi while she's at it?

Seriously!

It happened in Indiana. Although the attempt to legislate pi was ultimately unsuccessful, it did come pretty close. In 1897 Representative T.I. Record of Posen county introduced House Bill #246 in the Indiana House of Representatives. The bill, based on the work of a physician and amateur mathematician named Edward J. Goodwin (Edwin in some accounts), suggests not one but three numbers for pi, among them 3.2, as we shall see. The punishment for unbelievers I have not been able to learn, but I place no credence in the rumor that you had to spend the rest of your natural life in Indiana.

Just as people today have a hard time accepting the idea that the speed of light is the speed limit of the universe, Goodwin and Record apparently couldn't handle the fact that pi was not a rational number. "Since the rule in present use fails to work ..., it should be discarded as wholly wanting and misleading in the practical applications," the bill declared. Instead, mathematically inclined Hoosiers could take their pick among the following formulae:

(1) The ratio of the diameter of a circle to its circumference is 5/4 to 4. In other words, pi equals 16/5 or 3.2

(2) The area of a circle equals the area of a square whose side is 1/4 the circumference of the circle. Working this out algebraically, we see that pi must be equal to 4.

(3) The ratio of the length of a 90 degree arc to the length of a segment connecting the arc's two endpoints is 8 to 7. This gives us pi equal to the square root of 2 x 16/7, or about 3.23.


http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/805/did-a-state-legislature-once-pass-a-law-saying-pi-equals-3

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 04:18 PM

49. Umm....I know it sounds ridiculous -

but that is the standard definition of gestational age. I'm not sure it is any different than Nebraska's law - haven't checked to see if Nebraska bothered to define it, but if they didn't it would most likely have defaulted to the medical definition:

Gestational age is the time measured from the first day of the woman's last menstrual cycle to the current date. It is measured in weeks.

Read more: http://www.umm.edu/ency/article/002367.htm#ixzz1sEi2t4Pj


The reason I know this is that we knew exactly when our daughter was conceived, because her conception was by donor insemination. So I always thought it was bizarre that throughout my pregnancy, I was routinely treated as if conception had occurred approximately three weeks earlier, on the first day of my last period - because that is the standard all pregnancy care is based on.

(Not defending the law - just providing a reality check that all the bill does is expressly call in the medical definition of gestation)

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