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Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:26 AM

Cracker Barrel Shooting: Gunman Opens Fire At Ohio Restaurant; 3 Dead

Source: AP

BROOKLYN, Ohio -- Police shot and killed an armed man Thursday at a restaurant where two other people were killed and one was wounded, authorities said.

The shooting happened after a woman called 911 from a Cracker Barrel restaurant, saying her husband was upset because she told him she was leaving him, police said in a news release. She said he was circling the parking lot in his car.

Officers arrived, heard gunshots and saw an armed man leaving the restaurant in Brooklyn, Ohio, near Cleveland. Police Chief Scott Mielke said officers shot him when he refused to surrender.

A woman and a girl also were killed. One person was taken to a hospital.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/13/cracker-barrel-shooting_n_1422604.html

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:33 AM

1. Du rec. Nt

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:35 AM

2. She broke up with him at a Cracker Barrel?

How low can you get? No wonder the bastard when berserk...probably was halfway through the 10,000% of daily sodium intake 6-egg, steak, ham, bacon, hash, grits with biscuits and gravy breakfast and just snapped.

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Response to Atman (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:52 AM

7. Ahem. Do not disparage their bacon. I happen to love it. It's thick and crispy.

On another note:

Betcha she wasn't breaking up with him because he was a gun-owning, gun-loving, violent son of a bitch. nah.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:09 AM

20. the sides at CB are really good also...

 

Hopefully the hash-brown casserole did not go to waste.... that would clearly add
to the tragedy...

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Response to IamK (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:14 AM

23. What is wrong with you people?

Cracker Barrel is the crappiest restaurant this side of the Andromeda Galaxy.

And what is it with these guys who think that because they don't get what they want, they can shoot people?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:13 PM

128. Okay, you opened the door...

"Cracker Barrel is the crappiest restaurant this side of the Andromeda Galaxy."

I can't argue with that, which is why I posted my first response...I've had weird experiences with CB.

Many years ago, when CB was still a relatively small Southern chain, they were like an oasis along I-95 when we'd drive to/from Florida. You could tell a CB was near the next exit because of the smell of smokey wood and bacon wafting through the air. Mmm.

Then CB turned into a massive nationwide chain. And, as is usually the case when this happens to a restaurant, it all went downhill from there. It was no longer quaint or fun...it was a homogenized hot mess. Anyway, so I knew this guy -- not a friend, I just knew him, he summered near us in Northeastern CT -- who was kind of creepy. He was a 50-something single dude who worked as a "chef" at a Cracker Barrel. Great career path! Anyway, he was always just "hanging around." We suspected he was taking pictures of the wives (and kids) with his cell phone camera. Sure enough, one day he wasn't there anymore...and there was an article in the local paper about him.

The guy had been arrested at Cracker Barrel. He worked the late shift, and was caught laying his shlong in the pancakes, making "pigs in a blanket," and taking pictures of his creations. When the cops checked out his phone, sure enough there were many more pictures of his breakfast meat, as well as the pictures we suspected -- wives, kids, whatever. Total creep-fest.

I know it isn't Cracker Barrel's fault...but even I hadn't already given up on the place, this was the proverbial nail in the coffin. I can never step foot in a CB again. I just picture some old dude's dick in my pancakes before he serves them up. Nope...I'm done.

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Response to Atman (Reply #128)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:53 PM

135. I didn't even know CB had pigs in a blanket on the menu

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Response to IamK (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:21 AM

27. Not MY hash brown casserole! I LOVE the hash brown casserole! nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:22 AM

30. Probably not :-)

you're spot on I'd bet

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:38 AM

3. "It's believed that it's one family at this point"

http://www.wcti12.com/news/30885939/detail.html

If it is all one family, that poor girl - father kills her mother and sister in front of her, and then is shot when he refuses to put down his gun.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:43 AM

6. That is terrible

My apologies in advance to those who are going to say my first response was callous. I've just had weird experiences with. Cracker Barrel. Doesn't make this story any less tragic.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:22 AM

29. It makes me vomit that anyone, even sick sons of bitches like this one, have access to guns nt

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:43 AM

4. "If I cain'ts have'er, NO one's gonner!!"

Fucking idiot. Why didn't he just off himself? Why did he have to take the wife and kid too?

Of course, with this crack PD reporting (no names, no indication if the victims were related, etc), this is all just speculation.

This Cracker Barrel is 20 minutes away from where I live.

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:46 AM

36. That has a name. Shrinks in the U.S. call this, 'family annihilation.' I hate guns.

Anyway, almost always the perp is a man. According to shrinks, the men that do this, are control freaks. Their feeling of masculinity is completely tied in with having full control of their wives and children. According to shrinks, these men often engage in spousal and child abuse.

From the cases I've read, this sort of shit is almost always done with a gun.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:43 AM

5. Ah. Aren't guns just f'ng great? They just give me one hell of a feeling of safety. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:30 AM

32. My Volvo makes me feel secure.

 

"There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men."
- Robert A. Heinlein

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #32)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:51 AM

38. Sure. That's why bombs are sold at the local supermarket. It's not the bombs, it's the people that

detonate them.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:09 AM

44. Actually there a lot of toxic chemicals at the super market that could be used for evil purposes.

 

I don't know who told you about bombs being sold at the supermarket but they require a Class III BATF permit.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:19 AM

47. Ok, and I have nothing against the sale of metal. Let individuals manufacture their own gun

Why provide them manufactured?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #47)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:32 AM

51. Bad news.

 

Criminals have done it for years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #51)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:35 AM

52. Fine. However, every gun murder I read (and there are plenty) is done with guns purchased, made by

corporate gun manufacturers.

Ban them, confiscate every gun, and let people have to build a gun themselves. Guaranteed the gun murder rate will drop INSTANTLY. The gun manufacturers would have to go find a new business, the gun lovers will have to find a new hobby to make them feel masculine, and the streets will be safer.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:41 AM

54. Because the same idea worked on cocaine and heroine ... right?

even if your fantasy came true, criminals will always have all the guns they need.

How do you plan to "confiscate every gun"? Search every house in America?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:53 AM

60. I knew it wouldn't be long before the NRA rep would show up. Does defending gun manufacturers

help you?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:01 AM

61. Explain to me just how your plan will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

simple question. Do you have a simple answer?

Explain to me also how you plan to pay for all those guns the government will confiscate?

Explain to me also just how you plan to override all those state constitutions that protect the RKBA?

Show me that you have actually have more than a knee jerk emotional reaction and personal insults.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #61)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:11 AM

66. Does it insult you to be called the NRA? Your only comments to me are defenses of the NRA's

positions. Explain to me how your views differ from the NRA's.

As for the answer to your question, review what I've already responded in other posts here.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #66)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:23 AM

72. You have not explained how you will seize all those guns nor how you will pay for them.

and you still haven't explained how you will override all those state constitutions.



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Response to hack89 (Reply #72)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:45 AM

77. I answered someone regarding that. I told you to read my responses. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #77)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:50 AM

78. So "I don't know" is your final word on the matter? nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:02 PM

113. It helps when you are accusing them of things they have no participation in or responsibility for.

 

Vent your anger towards an appropriate target.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:44 PM

102. Commercially available coke an heroin were banned, but it was made legal to produce your own?

News to me.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #102)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:49 PM

103. No - the idea that banning them will make them disappear from American society.

Americans want guns. They will always have guns. There is nothing the government can do about it.

Fortunately the government is not so stupid as to try to ban guns.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:11 AM

65. I would like to know myself

 

On how you would confiscate every gun?

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Response to Becka2515 (Reply #65)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:19 AM

71. I don't know, but it's ridiculous that we have to live this way, with constant gun murders in this

country.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:05 PM

80. immediate issues that come to mind

On the Federal level:

1) these items are private/personal property. Seizure would fall under 5th amendment and require just compensation. with millions of firearms, the raw cost of compensation would be quite large, not to mention the costs for the lawsuits filed by the individual citizens . Imagine having to litigate millions of cases, one at a time (unless you are planning on stomping on 1st amendment rights too)

2) such an action would be in violation of the current interpretation of the 2nd Amendment where the Court (unanimously) held that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right so that would be more lawsuits

3) If the State were to act unilaterally (with complete disregard of the Courts and, potentially, Congress), any such act would fall under the 4th Amendment

On the state level:

Most, if not all, states' Constitutions mirror the 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th Amendments and lawsuits on the state level would be almost immediate if these states would even begin to honor that kind of demand from the Federal government.

I am sure that if I think on it more, I can come up with more legitimate challenges to such an action.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #80)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:02 PM

91. I see...

Well...

1) The 2nd Amendment was not meant to satisfy the Clint Eastwood Syndrome. It was meant for a time when there was no serious, established military the way we have now. The 3rd Amendment served the same purpose and is useless and not pertinent now.

2) Is a bomb personal property?

3) The govt is manipulated and propagandized to death by the NRA representing the interests of multinational gun manufacturers.

4) Here's one for you. My rights to peace and tranquility are being hampered by the desire of people suffering with the Clint Eastwood Syndrome, to pack heat just in case they desire to shoot someone. If they're so terrified of living that they can't live without packing heat, they need to hire a shrink and get themselves some serious therapy.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #91)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:27 PM

96. I'll take 'em one at time

1) The 2nd Amendment was not meant to satisfy the Clint Eastwood Syndrome. It was meant for a time when there was no serious, established military the way we have now. The 3rd Amendment served the same purpose and is useless and not pertinent now.

until/unless they are repealed they are still the boundaries in which the government must operate. Don't like 'em? Article V of the US Constitution gives the process for amending to the Constitution. have at it.

2) Is a bomb personal property?

a bomb falls under the definition of a destructive device under the NFA which has passed Constitutional muster and is not protected by the 2nd Amendment therefore it can be seized without "just compensation" BUT that seizure must be done in compliance with the 4th Amendment.

3) The govt is manipulated and propagandized to death by the NRA representing the interests of multinational gun manufacturers.

Any group of individuals can band together and lobby the government and attempt to persuade them to see their point of view. Additionally, the NRA has far more individual members than there are gun manufacturers.

4) Here's one for you. My rights to peace and tranquility are being hampered by the desire of people suffering with the Clint Eastwood Syndrome, to pack heat just in case they desire to shoot someone. If they're so terrified of living that they can't live without packing heat, they need to hire a shrink and get themselves some serious therapy.

Which article and/or amendment to the Constitution secures your "rights to peace and tranquility"?

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Response to melm00se (Reply #96)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:06 PM

116. You're an ace at misinterpreting the 2nd and 3rd amendments to your advantage.


A bomb is a destructive and killing device in the way a gun is a destructive and killing device. I'm sure the reason guns are not listed as part of the enacted law, is because a bomb could potentially kill a rather sizable number of people in one fell swoop, whereas a gun kills one at a time. Both are intended to kill humans beings, and do. Bombs have more of a reason for existing, given that these have other purposes, such as demolition of buildings, whereas guns cannot demolish buildings. Guns have only one purpose: to kill.

Lastly, it denies my right to live in freedom without feeling threatened by the Clint Eastwood Syndrome whackos who run around packing heat desperate to find someone to shoot, and who spend time defending the NRA's misinterpretations of the 2nd and 3rd amendments, and justifying the gun manufacturer's overtime lobbying to keep their profits high.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #91)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:21 PM

99. .

 

Wow!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #91)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:10 PM

119. " It was meant for a time when...." ...applies equally to the rest of the Amendments.

 

No-one really needs any of those any more, we have Government to protect us and our freedoms now....

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #119)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:17 PM

150. Well said. n/t

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #91)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:28 PM

147. Sorry,

but you don't have a "right" to "peace and tranquility". I don't know where in the constitution or bill of rights that there is such a right, could you specify or link said LEGAL right.

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Response to Ashgrey77 (Reply #147)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:37 PM

151. I have a right not to feel threatened by maniacs who want to pack heat and are just dying to shoot

somebody.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #151)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 05:47 PM

155. Those people are generally classed as "criminals" and are not legally allowed...

 

to carry a gun or threaten people with them or shoot people with them.

These rest of the folks carrying are generally of no particular threat to you. Your own inattentiveness to your surroundings is far more likely to result in injury to you, albeit self-inflicted for all intents and purposes. (i.e. accidents you basically walk yourself into.) Good luck out there!

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #155)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 07:54 PM

157. Wrong. A gun murderer was just a person with a gun before he killed someone nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #157)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:07 PM

161. Incorrect.

 

Almost all murderers have a history of warning signs and symptoms.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/kates/Myth_of_the_Virgin_Killer-Kates-Polsby.pdf

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #161)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:08 PM

162. And gun sellers know who they are before selling guns to them? Oh please. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #162)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:09 PM

164. Sorry, you made that turn a bit fast for me. What are you stating/asking? n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #164)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:06 PM

166. Look, I'm bored discussing the defense of the right wing NRA. I'm done with this. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #166)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 08:10 AM

167. Who's defending the NRA?

 

Nice dodge though.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #167)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:42 PM

176. Gun lovers love the NRA, and are likely members of it. And the NRA is Republican nt

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Response to melm00se (Reply #80)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:07 PM

117. I think you meant Fourth Amendment, not Fifth. n/t

 

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:47 PM

87. In the land of the blind the one eyed man would be king.

 

Consider, 100% abolition of firearms. Say except law enforcement and military.

How would one defend themselves against knives, swords, blunt instruments, superior physical strength or multiple home invaders?

Yes, gun crime will go down, but will we become a less violent society or due to an imbalance of power will the rate of violence go up? I see criminals as opportunist with the majority looking to take the easy way through life.

If we ban cars, the rate of texting and driving would go tp zero. Heck, there would be an end to drive by shootings.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #87)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:54 PM

89. How would you defend yourself against someone throwing a piece of furniture at you? Or slapping you

in the face, or kicking you, or spitting at you, or any of the myriad things that happen?

The U.S. is RIFE with men who suffer from the Clint Eastwood Cheap Western Syndrome.

Are you so scared? I don't carry a gun, even though I'm surrounded by the NRA-loving gun nuts in this country. Are you so scared that you can't leave your house without packing heat, as if you were in a Hollywood movie?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #89)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:20 PM

98. I asked a couple of questions, responses were avoided.

 

"The U.S. is RIFE with men who suffer from the Clint Eastwood Cheap Western Syndrome."
Are you assuming only men are aggressive and assault people? A very sexist comment BTW.

Depending on the circumstances and location if someone is throwing furniture at me my German Shepherds will be stopping their aggression. Alternately if someone is throwing a couch at me I'll be zapping the couch with my anti gravity ray. In reality if the violence was that bad I would be protecting myself with overwhelming force as necessary to stop the aggression.

Why would I be scared? I don't "carry" a gun either 99.99% of the time.

Not every pro RKBA person is an NRA member, not every NRA member is an NRA-loving member. Those are some pretty wild assumptions and blanket statements.

Surrounded by NRA people? Can you clarify that, I can't see that statement as being credible?

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #98)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:09 PM

118. If you are not scared, why would you carry a gun .01% of the time?

If you lived in a crack house, where others might be packing heat (and who's to blame for that if not NRA-lovers), perhaps I could see it.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #118)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:38 PM

159. Enough of the moral elitism.

 

But you still didn't answer the question.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #159)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:08 PM

163. I've answered all the questions. The NRA supporters have not. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #163)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 08:26 AM

168. I feel so neglected.

 

You forgot to accuse me of using NRA talking points.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #168)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:41 PM

175. ? Is it not enough to say you defend the NRA? And the NRA is Republican nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #175)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 08:58 AM

177. Please stop with this "defending the NRA shit".

 

It's a lame talking point.

Your life's experiences are not mine and mine are not yours.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #177)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:36 AM

178. Are you kidding me? Your views reflect those of the Republican NRA, but I'm supposed to ignore that

fact?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #178)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:49 AM

180. You can make up and believe anything you want.

 

ASSumptions should not be made on superficial facts.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:37 PM

130. You left out the vital 1st step: Shred the Constitution when you don't agree with it

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Response to 24601 (Reply #130)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:35 AM

133. Modify it. That's what the framers meant, and that's been done before.

Where do you get the notion that I said to shred it? You clearly put that in my mouth.

Also, out of curiosity, which Democratic Party presidents have you voted for in the past few elections? I await your response.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #133)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:33 PM

134. No doubt the framers meant that changes require a Constitutional amendment. It's less-clear that

you support that when your posts use code-words like "ban" and "confiscate". Your use of other language like "Clint Eastwood Syndrome" and "feel masculine" also lead to the inference that your filter is based primarily on gender rather than the Constitution. It represents a certain irony since it was the ability to carry a firearm that leveled the ground between the average size/strength woman and a man intent on her rape and/or murder.

And yep, we now live in Florida where it would be simple to buy a gun & get a concealed carry permit. Nope, I haven't done that and it has nothing to do with Clint Eastwood one way or another.

As you likely know, the past few elections have resulted in only one Democratic President. If you must know, I believed then (and believe it today) that Hillary was the better choice. I almost always vote and always support our nominee even if he's not exactly my choice (and he wasn't). As it turned out in November 2008, I was unable to vote. Serving for several elections as a (Maryland) precinct check-in judge, I normally would have had plenty of time to take 1/2 hour, leave the precinct where I was working and vote in my home precinct - located in a different school.

As it turned out, our long-serving Chief Judge was hospitalized Monday evening and I was elevated to Chief Judge. The increased work load just didn't let me get away. I was on the jon from an ours before polls opened to at least an hour after they closed - when I delivered the voting maching cards & tapes to the regional tally office.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #134)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 04:35 PM

138. And changes begin with people like me, who are tired of bullshit, such as the Clint Eastwood

Syndrome, of having more guns than people in a country where gun shootings are a daily thing, like breathing.

I'm not going to discuss this any further. Guns are bullshit, worshipping gun manufacturers is idiocy, and people who feel so terrified that they feel the need to be armed, have turned this country into a country of violence.

Bye.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #138)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 05:30 PM

140. I'm actually gratified that you will not discuss this further because the last thing we need are

more people expressing words to the effect that the Constitution is just a technical inconvenience that falls into the bullshit category. The civil and military officers of the United States in all three branches of government take the oath to support and defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The oath covers all of it, not just the portions with which we personally agree.

Bye

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #138)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:35 PM

148. Death and murder,

happen by the second everywhere in the world. We have been at each others throats since we crawled out of the primodial ooze. Violence is nothing new or unique to the United States, gun violence happens all over the world. Humans are predators, if you wanna stop the violence you have to change the way people think pertaining to our instincts, otherwise you could ban every weapon on the face of the planet and it won't make a bit of difference.

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Response to Ashgrey77 (Reply #148)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:41 PM

152. "death and murder happen by the second everywhere in the world" Bullshit.


Gun-related homicide rates in the United States are twenty to thirty-five times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it. Higher rates are found in developing countries and those with political instability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

NRA supporters (and as we've shown already, the NRA is a Republican organization, so you are effectively supporting the Repukes) have turned our country into a nightmarish, violent nation.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #152)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 11:42 PM

182. Guess what,

About 25% of the murders in USA are done without firearms!
So even if all the firearm-related murders in USA magically disappear, USA will still have more murders.
You think that you have all the answers. Banning and confiscating surely will work and after it is done, everybody will hold hands and sing "Kumbaya", right?

Well, lets take a look at Washington DC, where in 1975 all private guns were banned. Your idea implemented on a small scale, so we can see how it works out.

And there we have it - somehow in the only place in USA where guns were banned, the murder rate is 4 times the national average!!!!!!!

Any more questions?

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Response to minavasht (Reply #182)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 07:42 AM

183. Well, I'd settle for getting rid of that NRA-sponsored 75%. Thanks for making my point for me nt

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:56 AM

8. Does Ohio have Concealed Carry Laws?

Were there armed citizens in the restaurant to stop this?

After all, we're told that is the purpose of CC and Open carry too.

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:09 AM

9. Oh, they'll be jumping on this soon. Personally, I suspect more people would have been killed if

some armed "protector of society" had opened fire.

Just another sad story made worse because of guns.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:52 AM

13. If she had chosen a bar instead of Cracker Barrel to break the news

it would have been filled with law abiders armed to the teeth, who would now be Gun Heros for gunning down the offending husband.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:32 AM

33. yup

 

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Response to jpak (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:56 PM

106. If only she'd been armed...

if only everyone at Cracker Barrel had been armed. The waitstaff could just bring a gun to every table along with the place setting and menu.

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:20 AM

10. The purpose of concealed carry is self protection

nothing more and nothing less.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:55 AM

14. To bad the girlfriend wasn't packing, right?

no wonder she broke up with him. She should have known better and had her own pistol at the ready.


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Response to Javaman (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:01 AM

17. She couldn't be any worse off then she is right now. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:30 AM

50. Oh? dead comes to mind. nt

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Response to Javaman (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:14 PM

120. Reading Comprehension issues?

 

Seriously, go back to the article at the link, re-read it, re-read the post you replied to, then reconsider what you just posted.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #120)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:08 PM

146. rude problems?

boy, i just love when people reply with sarcasm.

it does so much for me now wanting to look into the article and perhaps learn something.

But since you chose the rude route of replying, I will now ignore you.

have a nice day.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:18 AM

25. The purpose of concealed carry is self protection

"nothing more and nothing less."

except for the paranoia meme spread by gun manufacturers and the NRA....

and the GOP


and the private for profit prison system


all for $$$$$$


There's really little concern for self protection.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:26 AM

31. Don't see the connection between CCW and the private for profit prison system.

care to elaborate?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #31)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:58 AM

39. Don't see the connection between CCW and the private for profit prison system.

I'm not surprised.


Let's just say, if the cops hadn't killed him, someone would have been going to prison.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #39)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:03 AM

41. Since gun violence is at historic lows and steadily declining

it would appear that their nefarious plot is failing miserably.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:05 AM

63. If the CCW laws are being put forward by investors in privatized prisons (Wells-Fargo),

then those laws could well be an attempt to reverse that declining trend.

Sick, I know, but it's not all that implausible, either; this isn't even conspiracy theory material. What do you think would happen when you give a person, group of people, or corporation a vested financial interest in locking people up:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/12/1082753/-STUNNING-Wells-Fargo-launders-Mexican-drug-cartel-money-then-invests-in-for-profit-prisons?detail=hide

As Wells Fargo has grown over the years, using its bailout funds to gobble up rival Wachovia and expand to the East Coast, so has the U.S. prison population. By 2008, one in 100 American adults were either in jail or in prison – and one in nine black men between the ages of 20 and 34, many simply for non-violent offenses, justice not so much blind as bigoted. Overall, more than 2.3 million people are currently behind bars, up 50 percent in the last 15 years, the land of the free now accounting for a full quarter of the world’s prisoners.
These developments are not unrelated.

A driving force behind the push for ever-tougher sentences is the for-profit prison industry, in which Wells Fargo is a major investor. Flush with billions in bailout money and an economic system designed to siphon wealth from the working class to the idle rich, Wells Fargo has been busy expanding its stake in the GEO Group, the second largest private jailer in America. At the end of 2011, Wells Fargo was the company’s second-largest investor, holding 4.3 million shares valued at more than $72 million. By March 2012, its stake had grown to more than 4.4 million shares worth $86.7 million.


SHOCKER (not), ALEC is involved:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/23/elite-privilege-and-the-prison-industrial-complex/

The number two corporation in Warren Buffet’s stock portfolio is Wells Fargo. Wells Fargo is a major beneficiary of corporate welfare. For instance, they received $43.7 billion in federal taxpayer bailout money. But far more destructive is Wells Fargo’s investment in prison profiteers. Wells Fargo owns 4 million shares in the Geo Group, the second largest private prison corporation in America, and 50,000 shares in the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest private prison corporation in the country. These shares combined are valued at more than $120 million (Source: http://www.cjjc.org/en/news/50-immigrant-rights/215-wells-fargo-divest-from-prisons ).

Companies such as the Geo Group and CCA do not earn their money by providing goods or services to customers. Rather, they make their money solely from the government, and solely for locking human beings in cages, mostly for non-violent offenses. Further, these companies actively lobby for unjust laws, largely using the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a corporatist conservative political group.


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Response to Occulus (Reply #63)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:33 AM

74. Mandatory sentencing laws from the "war on drugs"

is what filled our prisons.


Violent crime was not responsible for the quadrupling of the incarcerated population in the United States from 1980 to 2003. Violent crime rates had been relatively constant or declining over those decades. The prison population was increased primarily by public policy changes causing more prison sentences and lengthening time served, e.g. through mandatory minimum sentencing, "three strikes" laws, and reductions in the availability of parole or early release. These policies were championed as protecting the public from serious and violent offenders, but instead yielded high rates of confinement for nonviolent offenders. Nearly three quarters of new admissions to state prison were convicted of nonviolent crimes. Only 49 percent of sentenced state inmates were held for violent offenses. Perhaps the single greatest force behind the growth of the prison population has been the national "war on drugs." The number of incarcerated drug offenders has increased twelvefold since 1980. In 2000, 22 percent of those in federal and state prisons were convicted on drug charges.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

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Response to hack89 (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:09 PM

82. And who do you think lobbied Congress for these mandatory sentences?



Perhaps those with a financial stake in pushing for mandatory prison terms to keep their private prisons full?

Hmmmm.......




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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #82)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:13 PM

83. So who are they? And what exactly is their connection with CCW?

we can play silly games all day - do you have any actual facts?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #83)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

108. The silliest games are played by those who




wish to be viewed as ignorant of certain facts. They succeed in that quest.

If you wish to know facts, know them. (Ever heard of ALEC?)


For those interested, here is one article on the subject.

http://friendsofjustice.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/profiting-from-prison/

There are many.

(In case you really want want to know and aren't just doing an outrage dance for yourself.)

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #108)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:37 PM

110. So CCW is nothing more than a cover to make private prisons profitable?

yet violent crime rates are falling. What went wrong?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #110)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:35 PM

131. Why are prisons full?



Did the Incarceration Fairy show up and magically make that happen?

I was speaking specifically to those who lobby for mandatory minimum sentencing. The NRA, I believe, is one such entity. Whether CCW fits into the scheme you can figure out for yourself.

Your last two questions simply underscore the economic idiocy of having a ridiculous number of people in prison despite a falling violent crime rate.






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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #131)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 08:47 AM

132. Drug laws and mandatory sentencing law.

Not CCW.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:33 AM

34. Too bad she wasn't Bloomberg's niece.

 

He could have loaned her one of his private body guards.

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:29 AM

12. Do they have anti-murder laws? nt

 

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:06 AM

19. "Were there armed citizens in the restaurant to stop this? "

Actually, I think the Open Carry a-holes were the ones who fired and killed the bystanders!


Does this really need the snark icon?

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Response to greiner3 (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:54 PM

105. Where were the cops?

 

Only minutes away.

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:12 AM

22. Cracker Barrell gets the 60+ crowd for the most part...

 

packing with an oxygen tank is not wise... If this would have happened at a Waffle House,
the CCW crowd would have ended it or at least shot up the place...

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:20 AM

26. Here's a small part.

(E) No person who has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code shall do any of the following:

(1) Knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle unless one of the following applies:

(a) The loaded handgun is in a holster on the person�s person.

(b) The loaded handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover, or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun.

(c) The loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed glove compartment or vehicle console or in a case that is locked.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:01 AM

40. (d) No one's watching.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:03 AM

42. And people who kill people follow rules???

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:51 AM

59. The response was to potentially explain why there were no 'friendlies' with guns inside the

restaurant.

Another explanation could be, there just didn't happen to be anyone in the restaurant that carries at all. Not everyone does. In fact, a very small percentage of people lawfully do so.

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Response to ewagner (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:54 PM

136. More gunnuts to keep us safe from the gunnuts

Makes perfect sense.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:26 AM

11. Tragic. She tried to leave him in public because she was frightened.

She knew she was dead if she tried to leave him on the privacy of their own home. Unfortunately, he killed her and their child anyway.

I know the fear that she felt.

My ex-husband threatened to kill me and my family when I told him I did not love him anymore. He immediately pursued me on a high speed car chase. He tried to run me off of a steep, hilly winding road at over 70 MPH. I escaped (I hid out with friends way out in the country after spending a few nights in my car) only to have him stalk me for almost three months, during which time he terrorized my friends and assaulted one of my co-workers (sending him to the hospital.) He was finally arrested (I had a restraining order and was trying to have divorce papers served on him) and was finally served with the divorce papers.

Long story short, this highly educated, professional computer scientist with upper middle class, millionaire family members (in the 1980s) was a crazy, controlling abuser. His family refused to believe that their brother/son could be like this. After he proceeded to rant in court, the judge told him to shut up and sit down. Then the judge made my ex's brother (an attorney himself) personally responsible for the ex's actions. I finally got the divorce. The ex still threatened me for the next several years. 6 years after the divorce, he called me out of the blue. I told him to never call me again and hung up. He never called again. Good riddance.

If my ex had had a gun, i probably would not have escaped. He was that crazy.

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Response to CottonBear (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:56 AM

16. I have to ask a question...

was your ex always like that? short temper and all? or did he just flip out one day?

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Response to Javaman (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:17 AM

24. He seemed totally normal at first but gradually became abusive and controlling.

I was a very young college student and he was about 10 years older than me. After I graduated and got my first real job, he became more and more controlling. He had abused me. He was mentally and verbally as well as physically abusive. I was planning on leaving him. I'd taken important papers to work for safekeeping. I was so naive and young that I was really unaware of what spousal abuse was until it was too late.

Needless to say, marrying him was the BIGGEST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE. I'm lucky to still be here.

He was from a "good" family. He had two bachelors and a masters degree and a position with a major research university. You never know who might flip out. He was, as it turns out, insanely jealous.

There was a university professor in my town who freaked out and killed his ex-wife and two others a few years ago. He escaped and there was a manhunt. The authorities eventually found him dead of self-inflicted gun shot wounds. Their two children were left orphaned. It was an incredibly sad and awful event.

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Response to CottonBear (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:45 AM

35. Your experience was eerily similar to mine

My ex had a college degree and a prestigious job in the banking sector.

I was fortunate because I had the financial resources to squirrel enough money away to leave while he was away on a business trip. Then I went through two years of hell--he stalked me, threatened me, showed up at my workplace, threatened to kidnap our daughter and take her out of state--for a while, I really thought he would kill me or I would end up killing myself, just to get away from him.

We both made it out. And we're both lucky.

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Response to susanr516 (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:52 AM

79. I cannot imagine going through that with a child.

You and your daughter are so lucky to be safe after two years of hell. Even with financial resources, it is still so very hard to escape the evil clutches of an abuser.

I am a mom now. I was so lucky that I did not have a child with my ex.

We made it. We are so very lucky.

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Response to CottonBear (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:29 AM

49. Dang, that's sounds scary.

Glad to hear you were eventually able to scrape him off.

My curiousity is peaked, though. did you ever suspect him of being manic depressive?

I sadly hear similar stories such as yours where at first the person seems completely normal then over a period of time, (usually a few years) they flip out and become demanding, abusive and down right scary.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:23 AM

73. He had some health issues which were not being addressed.

I suspect that the health issue combined with a controlling personality resulted in his behavior. Looking back on it, I don't think he was manic depressive. He was diabetic and was not controlling it well. However, that doesn't explain insane jealousy and a desire to not have me interact with others, especially my male co-workers. (My career is in a field that is probably 90% or more male dominated.)

I was so incredibly lucky that we did not have children. Otherwise, I'd have to deal with him for the rest of my or his life.

I have no idea what happened to him. This all happened back in 1987. He called me that one time on 1995. He may be dead for all I know. I never want to see or hear from him ever again. If I do, I will immediately call the police.

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Response to CottonBear (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:12 AM

21. My ex-brother-in law tried to choke my sister when she had papers served.

 

She's a nurse and USAF 10 year veteran. She put a Beretta 92 in his face and called the cops. He calls the police before he visits the kids.

Not funny, but since then he's been arrested for assaulting his new girlfriend. There should be a registry for abusive ex's.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:21 AM

28. How awful for your sister. She's lucky to be alive.

The abuser is at his most dangerous when the abused partner tries to leave the relationship. That is why many women stay. Leaving will get you killed. Even if you are middle class and well-educated with financial resources, you are in danger. Poor women with no money or transport and with children hardly have a chance.

I support our local organization/safe house for abused women and their children. It is called Project Safe. They literally save lives.

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Response to CottonBear (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:03 AM

43. I've met our local assistant DA.

 

She spoke at a local Boy Scouts group meeting to kids, siblings and parents about domestic abuse. Working first hand with victims she related stories that made the room so quiet you could hear a pin drop. That was 12 years ago.

She is a wise person. She got our attention and support. She told us here we could covertly donate clothing, bedding, luggage, toiletries and even furniture so that escaping families could get back on their feet. The women's-family shelter location is kept as confidential as possible so ex's can not be tracked down any easier than necessary. I talked my boss into donating our used cell phones to their network for emergency use.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:41 AM

75. Abused Women and Family shelters are life savers. Your assistant DA is doing good work.

I support our local shelter by donating gently used womens clothing, maternity and nursing clothing, children's clothing, toys, books and household goods to their thrift store. Maternity and nursing clothes as well as baby/toddler supplies, gear and toys are among the most needed items. Coffee makers, pots and pans, dishes and microwave ovens also top the list. Bedding, furniture, toiletries and luggage are much needed items here too.

Your boss rocks! The used cell phones donated for emergency use help to save lives.

BTW, I also shop at the shrift store. I've collected a huge library of wonderful books for my little boy!

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:48 AM

37. Cool story, bro.

Mad Ninja skillz!

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #21)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:47 AM

58. Good thing she had that gun.

Looks like she saved her life with it.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:31 PM

84. She learned well in the Air Force.

 

As a flightline nurse for inbound medevac aircraft she could have seen possible duty in a hostile area. The Air Force saw fit to train the ground teams to defend themselves if necessary. She qualified on the M9 and the carbine version of the M16. She was dispatched to Bosnia to help w/the humanatarian efforts after the war there. She did carry a side arm then but saw no hostile action.

What she saw in her ex to marry him I'll never know. He grew up to be as bad as his dad.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #84)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:47 PM

127. A brave veteran.

I'm sure you are very proud of her.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #127)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:32 PM

158. Damn right! nt

 

nt

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Response to CottonBear (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:41 AM

55. An important story. Thank you. nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:43 AM

76. You are welcome.

Abuse can happen to women of any race, ethnicity, religion or economic class.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:56 AM

15. Five cops shot in New Hampshire earlier today

Don't you just love guns?

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:04 AM

18. Don't worry, all those drug suspects had their CCW's.

 

They were life NRA members too.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:12 AM

45. Just another senseless death by gun in America

So the smart part of the brain (the part that doesn't want to be in the line of fire) says: avoid Cracker Barrel, McDonalds, quick stops, etc...

This is how we all learn to live in fear.

Pretty soon every public place will need a weapons scanner.

http://www.google.com/search?q=weapons+scanner

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:15 AM

46. The ironic thing is that gun violence is at historic low and you have never been safer

it is a classic issue of perception not lining up with reality.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #46)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:38 AM

53. Your stats, my stats, we all got stats...

"The United States experiences epidemic levels of gun violence, claiming over 30,000 lives annually, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. For every person who dies from a gunshot wound, two others are wounded. Every year, more than 100,000 Americans are victims of gun violence. In addition to those who are killed or injured, there are countless others whose lives are forever changed by the deaths of and injuries to their loved ones.

Gun violence touches every segment of our society. It increases the probability of deaths in incidents of domestic violence, raises the likelihood of fatalities by those who intend to injure others and among those who attempt suicide, places children and young people at special risk, and disproportionately affects communities of color.

Mass shooting tragedies like the school shootings at Virginia Tech in April 2007 and Northern Illinois University in February 2008 – or the 1993 office shooting in San Francisco that led to the formation of Legal Community Against Violence – receive significant media attention. However, gun deaths and injuries in the U.S. usually occur quietly, without national press coverage, every day."

http://www.lcav.org/statistics-polling/gun_violence_statistics.asp

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:43 AM

56. 1992 - 24,703 murder and nonnegligent manslaughter deaths. 2010 - 14,748 deaths

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Response to hack89 (Reply #56)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:02 AM

62. I take the Public Health approach...

http://www.vpc.org/studies/uninintr.htm

Pro-Handgun Experts Prove That Handguns Are a Dangerous Choice for Self-Defense
Introduction: The Emerging Public Health Debate

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Handguns inflict a staggering toll on our society. More than one million Americans have died in firearm homicides, suicides, and unintentional shootings since 1962. Handguns were used in more than 670,000 of these fatal shootings.4 On average, if someone gets shot and killed, four out of five times it will be with a handgun. In 1998, for example, handguns were used in 80.7 percent of all firearm homicides.5

There is thus plenty of evidence that handguns cause substantial harm and, perhaps more importantly, that America's "gun violence" problem is really a handgun violence problem. But do handguns do enough good to offset the risk of this perennial harm? Pro-gun advocates claim that the utility of handguns for self-defense is a sufficient benefit to justify their incontrovertible risks. This report critically examines that claim.

The key question the public health and safety approach asks of any consumer product is, what are the product's relative risks and benefits? If a product inflicts more harm than is reasonable compared to the good, the inquiry then is whether the cause of harm is a defect in design or some factor inherent in the nature of the product. If the source of harm is a design defect, like a motor vehicle with a tendency to roll over on curves, it may be possible to correct the design. Some products, however, like highly toxic pesticides, are so inherently dangerous that no amount of design modification can make them reasonably safe. In such cases, the product may either be restricted to specific persons or banned outright.

What are the results when we apply this analysis to handguns?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #62)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:18 AM

69. When you can quantify the number of violent crimes or deaths prevented

by the defensive use of hand guns, then we can make a reasonable decision.

Secondly, what percentage of those killings were committed by criminals while carrying out criminal activities? If criminals are the real problem then why not deal with the criminals first?

Bottom line to me - as gun ownership has skyrocketed, gun violence has plummeted. So it would appear to me that the inherent danger of hand guns is being overstated.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #69)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:54 PM

112. the problem is that you gun-promoters want guns to be available to every hot headed asshole in theUS

Hell, you are probably more than a gun-promoter, you probably own stock in those merchants of death or work for them.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #112)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:22 PM

121. Cites to evidence, please. n/t

 

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #112)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:27 PM

123. And yet gun violence is at historic lows and still going down.

it must chap your gun grabbing hide to see all those Americans using guns in such a safe manner.

You have never been safer - take a deep breath and put your fear aside.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #123)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:54 PM

125. Ha! You have no answer, hack ... eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #125)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:01 PM

126. Answer for what? You didn't ask a question. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #46)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:57 PM

90. What is it, only 14,000 killed last year? Yay.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #90)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:18 PM

95. Actually it was 8,775

And this year it will be even less - looks like we are on the right track.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:20 AM

48. What the hell is wrong with some of you?

 

Two innocent people are killed and you make jokes about a restaurant and its food. Where is the empathy for the two dead and their family?
Then even more make light with pro/con gun nut shit, still without any empathy for those killed.
What happened to the Liberal/Progressive/Democrat/caring for people mind set those of us on the Left are supposed to have? No wonder this country is in such deep shit. Too few actually care about others and right/wrong anymore.

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Response to RC (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:43 AM

57. Aw come on...

When you live in a country where gun deaths are reported daily in every newspaper or news source, it is easy to ignore the human suffering. Joking helps integrate the fear, reduce empathy,--ie. help people get used to the level of violence we are forced to live with everyday.

People have to distance from it somehow...especially when you know there is no political will to do anything about it.

So your finger-wagging & guilt-tripping doesn't begin to get to the heart of the problem.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:09 AM

64. But there is the issue in a nut shell - "level of violence we are forced to live with"

by every measure you have never been safer. Violence is at historic lows and still declining. There has been a 50 percent drop in murders by firearms in the past 20 years.

And yet we still get all this emotional fear mongering by people such as yourself to restrict people's civil liberties.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #64)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:14 AM

142. Go to a place where gun violence is not common

and you will see the difference. It is a huge stress to live in fear, and I have had enough bad experiences with guns not to be afraid of the proliferation of them from assault weapons to handguns.

I don't have to do any fear mongering--the fear is already out there. We are all hostages to your "civil liberties." Why do I know people whose relatives (one a young woman innocently shopping) have been killed by them?--because guns are made for killing.

But why are you so worried--nobody's gonna take away your guns.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #142)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:39 AM

143. Like my home town? One murder in 12 years?

violence in America is not evenly distributed. Gun violence is concentrated in poor urban areas where criminal gangs are common. Which makes sense - the war on drugs is the root cause of most gun violence in America.

I am not worried - most Americans understand just how safe they are.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #143)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:56 AM

144. the people I know do not live in poor urban areas

yet their lives have been harmed by guns. You underestimate the stress involved when say (as happened to me) an entire hospital is locked down because a man came in threatening people with a gun. This is just another common occurrence in this country. Your idea that people should only fear gun violence in urban areas is ridiculous. People can't even go into suburban shopping malls safely before Christmas. People from other countries are afraid of having gunmen assault them in their rental cars. People are afraid for their kids in school. Get real, at least admit it's a national problem. You would be amazed at how different it is to live in a society where this kind of fear does not exist. If you think you're "safe" from it--God help ya.

Since you're a gun defender, you should be happy to live in the US where you will never have to worry about even the most reasonable efforts to keep guns out of the hands of killers. Why "responsible gun owners" feel the necessity to keep the worst kind of people armed in the name of "civil liberties" I will never understand. But that's the way it is here--not even reasonable controls exist.

Don't worry you can always be safely armed in America, no need to defend yourself on message boards with people who want a safer country.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #144)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:11 PM

145. All I know is that violence in America has been constantly declining

and is at historic lows. And those trends will continue. And yes, gun violence in America is geographically concentrated - if you avoid certain places your chances of getting shot are near zero.

I think your fear is irrational. There are many more likely ways to be killed that don't appear to terrify you - how many drunk drivers do you think you drive past every day? I know more people that are victims of drunk drivers then guns.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #145)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 05:20 PM

153. OK

back to the original line, I see (statistics show...). The average person does not follow statistical trends. I know that my sister in law was held up at gunpoint in the driveway of her suburban house. That's all I need to know. Gun violence creates a climate of fear in this country-- is my position. And I think it's irrational to carry guns.

But hey, don't worry--you live in a country that doesn't even want to regulate guns. You're safe with your guns. The rest of us are not. Guns are not practical for most people. The people that have them are under a delusion about that. If you're a responsible gun owner, why are you against greater regulation of them? No gun
promoter and defender has ever been able to answer that question...

One day maybe we can have a society where guns are regulated. Until then--it's smart to be fearful, but it takes a terrible toll on society for everyone to be so afraid because of backward thinking about gun regulation..

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #153)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 05:49 PM

156. So irrational fear of rare events based on personal experience

is all you need to limit someone else's civil liberties? We can ignore all facts and statistics as long as we can find someone that is scared of something? Sounds like a RW wetdream - look at all the things they are scared of.

What other fear based laws do you want to pass?

There are over 30,000 gun laws in America - is that what you call no regulation?

If the present state of gun regulation present a danger to society, why is society experience record low rates of gun violence?

In my world, facts and evidence outweigh irrational fear. You don't have any facts or evidence of your own and you flatly refuse to acknowledge mine, so irrational fear is all you left.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #156)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:34 PM

165. Sorry too many negative experiences involving guns

to buy your arguments.

It's not your worry--you're "safe" and your guns will never be taken away from you. So what do you care if others want greater regulation so guns don't get used as easily for their main purpose (killing)? It really doesn't affect you since you're a responsible gun owner, right. The only people who gun control would limit are people who should not have guns.

It's you who has an irrational fear that your guns will be taken away from you. There is no chance. America is a gun culture. Those of us who don't benefit from that sorry state of things have no power. So save yourself for some other battle--this one ain't it.

bye

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #165)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 08:47 AM

169. I have no fear of more gun control - it is a dead issue.

but tell me - what gun control laws do you think we need?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #169)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:01 PM

171. I think you know

how laws could be expanded and actually enforced. But there's no point in debating gun defenders, people who don't care about others but only themselves. There's no way to get across how destructive it is on a psychological level, and on many other levels, to live in a gun culture. Don't you have something better to do than look for target practice on a message board? Maybe go fondle some guns down at the gun shop or something? Or go to the gungeon and find your friends and associates?



I'm outta here.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #171)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 01:06 PM

172. But you don't get it - violence is declining. It is at historically low level and still going down.

you are in a society that gets safer by the year, where gun violence is less common.

Your fear is irrational. Plain and simple.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #171)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:40 PM

173. So many claims and accusations...

 

so little evidence.

Sadly all to common here.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #153)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:41 AM

179. "One day maybe we can have a society where guns are regulated."

 

Ownership and use of guns are currently well regulated. In your immediate vicinity, how many guns are there right now? Zero in my immediate vicinity.

It's the people who abuse them that cause the problems. Your "sister was held up at gun point", that is probably one of the most terrifying experiences a person can have. Criminals are just what they are and they have no respect for the law.

My wife was sexually assaulted on campus (many years ago), that was her turning point on the decision to own firearms. My 17 year old daughter is a proficient shooter. The decision to own firearms will be hers when she's of legal age.

Criminals, robbers, muggers, rapist, wife beaters are not necessarily stupid. Would they take on a 300# gorilla or would they take on a prey they've sized up as one they predict they could overpower? We shouldn't have to live life like that, however in a civilized society some uncivilized elements still walk amoungst us.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:17 AM

68. Yeah, I'm sure you will appreciate the humor

if one of your friends or family members is shot. I'm sure you'll post, "Yes, I loved her, but I realize that you just need to integrate your fear so go ahead and make jokes about my loved one's death." It is mean and cruel.

I would further argue that we should NOT reduce our empathy or accept such violence as routine. And making jokes does not help us "cope." It drags us all down.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #68)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:05 AM

141. humor is a way of coping with horror

always has been, always will be. It does not mean a person is callous.

I don't accept the level of violence in this society. It's a hard thing to live with, day to day. This is what drags us all down. But you tell me how to do anything about it when it is accepted and condoned in America. I don't have a lot of faith that we can change anything as long as guns are so easy to obtain.

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Response to RC (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:13 AM

67. I saw the thread title

and immediately knew that would happen. It would be worse if someone was breast feeding at an Olive Garden.

The swarm mentality here is so predictable -- and in this case -- disgusting and reprehensible.

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Response to RC (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 11:18 AM

70. Cracker Barrel and The Olive Garden are just part of this board's culture.

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Response to RC (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 10:13 PM

129. But gun violence is at historic lows. Statistically, this didn't really happen.

And besides, think of all the people who weren't shot today.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:08 PM

81. Hey, leave him alone - he was standing his ground!

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Response to polichick (Reply #81)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:40 PM

85. How long before the NRA-GOP argues that divorce by gun is a Constitutional right?

"I claim immunity by the power of the 'Divorce By Gun' law."

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Response to onehandle (Reply #85)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:43 PM

86. I wouldn't put anything past them - so sad how those two organizations have...

...damaged this country.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #85)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:50 PM

88. Divorce by gun?

 

I thought you were serious for a moment.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:07 PM

92. The most important thing in all this is that

the killer's right to own a firearm was in no way impeded.

Thank gawd!

The rights of the 3 people to live?

meh.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:10 PM

93. Word to the gun nuts -

every time there is a tragedy involving guns, you all rush to defend their use.

My only question is - who the hell raised you, to make you think that's appropriate? Have you no shame at all?

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #93)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:31 PM

100. Thank you for calling us out.

 

We are verbally attacked and we respond. You expect us to STFU to support the agenda of the prohibitionist?

Our parents taught us to speak up against wrong and to stand up for the weak. Mostly in the first person if necessary.


Shame? Shame on you.

Many of life's problems are caused by people getting in other people's faces and telling them how to run their life differently. I'm a live and let live person. However I do roar if you step on my toes.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #100)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:36 PM

111. I"m sure that those who are mourning the death of an innocent

10-year old appreciate your advice. I wonder if her father "roared" when he blew her brains out?

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #111)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:43 PM

160. Some people don't have a clue.

 

Some people will never get it either.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #93)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:40 PM

101. Every time there is a tragedy involving guns, you all rush to bash "gun nuts"

you don't miss an opportunity to attack us and yet we are expected to remain silent and take it? Don't think so.

How about this - next time there is a tragedy, refrain from using it to advance your political agenda. And we will leave you alone.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #101)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:53 PM

104. It's called moral highground.

 

You'll see the same kind of zealots in the fundamentalist church groups that shackle their congregation to the pews as the church is burning.

A regular moral crusade. Save me from myself.

UFFDA.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #93)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:24 PM

122. Please provides cites to anyone supporting this criminal.

 

We'll wait....

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:17 PM

94. First time I saw a Cracker Barrel, it had a burning truck in the parking lot

I was like "Holy crap, what's all that black smoke up ahead?" Then I saw a fire truck and 5 squad cars trying to put out a Ford F-150 engulfed in flames.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:35 PM

97. top three stories on CNN.com under "latest news":

N.H. police chief shot, killed
3 shot, killed in Ohio restaurant
2 shot, killed at Coast Guard base

I'm not against people having guns; I'm against people with serious anger management problems having guns. Thank goodness the NRA has ensured that we have such effective gun control laws.

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Response to renate (Reply #97)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:01 PM

107. If our gun laws are so ineffective

why are we enjoying historically low levels of gun violence?

There has been a 50 percent decreased in murders with guns since 1992 - do you see that as a failure of our gun control laws?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #107)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:03 PM

115. 50% decline while a major gun control measure was allowed to expire to boot

No more Assault Weapons Ban in effect, and the gun murder rate continues to decline.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #115)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 05:29 PM

124. Well, to be honest, it is not like assault weapons were ever a real threat to public safety

as you well know, the AWB was based on brazen fear mongering.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #124)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:18 PM

137. No kidding.

 

I've never understood how banning pistol grips and flash hiders is supposed to enhance public safety.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

109. She knew

She knew he wouldn't take it well. That's why she told him at a public place.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 05:07 PM

139. Riddle me this - police arrived WHILE she was on the phone with 911.

I get that he got inside with a rifle, but how in hades was he able to kill her and THEN go to the bathroom to shoot and kill one daughter, wounding another, if the police were already on site while she was still on the phone with 911?

Listen here: http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/04/at_cracker_barrel_man_guns_dow.html

One would think that 'shots fired' would have meant they stormed the building, not sat outside long enough for him to hunt down his daughters in the restroom.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #139)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:37 PM

149. You have an armed person inside a public place.

It's a difficult situation and police might want to assess it first before running in with guns.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 05:31 PM

154. This is so sad. What's the solution ?

Is it:

a) every man and woman in the USA carries a handgun either concealed or open, or

b) a radical sea change in American society ?

Somehow, I think option b is the best long-term option.

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #154)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 09:18 AM

170. If your option b involves vast improvements in mental health care and attitudes toward women...

 

...then I agree with you.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #170)

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:21 PM

174. it does, yes nt

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