Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:14 PM
alp227 (20,405 posts)
Charles Manson, now 77, gets new chance at parole
Source: LA Times
After 11 failed bids for freedom, notorious serial killer Charles Manson, now 77, is up for parole later this month. The parole board rejected his bid in 2007, saying Manson "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with." Manson refused to participate in that hearing, describing himself as a "prisoner of the political system." He also declined to participate in any psychological evaluations in 2007. "He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said at the time. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims." Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/06/BAJP1NVEJR.DTL
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| alp227 | Apr 2012 | OP | |
| slackmaster | Apr 2012 | #1 | |
| rayofreason | Apr 2012 | #2 | |
| RebelOne | Apr 2012 | #9 | |
| IamK | Apr 2012 | #3 | |
| wordpix | Apr 2012 | #34 | |
| Hepburn | Apr 2012 | #39 | |
| Cirque du So-What | Apr 2012 | #4 | |
| raouldukelives | Apr 2012 | #5 | |
| virgogal | Apr 2012 | #6 | |
| cali | Apr 2012 | #12 | |
| BadtotheboneBob | Apr 2012 | #17 | |
| raouldukelives | Apr 2012 | #52 | |
| IamK | Apr 2012 | #20 | |
| chelsea0011 | Apr 2012 | #25 | |
| Mojambo | Apr 2012 | #7 | |
| TheCowsCameHome | Apr 2012 | #8 | |
| Snake Alchemist | Apr 2012 | #10 | |
| Douglas Carpenter | Apr 2012 | #11 | |
| nolabear | Apr 2012 | #15 | |
| polly7 | Apr 2012 | #37 | |
| Tabasco_Dave | Apr 2012 | #16 | |
| Douglas Carpenter | Apr 2012 | #18 | |
| Snake Alchemist | Apr 2012 | #30 | |
| crunch60 | Apr 2012 | #13 | |
| crunch60 | Apr 2012 | #14 | |
| Archae | Apr 2012 | #19 | |
| -..__... | Apr 2012 | #21 | |
| alcibiades_mystery | Apr 2012 | #35 | |
| 3waygeek | Apr 2012 | #22 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Apr 2012 | #23 | |
| chelsea0011 | Apr 2012 | #24 | |
| harmonicon | Apr 2012 | #26 | |
| Lucky Luciano | Apr 2012 | #27 | |
| -..__... | Apr 2012 | #28 | |
| Snake Alchemist | Apr 2012 | #31 | |
| chelsea0011 | Apr 2012 | #44 | |
| harmonicon | Apr 2012 | #48 | |
| Seedersandleechers | Apr 2012 | #29 | |
| Ken Burch | Apr 2012 | #32 | |
| Botany | Apr 2012 | #33 | |
| NoGOPZone | Apr 2012 | #36 | |
| Fuddnik | Apr 2012 | #43 | |
| Hepburn | Apr 2012 | #38 | |
| David__77 | Apr 2012 | #41 | |
| Hepburn | Apr 2012 | #54 | |
| treestar | Apr 2012 | #56 | |
| David__77 | Apr 2012 | #40 | |
| Lydia Leftcoast | Apr 2012 | #42 | |
| Liber-AL | Apr 2012 | #50 | |
| tabasco | Apr 2012 | #55 | |
| chelsea0011 | Apr 2012 | #45 | |
| David__77 | Apr 2012 | #47 | |
| obamanut2012 | Apr 2012 | #53 | |
| treestar | Apr 2012 | #57 | |
| 2ndAmForComputers | Apr 2012 | #46 | |
| jmowreader | Apr 2012 | #49 | |
| Liber-AL | Apr 2012 | #51 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:15 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
1. LOL!
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Fat chance.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:16 PM
rayofreason (2,259 posts)
2. Rot in jail. n/t
Response to rayofreason (Reply #2)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM
RebelOne (26,791 posts)
9. Agreed. This nutcase should stay in jail until his dying day. n/t
Response to IamK (Reply #3)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:11 AM
wordpix (12,475 posts)
34. and now he's a Nazi, to boot. Stay in jail, a-hole
Response to wordpix (Reply #34)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:08 PM
Hepburn (19,014 posts)
39. The tat has been there for YEARS. Nothing new. n/t
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:19 PM
Cirque du So-What (8,826 posts)
4. I believe the public's best interest is served
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by keeping Manson in prison. I also believe his pathology is beyond any attempt at rehabilitation.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
raouldukelives This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:45 PM
virgogal (7,414 posts)
6. The Laura Bush comparison is ridiculous, and Manson was convicted
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of killing a guy named Shea,a caretaker at the ranch.
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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:32 PM
cali (80,112 posts)
12. oh for fuck's sake what a sick disgusting post.
Response to cali (Reply #12)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:19 PM
BadtotheboneBob (355 posts)
17. That pretty much covers it for me...
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... although, I'd include despicable, too, just for added emphasis...
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Response to cali (Reply #12)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:45 PM
raouldukelives (2,371 posts)
52. Well I don't disagree with your assessment.
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And I know I'm way out of bounds and alone in this but I've just felt for a long time now the Bush family has been responsible for more pain, suffering and death than the Manson family.
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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)
IamK This message was hidden by Jury decision.
Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:18 PM
chelsea0011 (8,217 posts)
25. You really don't know much about the Manson Family, do you?
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM
Mojambo (17,421 posts)
7. I think they should let him out only on the condition that he does a reality show with Snooki. n/t
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM
TheCowsCameHome (27,683 posts)
8. He doesn't want to be Romney's VP, either.
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Stay put, Charlie.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:50 PM
Snake Alchemist (3,318 posts)
10. Fingers and toes crossed for you Charlie! nt
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:24 PM
Douglas Carpenter (15,124 posts)
11. when he was very small - his mother once sold him for a pitcher of beer
"Mom was in a café one afternoon with me on her lap. The waitress, a would-be mother without a child of her own, jokingly told my Mom she'd buy me from her. Mom replied, 'A pitcher of beer and he's yours.' The waitress set up the beer, Mom stuck around long enough to finish it off and left the place without me. Several days later my uncle had to search the town for the waitress and take me home." |
Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #11)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:14 PM
nolabear (14,661 posts)
15. The most accurate description for Manson is "incredibly damaged".
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He was damaged to the edge of being human. I make no excuses for him, and I wouldn't parole himfor a million bucks, but I feel real sadness for that child. That child was broken.
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Response to nolabear (Reply #15)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:52 AM
polly7 (7,779 posts)
37. Yes, incredibly damaged is the perfect description, they destroyed what was good in the soul of a
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little boy. It makes me sad too ....... then I think of how the people they murdered suffered, and I think he's where he needs to be also. I believe he knows he has never had a hope of getting parole, and rightly so.
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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #11)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:45 PM
Tabasco_Dave (1,155 posts)
16. I know plenty of former abused children
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who didn't become violent sociopaths.
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Response to Tabasco_Dave (Reply #16)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:20 PM
Douglas Carpenter (15,124 posts)
18. Fortunately very few even severely abused children become violent sociopaths
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If most did we would have probably have at least hundreds of thousands of more of them. But the odds are increased significantly - especially when a child learns at a very early age that they are not wanted or cared for.
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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #11)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:02 AM
Snake Alchemist (3,318 posts)
30. I heard his father invented the question mark. nt
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:52 PM
crunch60 (1,412 posts)
13. Manson himself said he would not attend the hearing. Probably his last, because I read somewhere
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his next parole hearing won't be for another 15 years.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:01 PM
crunch60 (1,412 posts)
14. I do wonder what Charlie's life would have been like, if he had a loving family around him. Must be
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terrible to feel that unloved or unwanted. This is not to say I excuse his crimes in any way.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:23 PM
Archae (26,337 posts)
19. Manson doesn't want to be paroled.
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He knows damn well if he steps outside prison walls someone is going to blow his head off.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:59 PM
-..__... (7,776 posts)
21. What am I missing here?
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his death sentence was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole.
Unless there's some ambiguity in the law (or regardless of sentence... a hearing is till required), then what's the purpose of even having a parole hearing? |
Response to -..__... (Reply #21)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:17 AM
alcibiades_mystery (28,385 posts)
35. WITH the possibility of parole
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Last edited Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:17 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Not WITHOUT the possibility of parole.
Read your own citation more carefully. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:34 PM
3waygeek (2,034 posts)
22. If this had happened a year earlier, and he'd been released...
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ol' Charlie would probably be the Republican nominee by now.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,694 posts)
23. He'll do what he always does
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Put out a statement saying the parole board really would have to be nuts to release him and then be a no-show at his hearing.
Perhaps some time before the next scheduled hearing Father Time will intervene. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:16 PM
chelsea0011 (8,217 posts)
24. What good could this sociopath bring to society by releasing him?
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Last edited Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:25 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Can you imagine having Charles Manson staying in a halfway house in any neighborhood?
Parole board, "So Charles, what would you do if you were granted parole"? Charles, (incoherent mumbling for 30 minutes". Parole board, "DENIED". |
Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #24)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:30 PM
harmonicon (11,927 posts)
26. At the same time, what harm could he do?
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I wouldn't care if he lived next door to me. What do we gain by having him in prison? Let him use his own money to pay for his housing and healthcare. I really don't think anything is being accomplished by having him locked up.
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Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:58 PM
Lucky Luciano (5,165 posts)
27. I assume u r just kidding. nt
Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:09 AM
-..__... (7,776 posts)
28. "I wouldn't care if he lived next door to me"
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Sure... why not.
"Hey Charlie... I'm throwing a BBQ next week end... come on by if you're free". "Chuck, me and the wife will be out of town this weekend. " I don't want to inconvenience you... but would you mind keeping an eye out for our kids"? |
Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:05 AM
Snake Alchemist (3,318 posts)
31. this has sitcom written all over it. nt
Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:59 PM
chelsea0011 (8,217 posts)
44. Yea, right. He's a new man. Hell, put him on the Today show for a makeover.
Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #44)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:58 PM
harmonicon (11,927 posts)
48. I didn't say that.
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I'm sure he'd be pretty closely watched if paroled, and maybe even have an ankle bracelet or something. In either case, I'm not afraid of the guy killing me or anyone else. Seriously, the house next door to me is vacant, and I could give a shit if he lived there.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:39 AM
Seedersandleechers (2,612 posts)
29. "I taught a parrot to say mother-fucker"
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When asked in a prison interview what was the worst thing he ever did - that was his reply.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:31 AM
Ken Burch (31,224 posts)
32. If he gets paroled...will Charlie audition for the Monkees again?
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Now that Davy's gone...they do have a vacancy.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:56 AM
Botany (36,027 posts)
33. Well Mitt is looking for a Veep candidate to balance the ticket
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No Charlie you will never step foot outside of prison again |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:35 AM
NoGOPZone (2,642 posts)
36. he'd never get parole even if he took the hearings
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seriously, which he doesn't seem to do, either using them as a forum to ramble on about unrelated matters or skipping them entirely.
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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #36)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:26 PM
Fuddnik (4,421 posts)
43. He's sane enough to know he's not going anywhere. Ever.
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:07 PM
Hepburn (19,014 posts)
38. Jeeeeeeeeeez, let the sucker die in Jail.
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He's nearly 80 years old. WTF is he gonna do on the outside?
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Response to Hepburn (Reply #38)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:43 PM
David__77 (14,106 posts)
41. That is exactly a reason to release someone, not keep them in prison.
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If he won't "do anything" on the outside, then why keep him in prison?
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Response to David__77 (Reply #41)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:41 AM
Hepburn (19,014 posts)
54. By "do", I did not mean cause some sort of harm.
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A release from prison means probation or parole and there are requirements involved. At his age, I doubt if he could "do" anything that would allow him to live any sort or type of a regular life. I am guessing that his refusal to attend his parol hearings is an indication that he is aware that he most like would not be successful on the outside. He would have no protection from those who saw him as a curiosity or those who sought revenge or those who wished to exploit him. Anywhere he lived, most likely a side show would result and neighbors who most likely not wish to have him there to begin with and once the publicity, he most likely would not be welcomed at all.
Like I said, let him die in prison. |
Response to Hepburn (Reply #54)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:09 AM
treestar (40,421 posts)
56. The story is that when he was young and being released
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from prison he told the authorities that they should not release him. He knows he belongs in jail.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:42 PM
David__77 (14,106 posts)
40. So, did he actually kill anyone?
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What exactly is he legitimately convicted of? At a minimum, if the thought is that he's a danger to society due to "insanity," then he can be paroled to some sort of facility other than a prison. This would not be so much to rehabilitate the person, but as a measure of humanity.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #40)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:20 PM
Lydia Leftcoast (46,794 posts)
42. Inciting other people to kill is a crime, too
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There was a case in Minnesota when I was a teenager in which a prominent attorney hired someone to hire someone to kill his wife and make it look like a home invasion. All three were found guilty of murder.
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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #42)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:52 PM
Liber-AL (71 posts)
50. That ain't inciting, it's conspiracy.
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An example of inciting people to kill might be the rants of certain right wing talk show hosts.
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Response to Liber-AL (Reply #50)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:00 AM
tabasco (18,283 posts)
55. Even if Manson was only guilty of conspiracy,
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the sentence for conspiracy is the same as the crime conspired.
But Manson was convicted of seven counts of first degree murder. |
Response to David__77 (Reply #40)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:05 PM
chelsea0011 (8,217 posts)
45. Oh, please. He hogtied the LaBianca family and ordered his pathetic group to slaughter them
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because he didn't like the messy job done the night before on the Tate massacre. But he didn't kill anybody.
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Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #45)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:32 PM
David__77 (14,106 posts)
47. So it's conspiracy.
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Even if he used his own hand, I'm not sure it changes anything, because the question is whether or not he is currently a threat to society if paroled. Under restricted conditions, I don't see a problem.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #47)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:16 AM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
53. You don't see a problem with Manson released from priosn???
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Seriously?
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Response to David__77 (Reply #40)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:11 AM
treestar (40,421 posts)
57. He's convicted of murder
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And conspiracy to commit murder.
Someone who hires a hit man doesn't literally kill anyone either. But they are still guilty of murder and conspiracy. Manson didn't have to pay his looney followers to do his bidding. Read the book written by Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor, "Helter Skelter." It's very interesting. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:16 PM
2ndAmForComputers (3,307 posts)
46. Why won't this useless amalgamation of mostly carbon just get cancer already?
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:41 PM
jmowreader (23,902 posts)
49. Not only can't they release him, they can't even bury him outside the prison walls
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If they did, within six months the jails in California would be so crowded with misdemeanor public indecency cases, the California State Legislature would have to pass a bill of attainder legalizing the practice of urinating on Charles Manson's grave.
No, Manson is right where he belongs. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:57 PM
Liber-AL (71 posts)
51. Good thang he wasn't jailed in Mississippi
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That looney ex governor might have pardoned him!
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