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Judi Lynn

(160,450 posts)
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:36 PM Sep 2014

Wesleyan orders fraternities to become coed

Source: Associated Press

Wesleyan orders fraternities to become coed
By PAT EATON-ROBB, Associated Press | September 22, 2014 | Updated: September 22, 2014 7:50pm

MIDDLETOWN, Conn. (AP) — Wesleyan University in Connecticut on Monday ordered its fraternities with houses on campus to become coeducational within three years, a move it says is not just about bad behavior but also equality.

Wesleyan follows Trinity College in Hartford, which began the transition starting in 2012, citing problems with drinking and drug use in Greek organizations. It also comes less than a month after Wesleyan closed the Beta Theta Pi fraternity house after a woman attending a party there was seriously injured after falling from a third-floor window.

But school spokeswoman Kate Carlisle said the changes are not a response to any one incident.

"This has been the subject of ongoing concern and discussion among the people in the administration, the school community, the alumni community and so forth for a number of years," she said.

The decision was announced in a letter to the university community from President Michael Roth and trustees Chairman Joshua Boger. It requires Greek organizations with houses on campus to have both male and female members and to have each gender "well represented" in their organizational leadership to qualify for housing on campus and the use of university spaces.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Wesleyan-orders-fraternities-to-become-coed-5772315.php

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Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
2. So basically lose the distinction between fraternities and sororities?
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:02 PM
Sep 2014

Stupid headline unless "It requires Greek organizations with houses on campus to have both male and female members and to have each gender "well represented" in their organizational leadership to qualify for housing on campus and the use of university spaces" is not accurate.

Why say fraternities when the article says "Greek organizations" which would include both?

wysi

(1,512 posts)
3. It will force the national offices of those fraternities to revoke the charters for that campus...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:13 PM
Sep 2014

... which is probably what Wesleyan is intending to have happen.

Warpy

(111,164 posts)
4. Right, by their very nature
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 10:44 PM
Sep 2014

it's a poor idea to try to make them coed, putting all the burden of civilizing a bunch of frat boys onto the shoulders of women who haven't figured it out yet, themselves. It won't work and would be extremely hard on the women.

No frats or sororities at all sounds like a better idea.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
10. I am a member of a coed fraternity
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:43 AM
Sep 2014

About 20 chapter houses nationwide. They have a woman's only floor. It works. Give it a chance.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. Yeah, because we all know sorority girls are all innocent little beings, college boys are evil
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:29 AM
Sep 2014

Sure LOL















Need more examples?

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
16. I'm not sure, the Psi Upsilon chapter on my campus was Co-ed, although the national wasn't.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:11 PM
Sep 2014

Fraternities sometimes do make exceptions for such things, and if I understand correctly, Psi Upsilon is one of the two Greek organizations on their campus.

One of three things will happen, the group will move off-campus, they'll disband, or they will go co-ed, and I think the school is seeing all of these things as a better option than what they currently have.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
6. The school has no resident sororities, which explains the headline...
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:37 AM
Sep 2014

"The school has no residential sororities and just two active all-male residential fraternities – Delta Kappa Epsilon and Psi Upsilon."

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
11. I am an APO brother. Worked for us.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:28 AM
Sep 2014

Granted, we were a service fraternity and didn't have an official house (though we had an unofficial one), but honestly, having a co-ed fraternity worked for us. And guess what? No women got raped at our parties.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
12. This isn't going to go well...or how WU expects it will.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:01 AM
Sep 2014

What will happen is that their current non-coed fraternities will likely move to off-campus housing where the university will be able to exert even less control over them and there will be even less supervision and more problems. This doesn't solve the issues of a Greek system, it magnifies them...if you have systemic homophobia, you will have more homophobia; if you have underaged drinking, you'll have more underaged drinking; if you have a culture of violence, exploitation and abuse towards women (or if you prefer to put it this way: "If you have a rape culture&quot , you're more likely to have rape, violence, exploitation and sexual abuse. It's hard enough to combat systemic problems without engaging in pointless, stupid and short-sighted faux-equality actions which do little other than make it harder to combat systemic problems. If the goal was to get their nationals to revoke the charters, that is not likely to happen; it's more likely that WU ends up in court where universities have fared poorly on this front.

Having been a fraternity man, a chapter officer, an IFC officer, a national board of directors member and a university Greek-life administrator--there's a reason why most entities from nationals, to IFCs, to I believe the even NPC/NIC, oppose these kinds of actions or any action which will act to push on-campus housed Greeks to off-campus housing...and it's not tradition, it's risk-awareness.

We engage in sustained campaigns to push chapters to accept on-campus housing precisely because it fixes a lot of the run-away stupidity that comes from cohabitation of 20-30 poorly-socialized on-their-own-for-the-first-time without-supervision 17-23 year olds. You work to get them into on-campus housing and under the supervision of a professional adult house parent employed by the university and approved by the alumni or national association of the fraternity (Usually, a 27-40 year old responsible fraternity alumni with experience in campus housing.)...not work to get them out of such housing.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. Setting the drinking age at 18 would go a long way to killing off these organizations.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:29 AM
Sep 2014

There is a reason this culture does not exist in places like the UK, where the drinking age is 18 and people can drink and socialize in pubs and restaurants in full public view. The "keggers" culture where under-21s will binge drink in private because they cannot drink in public places is a product of the drinking age being 21.

And I would add that if the drinking age were lowered to 18, I would fully support keeping the BAC tolerance at zero for under-21s who drive.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
15. When I was in college in the mid '70s here in the U.S., the drinking age was 18.
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

We did quite a bit of socializing in the pub/casual dining places, but the majority of the major parties were either in dorms (where booze could be brought in legally) or off-campus apartments.

There were some sororities and fraternities, but there were also quite a few abandoned Greek houses. "Greek" just wasn't much of a social force on campus then. Of course, the campus had been quite radical during the Viet Nam War, and radicals didn't live in sorority and fraternity houses.

As you know, the US is very much car oriented. IIRC, the Federal Government decided that the alcohol-related accidents among 18-20 year olds was too high, and the Transportation Department refused funds to states that did not return the drinking age to 21. I'm not sure that your idea would fly, but I think that it would be a good one. It would get younger people used to the idea of the designated driver.

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