Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:08 PM
Hissyspit (40,089 posts)
Autopsy Scheduled for Painter Thomas Kinkade
Source: Reuters
Autopsy scheduled for painter Thomas Kinkade Sun Apr 8, 2012 9:35pm EDT LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California coroner is due to conduct an autopsy of Thomas Kinkade on Monday, three days after the famed American painter died unexpectedly, the Los Angeles Times reported on Sunday. Kinkade, whose luminescent, homespun scenes captivated millions even as critics scoffed, died alone at his home in Los Gatos in northern California of apparently natural causes, according to family spokesman David Satterfield. Kinkade was 54. The Santa Clara County coroner will perform the autopsy. Officials have offered no further details on the case. Kinkade claimed to be America's most collected living artist, his prints hanging in the homes of an estimated 10 million Americans. He was a Christian who often depicted scenes from the Bible, and his work expressed a wholesome idealism. Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE83801M20120409?irpc=932
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| Hissyspit | Apr 2012 | OP | |
| tularetom | Apr 2012 | #1 | |
| Hissyspit | Apr 2012 | #3 | |
| jberryhill | Apr 2012 | #4 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #5 | |
| kpete | Apr 2012 | #6 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #7 | |
| XemaSab | Apr 2012 | #9 | |
| ashling | Apr 2012 | #19 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #54 | |
| ashling | Apr 2012 | #56 | |
| Ken Burch | Apr 2012 | #21 | |
| Ian David | Apr 2012 | #34 | |
| rrneck | Apr 2012 | #41 | |
| grantcart | Apr 2012 | #47 | |
| pansypoo53219 | Apr 2012 | #26 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #50 | |
| XemaSab | Apr 2012 | #12 | |
| Mz Pip | Apr 2012 | #13 | |
| Brother Buzz | Apr 2012 | #14 | |
| Ken Burch | Apr 2012 | #23 | |
| Tom Ripley | Apr 2012 | #27 | |
| mopinko | Apr 2012 | #36 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #51 | |
| Brickbat | Apr 2012 | #39 | |
| Ken Burch | Apr 2012 | #22 | |
| mopinko | Apr 2012 | #59 | |
| mopinko | Apr 2012 | #35 | |
| colorado_ufo | Apr 2012 | #60 | |
| Spider Jerusalem | Apr 2012 | #38 | |
| Scairp | Apr 2012 | #65 | |
| lester94111 | Apr 2012 | #2 | |
| Cracklin Charlie | Apr 2012 | #8 | |
| rusty fender | Apr 2012 | #64 | |
| NoodleyAppendage | Apr 2012 | #10 | |
| kwassa | Apr 2012 | #11 | |
| Hissyspit | Apr 2012 | #15 | |
| aquart | Apr 2012 | #16 | |
| dixiegrrrrl | Apr 2012 | #42 | |
| Auggie | Apr 2012 | #30 | |
| marions ghost | Apr 2012 | #66 | |
| Tom Ripley | Apr 2012 | #17 | |
| PatrynXX | Apr 2012 | #18 | |
| EFerrari | Apr 2012 | #24 | |
| Hissyspit | Apr 2012 | #25 | |
| muriel_volestrangler | Apr 2012 | #28 | |
| dixiegrrrrl | Apr 2012 | #44 | |
| lunatica | Apr 2012 | #29 | |
| Auggie | Apr 2012 | #31 | |
| Inuca | Apr 2012 | #32 | |
| cosmicone | Apr 2012 | #49 | |
| rrneck | Apr 2012 | #43 | |
| Hissyspit | Apr 2012 | #45 | |
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| Scairp | Apr 2012 | #67 | |
| rrneck | Apr 2012 | #70 | |
| Beacool | Apr 2012 | #55 | |
| emilyg | Apr 2012 | #20 | |
| Ian David | Apr 2012 | #33 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #52 | |
| Ian David | Apr 2012 | #53 | |
| Mz Pip | Apr 2012 | #68 | |
| Liberal Veteran | Apr 2012 | #37 | |
| Evasporque | Apr 2012 | #40 | |
| AlbertCat | Apr 2012 | #48 | |
| Evasporque | Apr 2012 | #57 | |
| Hissyspit | Apr 2012 | #62 | |
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:18 PM
tularetom (17,405 posts)
1. "wholesome idealism" my ass
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The guy was a hypocrite, a control freak, a scam artist and an alcoholic, not necessarily in that order.
He made a fortune selling his sentimentalized crap to naive cretins and conned his business associates out of millions of dollars. The article mentions the $860k settlement won by two gallery owners who were defrauded by Kinkade, but it says nothing about the fact that the award was increased to $2.8 million by the court. It also omitted some details about curious episodes of odd personal behavior such as the time he took a leak in a Las Vegas elevator to the shock of a carful of patrons. Not meaning to speak ill of the recently deceased, but there are dozens of skeletons in Mr Kinkade's closet, very few of which will be divulged by the media reportng of his demise. |
Response to tularetom (Reply #1)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:37 PM
Hissyspit (40,089 posts)
3. Yes, I'm hating these write-ups.
Response to tularetom (Reply #1)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:48 PM
jberryhill (29,900 posts)
4. Oh come on...
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Who hasn't taken a leak in a Vegas elevator?
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Response to tularetom (Reply #1)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:49 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
5. "wholesome idealism" my ass
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Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (3) "Painter of light" my ass.
I mean, you don't have to be an art nerd to think of many more "real" artists who are more "painter of light" material. Off the top of my pointed head, I bet can come up with 5 in 30 seconds... Vermeer Monet Hopper (not Harper) de la Tour Turner Let's see if I can find examples... Vermeer
Monet
Hopper (not Harper)
de la Tour
Turner
Anyway.... self promotion and consumerism do not make one a "real" artist. Well, I hope he didn't suffer.... BTW.... it's "Hopper" as in Edward Hopper.... not Harper.... as was pointed out to me. Thank you... I have no idea where "Harper" came from since I had to do a search to find a good painting! But all my art education comes from doing research for set and costume design, so y'see, I'm no expert. Still, I do know who Edward Hopper was. No really! And STILL could come up with 5 painters of light in 30 seconds (if not exact) |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #5)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:52 PM
kpete (38,900 posts)
6. Renoir
Landscape on the Coast, near Menton 1883 Pierre-Auguste Renoir |
Response to kpete (Reply #6)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:06 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
7. Then there's this!
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Too soon? |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #7)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:56 AM
ashling (19,234 posts)
19. Is the autopsy really
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going to be performed by 15th century disgusted Dutch artists?
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Response to ashling (Reply #19)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:18 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
54. going to be performed by 15th century disgusted Dutch artists?
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Well, they're 17th century....
But regardless of the century, artists of all stripes will learn nothing from it. |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #54)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:43 PM
ashling (19,234 posts)
56. That's what I meant
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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #7)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:29 AM
Ken Burch (31,245 posts)
21. Wow...TMZ got the autopsy pictures already?
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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #7)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:44 PM
grantcart (38,759 posts)
47. Oddlly I find this picture both "wholesome" and "idealistic".
Response to kpete (Reply #6)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:40 AM
pansypoo53219 (9,320 posts)
26. ACK1 NOOOO!!! monet is the IMPRESSIONISISM krapcaid!
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frothy sugary. at least his later stuff.
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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #26)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:15 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
50. monet is the IMPRESSIONISISM krapcaid!
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I wholeheartedly disagree!
But that's beside the point. All those views of the Houses of Parliament, and Notre Dame.... painter of light! |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #5)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:27 PM
XemaSab (57,430 posts)
12. Apart from Goya, how many painters of darkness have there been?
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Response to XemaSab (Reply #12)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:41 PM
Mz Pip (23,808 posts)
13. Edvard Munch
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Last edited Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:45 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) The Scream come to mind.
Kind of how I felt looking at Thomas Kincaid paintings. http://www.flickr.com/photos/visionshare/5973897005/ |
Response to XemaSab (Reply #12)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:49 PM
Brother Buzz (8,385 posts)
14. Hieronymus Bosch?
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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #14)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:32 AM
Ken Burch (31,245 posts)
23. Is that one titled "The Lawrence Welk Orchestra in Hell"? n/t.
Response to XemaSab (Reply #12)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 05:04 AM
Tom Ripley (2,648 posts)
27. Ad Reinhardt, Frank Stella
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Yeah, I'm a wise guy
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Response to XemaSab (Reply #12)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:31 AM
mopinko (39,659 posts)
36. leon golub.
sue coe
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Response to mopinko (Reply #36)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:39 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
51. leon golub.
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Golub has some very interesting images. I like these...
And his technique is not unlike Egon Schiele:
I must check him out some more. |
Response to XemaSab (Reply #12)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 10:56 AM
Brickbat (14,431 posts)
39. Francis Bacon.
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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #5)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:31 AM
Ken Burch (31,245 posts)
22. But only Thomas Kinkade was a painter of Jesus-lovin' gay-hatin', tax-cut-wantin' GOP light!
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Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:32 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) See the difference?
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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #22)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:21 PM
mopinko (39,659 posts)
59. yeah, that does make it all add up, doesn't it?
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #5)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:24 AM
mopinko (39,659 posts)
35. uh, light was the whole fucking point of the impressionist movement.
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only about a century late for that claim.
and what a smarmy waste of paint. at least i outlived the fucker. |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #5)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 04:42 PM
colorado_ufo (1,930 posts)
60. Just got back from the Monet exhibit at the Bellagio in Vegas -
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A wonderful experience.
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Response to tularetom (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:31 AM
Spider Jerusalem (15,384 posts)
38. There's a lot to be critical of Kinkade about...
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but I really don't think that his alcoholism is something that's fair game, honestly. Addiction is a disease, not a moral failing.
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Response to tularetom (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:57 PM
Scairp (2,250 posts)
65. Big time deadbeat
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Last edited Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:10 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Some years ago my husband was telling me how much Kincade's company owed his in back pay. I can't say what company or the services they provided but suffice it to say it was necessary and I believe his company is just one of many who had to take Kincade to court. And why would they need to do a post on someone who died of natural causes? Don't they usually just do a view, draw fluids and that's it? Seems like a waste of resources.
And how the hell exactly do you spell his name? I've seen it spelled three different ways. Oh, I just remembered, I don't care. |
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:22 PM
lester94111 (22 posts)
2. Isn't there enough coverage of this hack already?
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<eom?
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:19 PM
Cracklin Charlie (562 posts)
8. Caravaggio
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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #8)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:32 AM
rusty fender (771 posts)
64. I was going to post his name as painter of light and dark
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:24 PM
NoodleyAppendage (4,486 posts)
10. Tasteless fools and their money are easily parted...by Kinkade. n/t
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J
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
kwassa (15,668 posts)
11. Autopsy reveals Kincade died from schlock.
Response to kwassa (Reply #11)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:02 AM
aquart (67,538 posts)
16. How does one nominate a DUzy?
Response to aquart (Reply #16)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:29 AM
dixiegrrrrl (30,880 posts)
42. go here and use send mail link
Response to kwassa (Reply #11)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 07:45 PM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
66. good one...
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:12 AM
Tom Ripley (2,648 posts)
17. That's the closest he will ever come to Francis Bacon
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:26 AM
PatrynXX (2,569 posts)
18. must say disappointed in the hate in this thread
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like saying Ken Burns isn't a historian. the fact your arguing if it's art or not reaffirms it's art. So all your doing is making Thomas the better Artist ....
Prefer other modern art. But his light was always best. |
Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:37 AM
EFerrari (163,986 posts)
24. Light as seen from Pluto.
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lol
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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 06:06 AM
muriel_volestrangler (65,367 posts)
28. Not having seen many of his before his death
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Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:54 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) (since he's not talked about in Britain), I have to say his approach to 'light' seemed to be 'whatever time of day, every window in every house must have a light in it'. Which makes some of them look a bit surreal, since the light in the window has to look stronger than daylight. It also doesn't give an impression of reality, in which some lights are on, and others aren't. But I can't work out if there's a 'message' behind this expression.
Maybe there are paintings of his without houses? They might be better. |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #28)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:34 AM
dixiegrrrrl (30,880 posts)
44. He also had flowers, shrubs and trees from3 seasons
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blooming madly at the same time in some of his pics.
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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:20 AM
lunatica (28,859 posts)
29. When you paint light it's supposed to capture what real light does
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Kincaid painted variations on something that was floating around in his head and which have nothing to do with physical reality, or the laws of Nature. Artists try to capture the fleeting moments of what real earthly light does or they deliberately defy what real life shows. Kincaid not only made it all up but he also brought a cotton candy saccharin element to his invented pastoralesque scenes. It's that element of saccharin that turns art critics and artists off, because it shows a strong element of dishonesty which smacks of cynicism. It's formulaic and commercial. In the world of literature it can be compared to the formula writing of the modern romance novel compared to what is considered outstanding literature which mirrors the true messiness of real life.
Maybe in your mind his light was always best, but what are you comparing it to? Real life or some other artists version of what he or she thinks light should be doing instead of what it really does? Nobody set out to hate his art. |
Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:07 AM
Auggie (16,199 posts)
31. As a painter, Kinkade was a fraud. His work was kitsch.
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Response to Auggie (Reply #31)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:13 AM
Inuca (8,916 posts)
32. Agree
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I don't know anything about his life, but his paintings define kitch.
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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:32 AM
rrneck (13,782 posts)
43. It's art.
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But it's bad art. It might work formally or even be interesting technecally, but it was designed to feed off the viewer and our culture.
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Response to rrneck (Reply #43)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:34 PM
Hissyspit (40,089 posts)
45. Speaking as a painting instructor
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it's bad technically, too.
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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #45)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:40 PM
rrneck (13,782 posts)
46. I have to admit I've never seen one in person.
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I will gratefully defer to your evaluation.
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Response to rrneck (Reply #43)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:15 PM
Scairp (2,250 posts)
67. Such bad art
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I have no idea what so many saw in his crap, and enough to pay money for it too. One born every minute they say.
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Response to Scairp (Reply #67)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:37 PM
rrneck (13,782 posts)
70. Tell people what they want to hear
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and they'll line up across the street to get it.
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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:19 PM
Beacool (19,102 posts)
55. I don't get the hate either.
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He wasn't my cup of tea, but I don't understand why people are being nasty about his death. His stuff was quite popular and made him rich, so someone must have been buying his work.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:21 AM
Ian David (68,450 posts)
33. I hope we find out he was murdered by Jon McNaughton. n/t
Response to Ian David (Reply #33)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:47 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
52. LOL!
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Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:48 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) I need to paint a bad painting of McNaughton holding a burning Kinkcade and pointing to it.
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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #52)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:00 PM
Ian David (68,450 posts)
53. Do that! That would be funny! n/t
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #52)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:20 PM
Mz Pip (23,808 posts)
68. Jesus has to be in there
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mayby crying.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:28 AM
Liberal Veteran (20,369 posts)
37. So much for my guess that he would rise again on Sunday.
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It seemed only fitting that he would die on Good Friday and rise on Easter to pay for our kitschy sins of hanging pictures of impossibly narrow roads leading to impossibly lit and impossibly idealized charming cottages in our homes.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:14 AM
Evasporque (2,023 posts)
40. He died of a saccharin overdose....
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Response to Evasporque (Reply #40)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 01:01 PM
AlbertCat (10,450 posts)
48. God... I hope they don't have hurricanes there!
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That cottage is doomed... from even just a Nor'easter!
And the perspective of the steps.... |
Response to AlbertCat (Reply #48)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:52 PM
Evasporque (2,023 posts)
57. But those are soft fluffy waves...
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The light house looks really wrong....the whole thing looks really wrong...
But you know...it is what it is...I knew a guy in Art school that only painted ram's heads.... for four years....rams heads.... |
Response to Evasporque (Reply #57)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:31 PM
Hissyspit (40,089 posts)
62. It's a pastiche of painting clichés
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sewn together like some kind of Frankenstein monster.
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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #62)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:25 AM
Evasporque (2,023 posts)
71. Percy Fraunckenstine says....
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"I find the form reminiscent of a British Romantic having been tied with velvet straps and drug through a Rococo garden by unicorned chariot and a host of cherubs." |
Response to Evasporque (Reply #40)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 03:02 PM
tawadi (1,994 posts)
58. This one does look misproportioned
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Damn, now even I cannot appreciate his paintings as much. I still like the snow scenes.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:15 PM
jmowreader (23,950 posts)
61. There's no need for an autopsy. I know what the cause of death was
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Ol' Tom decided to paint A Major Work on Good Friday in honor of Our Fallen Savior. Jesus didn't like the painting and smited him.
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 10:35 AM
leveymg (26,373 posts)
63. Gotta hand it to him. The man knew his audience and their taste>
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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:27 PM
marions ghost (13,951 posts)
69. People are apparently buying Kinkades right now but you can't buy an original:
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"Interesting side note on the Studio Proof. When the first Thomas Kinkade Gallery was started it was located in Carmel CA, an exclusive community near Pebble Beach. Carmel had by laws that required an art gallery to only sell originals. Thom wanted to keep his originals for himself. So they came up with the Studio Proof and dubbed it a "Semi-Original" because Thom did some hand highlighting on them. This allowed them to start the first Thomas Kinkade Signature Gallery.
And now the most exclusive edition outside of the original of course. The M/E - Masters Edition. Today a Masters Edition is limited to one piece per size per image. In years past there were sometimes more produced, but always a small quantity. A Masters Edition is a piece that Thom entirely repaints just for you. And because there is only one per size of the current releases, it makes it the most collectable. A Masters runs anywhere from $8,000 to $54,000.00 depending on the size. Very exclusive piece, very few around. Originals have not been sold since 1997. Clearing Storms was the last original sold, all the rest have gone into Thom's museum." http://reviews.ebay.com/Former-Kinkade-Gallery-Owner-Answers-Edition-Questions?ugid=10000000004415859 |








