UPDATE: Soldier, gunman who died in Ottawa rampage identified
Source: Otawa Citizen
Soldier killed in War Memorial confirmed as Cpl. Nathan Cirillo
Suspect, reportedly Canadian-born Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, killed in Centre Block shootout
Police call situation fluid'; wont say if other suspects involved
Three victims treated at Ottawa Hospital Civic campus
School lockdown lifted except inside security zone
Read more: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/soldier-shot-at-war-memorial-in-ottawa
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)It is shocking that a Canadian national committed this crime, I'll give you that.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)I got 11,419, the number of gun deaths in the U.S. in 2013 here: http://guns.periscopic.com/?year=2013
Interesting graphic.
OnlinePoker
(5,702 posts)We've had several incidents recently where radicalized Canadian born people have left to go and fight for ISIS. We had two people try to bomb the BC legislature during Canada Day celebrations last year. There was another plot a couple of years ago to storm parliament hill. And then we had another radical run down two soldiers in Quebec the day before last, killing one.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)But point taken regarding troubling history of radicalized Canadian nationals.
MsLeopard
(1,265 posts)Since it's only one shot, we Americans would call it Wednesday morning. In Chicago.
treestar
(82,383 posts)the Capitol building? Or the Tomb of the Unknown soldier. Not all that ordinary.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)But yes, I get the significance of where it took place. This may be a terrorist act or just a nut job copy cat of another killing of a military man a couple days earlier. I imagine the investigation will need some time to confirm this, since the guy isn't talking.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)is more shocking than the average shooting.
The Sergeant at Arms of Parliament is apparently the one that downed the shooter inside Parliament - this guy literally was trying to attack Canada. Apparently in Canada it's not just a ceremonial position!!!
No, this would be very, very shocking in the US. It's not like it's a mall shooting. It's a political assault. And it comes after the attack on soldiers just a few days ago.
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)This has been on all the evening news shows. Him gunning for the Parliament was not apparent from the OP. And the story of the Sergeant at Arms is impressive.
DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)expect Faux news to keep saying "he's arab He's arab!"
7962
(11,841 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)never would have guessed...I guess theres a first for everything.
Iggo
(47,487 posts)So I guess that'd make him a Canadian muslim.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)never would have thought that in a million years.
Iamthetruth
(487 posts)Can you pick it out?
Iggo
(47,487 posts)Iamthetruth
(487 posts)It's obvious
Iggo
(47,487 posts)Please list the obvious.
Iggo
(47,487 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You certainly appear to be answering everything except the question posed. However, I do understand that not everyone possesses the courage of their own convictions, and feel compelled to hide behind innuendo and implication.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)We should declare a war on French. Round up and gas the francophones. Nuke Paris (and Toulouse because it has such a froufy name). French fries will remain freedom fries, of course. French kissing will be prohibited. Women with french nails or french twists shall be beaten with stones until dead.
This is what you mean, right?
Oh wait no, you're thinking Muslim, not francophone. No real difference otherwise, of course.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)So, please educate me: what exactly is the "one constant?
In other words, quit dicking around with ambiguous one-liners and make a statement, if you actually have one.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Bibeau sounds French, but Zehaf sounds like it could be from the Middle East or North Africa originally.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)book his father's name and he was originally from Libya.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)to create a new bunch of jihadis to go fight the original bunch of jihadis we helped created in Syria.
That'll solve the problem.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)demosincebirth
(12,518 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)We're responsible for everything that's bad in this world.
Just in case anyone takes this seriously.
I get so sick and tired of the blame every bad thing on america crowd.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)North Korea
Cuba
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Iran
Syria
Russia
Tunisia
End of sarcasm.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Response to Rhinodawg (Reply #3)
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SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)A long-haired man wielding a double-barreled shotgun brought terror to Canadas capital Wednesday, paralyzing Parliament with a wild shootout after killing a young soldier the second time this week the nation lost a military member to a suspected terrorist...
The chaos was believed to have been the work of a lone shooter identified by U.S. law enforcement sources as Michael Joseph Hall, a recent convert to Islam who was using the name Michael Zehaf-Bibeau. A friend of the killer described him as erratic and possibly mentally ill to a Canadian paper, but cops didn't immediately rule out an accomplice...
Zehaf-Bibeau, 32, reportedly came from a wealthy Montreal home and enjoyed a privileged childhood. His mother is a federal official in Canadas immigration bureau. She divorced his father, a businessman, in 1999. But in recent years Zehaf-Bibeau racked up several drug arrests and The Globe and Mail newspaper reported he was designated a high-risk traveler by the Canadian government and had his passport seized...
The attack came weeks after Harper authorized air strikes against the murderous Islamic State militants who have gobbled up swaths of Iraqi and Syrian territory. And it happened just days after two Canadian armed forces members were hit outside Montreal by a car driven by another recent Muslim convert named Martin Rouleau. One soldier died.
Rouleau, 25, killed by police after a car chase, had changed his name to Ahmed Rouleau. Canadian authorities had confiscated his passport and he was among 90 people being tracked on suspicion of taking part in militant activities abroad or planning to do so. Its not known if Zehaf-Bibeau was part of that group...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooting-reported-parliament-hill-ottawa-hunt-gunman-article-1.1983054
Can't get the pictures to post but they are good ones of the people, the scene and the area. It has the video I posted earlier on this thread. Both were troubled men. Very sorry for the people killed by them and their families. Not sure how Canadians will react to these events.
shenmue
(38,501 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,190 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,278 posts)Very sad.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)There's a very depressed pooch tonight who can't possibly understand why his human is not coming home. Prayers for pooch and all those who knew and loved Mr. Cirillo.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)where did you find that?
Elmergantry
(884 posts)RIP Nathan Cirillo
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)Parasite.
Cha
(295,899 posts)The Globe and Mail ✔ @globeandmail
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#Breaking: Soldier killed at war memorial identified as Cpl. Nathan Cirillo #ottawashooting http://trib.al/LztzGDO
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On Sunday, we asked a very handsome guard for a picture with my friend visiting from Cali - RIP Nathan Cirillo
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http://theobamadiary.com/2014/10/22/a-tweet-or-two-150/
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)Corporal Cirillo.
840high
(17,196 posts)greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)What a terrible loss for us all.
May he rest in peace.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The photo with his little son and dog is so heartbreaking. Smiling happy faces and now he's so tragically gone.
valerief
(53,235 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The SGT. at Arms shot and killed the terrorist as he tried to enter the chambers where the politicians were.
valerief
(53,235 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)it took the life of the terrorist before he could kill those politicians, so the gun did save who knows how many lives today in Canada.
Do you dispute this?
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)and we all know which came first.
Reports have it the gunman had a long gun. Who knows if he was able to get one either because of Harper's junking of the long gun registry, or if he was able to get an illegal gun because, well, we share a border with the US and because of the sheer number of guns, some make it over the border. Either way, it was a gun that started it. If not for that, there would be no need for a gun to finish it. Besides, it's sheer luck (or perhaps skill of the sergeant at arms) no one was hurt in the cross fire.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)he was an RCMP officer for 21 years.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Canada has strict gun-control.
NickB79
(19,111 posts)There are millions of legally owned hunting rifles and shotguns.
Most firearms are subject to magazine capacity limits (generally 3-5 rounds), but you can legally own semi-auto rifles with high-capacity magazines if you know which combo of magazines and rifle to purchase due to various loopholes:
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but when I was spending a lot of time in Alberta, everyone had guns for hunting. I do mean everyone.
bigworld
(1,807 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(56,890 posts)I posted on in yesterday's big thread. This map from the National Post is newer. The article in which it appears, Masked gunman killed after Canadian soldier, Cpl. Nathan Cirillo, fatally shot at National War Memorial, is heavy on the photographs.