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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:14 PM

Charles Manson, now 77, gets new chance at parole

Source: LA Times

After 11 failed bids for freedom, notorious serial killer Charles Manson, now 77, is up for parole later this month.

The parole board rejected his bid in 2007, saying Manson "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with."

Manson refused to participate in that hearing, describing himself as a "prisoner of the political system." He also declined to participate in any psychological evaluations in 2007.

"He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said at the time. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/06/BAJP1NVEJR.DTL

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Reply Charles Manson, now 77, gets new chance at parole (Original post)
alp227 Apr 2012 OP
slackmaster Apr 2012 #1
rayofreason Apr 2012 #2
RebelOne Apr 2012 #9
IamK Apr 2012 #3
wordpix Apr 2012 #34
Hepburn Apr 2012 #39
Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #4
raouldukelives Apr 2012 #5
virgogal Apr 2012 #6
cali Apr 2012 #12
BadtotheboneBob Apr 2012 #17
raouldukelives Apr 2012 #52
IamK Apr 2012 #20
chelsea0011 Apr 2012 #25
Mojambo Apr 2012 #7
TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #8
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #10
Douglas Carpenter Apr 2012 #11
nolabear Apr 2012 #15
polly7 Apr 2012 #37
Tabasco_Dave Apr 2012 #16
Douglas Carpenter Apr 2012 #18
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #30
crunch60 Apr 2012 #13
crunch60 Apr 2012 #14
Archae Apr 2012 #19
-..__... Apr 2012 #21
alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #35
3waygeek Apr 2012 #22
Jack Rabbit Apr 2012 #23
chelsea0011 Apr 2012 #24
harmonicon Apr 2012 #26
Lucky Luciano Apr 2012 #27
-..__... Apr 2012 #28
Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #31
chelsea0011 Apr 2012 #44
harmonicon Apr 2012 #48
Seedersandleechers Apr 2012 #29
Ken Burch Apr 2012 #32
Botany Apr 2012 #33
NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #36
Fuddnik Apr 2012 #43
Hepburn Apr 2012 #38
David__77 Apr 2012 #41
Hepburn Apr 2012 #54
treestar Apr 2012 #56
David__77 Apr 2012 #40
Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #42
Liber-AL Apr 2012 #50
tabasco Apr 2012 #55
chelsea0011 Apr 2012 #45
David__77 Apr 2012 #47
obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #53
treestar Apr 2012 #57
2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #46
jmowreader Apr 2012 #49
Liber-AL Apr 2012 #51

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:15 PM

1. LOL!

 

Fat chance.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:16 PM

2. Rot in jail. n/t

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Response to rayofreason (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM

9. Agreed. This nutcase should stay in jail until his dying day. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:16 PM

3. photo below....

 

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Response to IamK (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:11 AM

34. and now he's a Nazi, to boot. Stay in jail, a-hole

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Response to wordpix (Reply #34)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:08 PM

39. The tat has been there for YEARS. Nothing new. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:19 PM

4. I believe the public's best interest is served

by keeping Manson in prison. I also believe his pathology is beyond any attempt at rehabilitation.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:45 PM

6. The Laura Bush comparison is ridiculous, and Manson was convicted

of killing a guy named Shea,a caretaker at the ranch.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:32 PM

12. oh for fuck's sake what a sick disgusting post.

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:19 PM

17. That pretty much covers it for me...

... although, I'd include despicable, too, just for added emphasis...

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Response to cali (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:45 PM

52. Well I don't disagree with your assessment.

And I know I'm way out of bounds and alone in this but I've just felt for a long time now the Bush family has been responsible for more pain, suffering and death than the Manson family.

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Response to raouldukelives (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:18 PM

25. You really don't know much about the Manson Family, do you?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM

7. I think they should let him out only on the condition that he does a reality show with Snooki. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:49 PM

8. He doesn't want to be Romney's VP, either.

Stay put, Charlie.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:50 PM

10. Fingers and toes crossed for you Charlie! nt

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:24 PM

11. when he was very small - his mother once sold him for a pitcher of beer

"Mom was in a café one afternoon with me on her lap. The waitress, a would-be mother without a child of her own, jokingly told my Mom she'd buy me from her. Mom replied, 'A pitcher of beer and he's yours.' The waitress set up the beer, Mom stuck around long enough to finish it off and left the place without me. Several days later my uncle had to search the town for the waitress and take me home."

John Gilmore in his insightful book called The Garbage People describes how Charlie adapted to this life of emptiness and violence:

He kept to himself. Though friendless, his young mind bypassed the loneliness of his surroundings. He watched, listened, pretended his imaginative resources knew no limit. And he began to steal, as if to hold onto something that continually flew away. There was a consistency and permanency to the habit of stealing and it became easier. With everything transient, the thefts and goods he carried with him offered a sense of stability, a kind of reward. An object owned gave identity to an owner, an identity that had yet to be acknowledged.

Charles Manson at 14 When he was nine, he was caught stealing and sent to reform school and then later when he was twelve, he was caught stealing again and sent to the Gibault School for Boys in Terre Haute, Indiana, in 1947. He ran away less than a year later and tried to return to his mother who didn't want him. Living entirely by stealing and burglary, he lived on his own until he was caught. The court arranged for him to go to Father Flanagan's Boys Town.


Charles Manson at 14


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/manson/14.html

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:14 PM

15. The most accurate description for Manson is "incredibly damaged".

He was damaged to the edge of being human. I make no excuses for him, and I wouldn't parole himfor a million bucks, but I feel real sadness for that child. That child was broken.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:52 AM

37. Yes, incredibly damaged is the perfect description, they destroyed what was good in the soul of a

little boy. It makes me sad too ....... then I think of how the people they murdered suffered, and I think he's where he needs to be also. I believe he knows he has never had a hope of getting parole, and rightly so.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:45 PM

16. I know plenty of former abused children

who didn't become violent sociopaths.

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Response to Tabasco_Dave (Reply #16)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:20 PM

18. Fortunately very few even severely abused children become violent sociopaths

If most did we would have probably have at least hundreds of thousands of more of them. But the odds are increased significantly - especially when a child learns at a very early age that they are not wanted or cared for.

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:02 AM

30. I heard his father invented the question mark. nt

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:52 PM

13. Manson himself said he would not attend the hearing. Probably his last, because I read somewhere

 

his next parole hearing won't be for another 15 years.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:01 PM

14. I do wonder what Charlie's life would have been like, if he had a loving family around him. Must be

 

terrible to feel that unloved or unwanted. This is not to say I excuse his crimes in any way.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:23 PM

19. Manson doesn't want to be paroled.

He knows damn well if he steps outside prison walls someone is going to blow his head off.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:59 PM

21. What am I missing here?

 

his death sentence was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole.


Unless there's some ambiguity in the law (or regardless of sentence... a hearing is till required), then what's the purpose of even having a parole hearing?

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Response to -..__... (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:17 AM

35. WITH the possibility of parole

Not WITHOUT the possibility of parole.

Read your own citation more carefully.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:34 PM

22. If this had happened a year earlier, and he'd been released...

ol' Charlie would probably be the Republican nominee by now.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 08:42 PM

23. He'll do what he always does

Put out a statement saying the parole board really would have to be nuts to release him and then be a no-show at his hearing.

Perhaps some time before the next scheduled hearing Father Time will intervene.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:16 PM

24. What good could this sociopath bring to society by releasing him?

Can you imagine having Charles Manson staying in a halfway house in any neighborhood?

Parole board, "So Charles, what would you do if you were granted parole"?
Charles, (incoherent mumbling for 30 minutes".
Parole board, "DENIED".

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Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #24)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:30 PM

26. At the same time, what harm could he do?

I wouldn't care if he lived next door to me. What do we gain by having him in prison? Let him use his own money to pay for his housing and healthcare. I really don't think anything is being accomplished by having him locked up.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:58 PM

27. I assume u r just kidding. nt

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:09 AM

28. "I wouldn't care if he lived next door to me"

 

Sure... why not.

"Hey Charlie... I'm throwing a BBQ next week end... come on by if you're free".

"Chuck, me and the wife will be out of town this weekend.

" I don't want to inconvenience you... but would you mind keeping an eye out for our kids"?

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:05 AM

31. this has sitcom written all over it. nt

 

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #26)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:59 PM

44. Yea, right. He's a new man. Hell, put him on the Today show for a makeover.

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Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:58 PM

48. I didn't say that.

I'm sure he'd be pretty closely watched if paroled, and maybe even have an ankle bracelet or something. In either case, I'm not afraid of the guy killing me or anyone else. Seriously, the house next door to me is vacant, and I could give a shit if he lived there.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:39 AM

29. "I taught a parrot to say mother-fucker"

When asked in a prison interview what was the worst thing he ever did - that was his reply.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:31 AM

32. If he gets paroled...will Charlie audition for the Monkees again?

Now that Davy's gone...they do have a vacancy.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 09:56 AM

33. Well Mitt is looking for a Veep candidate to balance the ticket



No Charlie you will never step foot outside of prison again

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:35 AM

36. he'd never get parole even if he took the hearings

seriously, which he doesn't seem to do, either using them as a forum to ramble on about unrelated matters or skipping them entirely.

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #36)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 05:26 PM

43. He's sane enough to know he's not going anywhere. Ever.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:07 PM

38. Jeeeeeeeeeez, let the sucker die in Jail.

He's nearly 80 years old. WTF is he gonna do on the outside?

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:43 PM

41. That is exactly a reason to release someone, not keep them in prison.

If he won't "do anything" on the outside, then why keep him in prison?

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Response to David__77 (Reply #41)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:41 AM

54. By "do", I did not mean cause some sort of harm.

A release from prison means probation or parole and there are requirements involved. At his age, I doubt if he could "do" anything that would allow him to live any sort or type of a regular life. I am guessing that his refusal to attend his parol hearings is an indication that he is aware that he most like would not be successful on the outside. He would have no protection from those who saw him as a curiosity or those who sought revenge or those who wished to exploit him. Anywhere he lived, most likely a side show would result and neighbors who most likely not wish to have him there to begin with and once the publicity, he most likely would not be welcomed at all.

Like I said, let him die in prison.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #54)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:09 AM

56. The story is that when he was young and being released

from prison he told the authorities that they should not release him. He knows he belongs in jail.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:42 PM

40. So, did he actually kill anyone?

What exactly is he legitimately convicted of? At a minimum, if the thought is that he's a danger to society due to "insanity," then he can be paroled to some sort of facility other than a prison. This would not be so much to rehabilitate the person, but as a measure of humanity.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:20 PM

42. Inciting other people to kill is a crime, too

There was a case in Minnesota when I was a teenager in which a prominent attorney hired someone to hire someone to kill his wife and make it look like a home invasion. All three were found guilty of murder.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #42)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:52 PM

50. That ain't inciting, it's conspiracy.

 

An example of inciting people to kill might be the rants of certain right wing talk show hosts.

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Response to Liber-AL (Reply #50)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:00 AM

55. Even if Manson was only guilty of conspiracy,

the sentence for conspiracy is the same as the crime conspired.

But Manson was convicted of seven counts of first degree murder.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:05 PM

45. Oh, please. He hogtied the LaBianca family and ordered his pathetic group to slaughter them

because he didn't like the messy job done the night before on the Tate massacre. But he didn't kill anybody.

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Response to chelsea0011 (Reply #45)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:32 PM

47. So it's conspiracy.

Even if he used his own hand, I'm not sure it changes anything, because the question is whether or not he is currently a threat to society if paroled. Under restricted conditions, I don't see a problem.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:16 AM

53. You don't see a problem with Manson released from priosn???

Seriously?

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Response to David__77 (Reply #40)

Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:11 AM

57. He's convicted of murder

And conspiracy to commit murder.

Someone who hires a hit man doesn't literally kill anyone either. But they are still guilty of murder and conspiracy.

Manson didn't have to pay his looney followers to do his bidding.

Read the book written by Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor, "Helter Skelter." It's very interesting.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:16 PM

46. Why won't this useless amalgamation of mostly carbon just get cancer already?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:41 PM

49. Not only can't they release him, they can't even bury him outside the prison walls

If they did, within six months the jails in California would be so crowded with misdemeanor public indecency cases, the California State Legislature would have to pass a bill of attainder legalizing the practice of urinating on Charles Manson's grave.

No, Manson is right where he belongs.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:57 PM

51. Good thang he wasn't jailed in Mississippi

 

That looney ex governor might have pardoned him!

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