Judge: Iran, Taliban, al Qaeda liable for 9/11

[alp227]

Last edited Sat Dec 24, 2011, 03:39 AM - Edit history (1)

(AP)

NEW YORK - A federal judge has signed a default judgment finding Iran, the Taliban and al Qaeda liable in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Judge George Daniels in Manhattan signed the judgment Thursday, a week after hearing testimony in the 10-year-old case. The signed ruling, which he promised last week, came in a $100 billion lawsuit brought by family members of victims of the attacks. He directed a magistrate judge to preside over remaining issues, including fixing compensatory and punitive damages.

Daniels signed findings of fact saying the plaintiffs had established that the 2001 attacks were caused by the support the defendants provided to al Qaeda. The findings also said Iran continues to provide material support and resources to al Qaeda by providing a safe haven for al Qaeda leadership and rank-and-file al Qaeda members.

During last week's open-court hearing, family members of Sept. 11 victims sat through a four-hour presentation from attorneys who cited evidence supporting their claims that Iran actively assisted the hijackers of planes that crashed into the World Trade Center towers, at the Pentagon and into a field in Pennsylvania. Former members of the Sept. 11 Commission and three Iranian defectors also spoke.

full: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57347506/judge-iran-taliban-al-qaeda-liable-for-9-11/

and this judge is a Clinton nominee who has served since 2000, not a wingnut at all.

[PSPS]

1. Notice no mention of Saudi Arabia -- home and financier of the 9/11 perpetrators.

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. Might get added back in to the suit

Saudi Arabia had been knocked out of the lawsuit, but lawyers filed papers on Thursday to reinstate Saudi Arabia as a defendant.

[freshwest]

23. Can they sue Bandar Bush while they're at it?

[DissedByBush]

21. The Saudi government revoked his Saudi citizenship in the mid 90s

And got his family to disown him.

Though others in Saudi Arabia were still able to fund him, this probably is what got government of Saudi Arabia off the hook.

[jschurchin]

50. Did the Saudi government revoke

The citizenship of the 14 that were part of the gang of 19? Just asking.

[DissedByBush]

73. I don't think they were high profile enough n/t

[Mosby]

51. Are you talking about Bandar bin Sultan?

He was the Saudi ambassoador to the US until 2005. No one in his family has disowned him.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. Then Shrub, is liable for Iraq and sqaundering lives and trillions.

[Politicalboi]

3. Wrong

Did this judge read the 9/11 joke of a commission? The people should sue Bush/Cheney for this, NO ONE else. What a bunch of shit. I hope these families are happy living a lie.

[24601]

76. I'd recommend any suit determine who reduced our intelligence community 40% in the decade preceeding

the attacks.

And then acted surprised that we were surprised.

[teddy51]

4. Good luck with proving that case. Once they open this can of worms the lid is going to come off

and a new investigation of 911 should be opened.

[BlueToTheBone]

6. Is this the door into Iran? n/t

[AnOhioan]

13. My thoughts exactly, Get ready for Iraq (Part 2), in other words Iran

Seems like old times...waiting for Condi to mention the smoking mushroom cloud.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

41. More like Condi eating magic mushrooms and seeing clouds.

[XemaSab]

70. Fighting a land war with the Soviet Union would be easier

Iran is the size of Alaska with the topography of Afghanistan and twice the population of California.

[AnOhioan]

71. Of course it would...the Soviet Union no longer exists :)

Sorry..a bit of smartass in me today but you do make a valid point...Iran would not an easy war in anyone's book.

[alp227]

17. As McCain sang, bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!

[dotymed]

30. Yes it is.

That can be the only reason that Iran is even mentioned. Saudi Arabia and maybe the bin laden family along with American policy caused 9-11, IF it wasn't an American operation to start various wars and expand government powers.
Personally, i believe that it was another Reichstag burning.

p.s. I want my spell check back!

[Myrina]

60. Yes, indeed.

Sadly.

[DeathToTheOil]

63. As soon as I saw the headline,

I thought, "Let the bullshit begin anew."

[Muskypundit]

7. Iran is liable for 9/11 because they provided material support

To them AFTER 9/11? How bizarre. I guess we have to attack Iran for 9/11 too. I mean, we already got one of the big perps by invading Iraq. What more can another war under false pretenses hurt?

[Angry Dragon]

8. I believe this is called a 'kangaroo court'

[uppityperson]

9. Nothing about Saudis, just Iran providing support after 911? Good grief.

[orpupilofnature57]

10. Bandar Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan

[coalition_unwilling]

11. How in the world is Iran "liable" for 9-11? Not even the 9-11

Commission found any Iranian involvement. WTF?

Saying Iran is liable for 9-11 is worse than the craziest conspiracy theory, imo. That judge is friggin' insane.

[alp227]

27. I should've added this earlier but this judge isn't a Republican nominee but a Clinton nom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_B._Daniels

[Poll_Blind]

12. LOL- "Iran did 9/11!"

"Falklands did 9/11!"

"Charro did 9/11!"

"Oceania did 9/11!"

Aaaaah, that last one fits best.

PB

[Fantastic Anarchist]

42. "Charro" ...

[krucial]

14. Iran?

Nothing about Saudi Arabia? most of the culprits were Saudi Arabians.there was not one Iraqi or Iranian involved.

I think America is going off its rocker and turning into a devious,mischevious,fabricator of lies and deciet.
So called friends who kill us are let of the hook and embraced, and those we designate as enemies are always guilty of something,anything.

Dont be surprised if Cubas Castro,and Venezuelas Chavez,is also named as being guilty.
Well our government is saying Iran is guilty of provoking us to start a war,while we have been sending countless spies which they have busted for ther last few years,ones killing their scientist,sending viruses and destroying their nuclear programs,blowing up their facilites and sending drones illegally over their country and violating their air spacewhich is an act of war.
So if that is seen as provaction by Iran,then it is a lose lose for Iran even if the dont lift a muscle,they will get blamed by America for something,anything.
America has been getting pushed for years to attack Iran,and the war drums and propaganda are really revving up lately.
I wont be suprised if we have an incident,where we are told that Iran has attacked and killed Americans,somewhere,anywhere,to show the urgency that we now have an act of war,and have no choice but to 'DEFENSE OURSELVES" again.
Another round of Shock and Awe,to defend ourself from another" IMMINENT THREAT"
Mainly from the same players who brought us the Iraq war,and the TONS of WMDs,that we found and recovered in Iraq.
Or we might get and Iranian Intelligence defector, with incredibly,credible information,from real reliabel,irrefytable sources, of how we should invade Iran to save ourselfs from the "MUSHROOM CLOUD" Yeah.USA USA USA!!

[dotymed]

31. EISENHOWER warned us about the evil MIC.

He only did this AFTER his Presidency was over. I am sure that he feared for his life even then.

This evil entity, made up of greedy immoral people, run our government. They are responsible for destroying so many lives. They should all be strung up. Revolution is our only possibility. Peaceful I hope."They" will not be peaceful, but the only way that we can win is by non-violence.
I watched the Young Turks on teevee last night. Rocky Anderson, the Justice party presidential candidate spoke truth but with our corrupt electoral system and corrupt government he will need a lot more to even get known. I wish he would have primaried Obama, that might have changed the conversation to the issues that are important to the majority of Americans. We all know that an honest President gets assassinated. FDR should have prosecuted the elites that attempted a coup on America because the wealthy had to pay some of their profits to the people that created it. Now we have come full circle because FDR did not stop the cruel, greedy elitists. They have seized our country and are destroying our world.

Hopefully, the American Spring is right around the corner. The new NDAA will make it easier to "disappear" the patriots who demand change. They cannot "disappear" an ideal.

[JDPriestly]

61. I agree that our government is corrupt and that the military industrial

establishment is a dangerous part of the corruption.

But, let's don't forget that other countries can be corrupt too. In fact, the corruption in some other countries is probably worse than it is here.

[krucial]

15. Even more

Iran,Cuba,Venezuela,the Taliban,Al Quieda,Hezbollah,Hamas,Muslims,the Black Panthers,Farakhan,Mexican Drug Lords,Gays,Acorn,Liberals,Atheist,non believers, illegal aliens.
and poor people.
All of the above are linked,and responsible for 9 11 .Yeah.
Maybe we need to bomb all of them.Yeah,we have to defend ourselves

[Fantastic Anarchist]

43. At the rate we're going ...

I wouldn't be surprised if the judge added Attila the Hun to the list. And I wouldn't even surprised if everyone believed it assuming the media does its duty and packages it up for wholesale consumption by the masses.

"This just in. Attila the Hun found guilty for being ..."

[David__77]

16. Iran? Ridiculous.

Iran and al Queda are complete enemies. Al Queda sees Shia Islam as apostasy. Their geopolitical agendas are totally at odds.

[sabrina 1]

77. Yes, just as Iraq and Al Queda were enemies. But that didn't stop the lies then, and it won't now.

Cheney wants a war with Iran.

I hope the American people do not fall for this again.

But once the propaganda begins, and it looks like it has, anyone who tries to tell the truth will suffer the same fate as Ashley Banfield. Fox will be leading the charge, they've been beating the Iran war drums for years.

That judge should be removed from the bench for sheer stupidity.

[emilyg]

18. Getting ready for another war.

[Iggo]

19. IRAN???

We are truly fucked!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

44. And Iran ... so far away ...

Couldn't get away.

[boppers]

52. Dayum.

For the young-uns, this is a reference to an 80's (it came out 29 years ago) one-hit-wonder song:

...and yes, we actually did wear hair, and clothes, and makeup, like that, back then.

It was a very odd time to be alive.

[Galraedia]

20. The Bush Administration Knowingly Allowed 9-11 to Happen.

Screw Iran. The Bush Administration benefited the most from what happened and used the tragedy as propaganda to fuel their own personal agenda. America had her chance to go after those responsible and blew it. They can blame every middle-eastern country they want. America WILL NOT be starting another war over the same shit.

[dotymed]

32. I lived close to Wright Patterson AFB before and after 9-11.

During the week leading up to 9-11, the military cargo on I-70 (each convoy accompanied by police guards) was the heaviest I have ever seen. The satellites (drones too?) in the sky were unprecedented. I was married at the time and during the entire pre 9-11 week, our main conversation centered around the military activities we were witnessing.
On 9-11 (I was helping to build a bridge on I-70) I came home for lunch after I heard the news. We both felt strongly that the previous weeks activities were no longer a mystery.

[eyewall]

38. We also saw the preparations for war

For a week before 9-11 the sky was filled with contrails, just as it was for two weeks leading up to Desert Storm. There would be 8 or 9 planes flying overhead and about twenty fading contrails at any time of the day, and probably at night. A few days were obscured with clouds but the activity was the same before and after. It was so obvious to me that on Monday, 9-10, I told a friend that we were going to war, probably in the ME and probably within a few weeks. I showed him the sky full of contrails and said there's nothing going on now to justify a war so I bet within a few weeks there will be a major terrorist attack somewhere.

There was an official explanation for the troop movements. The US was conducting a massive multinational war games exercise in the Middle East.

[Charlemagne]

47. I live near Wright Patt too

I was a freshman at wsu during 9/11. Lived in medway my whole life. You are exactly right. the base activity was very different than it was at any point I can remember (other than during the Gulf War and the 95 peace accords).

[dotymed]

66. So many people are aware of this.

Yet even our supposed progressive icons consider us loons if we suggest 9-11 was an inside job. I used to watch Bill Maher at every opportunity. When I heard him strongly attacking "Truthers," I began tuning out. What better way to control the Progressives than to have their "spokesman" vehemenitly criticize their opinions?
When the term "Truther" emerged, I thought, "yes, it IS the truth, not a perjorative term as far as I am concerned."
"Our" government (corporate owned) has used the book "1984" as a blueprint for our current society.
Hopefully, WE (not them) will take our struggle for Freedom, to the streets beginning this Spring. OWS has opened the way. Now, WE, the millions of disenfranchised, must Occupy the streets peacefully (while being attacked) and not stop until WE get a government that is ours. Peace and love must prevail over the evil we currently endure. It will take ALL of us, in the streets if we want our freedom. Government is necessary to regulate our society. Anarchy is (IMO) chaos and we will never thrive under chaos. We must have a real "peoples government."

p.s. please give us a "spellcheck" option on DU3

[krucial]

34. Correct

You sir, are correct.they had been looking for a reason for a long time to attack Iraq,this gave them the opportunity to use it as reason,the segway from Afghanistan into Iraq,note how fastg they got everyhting moved there? it was premedidated for years.
In fact Israel gave them alist of Arab countires that they wanted us to make regime changes in years ago,becuse Israel deemed them as enemies,I was on a site called 'Path to freedom'Which had a lot of Anti Castro cubans and was born during the kid Elian Gonzale affair.and we took dibs on what country would be attacked first.the list that Israel gave the US was.Iran,Saudi Arabia,Libya,Syria,Sudan,and Yemen,but most of us thought the first country would be 'IRAN,because they were our number one enemy at the time,but as we can see later things changed,we encouraged Saudia Aarabia to be a friend instead of an enemy because of their oil,and to help them keep their anti-Israel rant under wraps,they were also able to get Libya to do the same, but Sadam was supporting the families of Palestinians who were killed by the conflict with Israel,that moved Iraq up to our number one enemy slot.
So the list was now down to five.But after many overt lies,and tries to get a war going on ?Iraq,it did not get any where until 9 11,which was their golden opportunity to get their war on.
Rmember we gave saddam all the material and helped him in the Iran/Iraq war even when we knew he gassed Kurds and Iranians.
Seems like many people also forgot we supported Osama,the taliban,and,al Quida,against Russia.
All i can say is whatever one sows,one will reap

[freshwest]

22. Does this mean Iraq is innocent now? Will they sue the USA?

[lunasun]

33. Appears this would help Iraq's case of wrongful invasion sadly Iran is the probably the focus

more war ???? and so this is Christmas .............

[krucial]

35. Yes.More

Americans seem to fail to understand that America is War Mongering Country,and we will do anything, and accuse anyone and everyone to get a war started.

Look at our history since the 1890's? No matter what party is in most of the time,if we are not in a miltary conflict,we wil make sure we create the condition where we wil be in a War or military conflict,and if we dont have an immediate enemy,we will create one from our least liked friend,we will turn that country into a threat to America,and the world,and will go with gusto after whoever it is.


Let the Bloody Truth Be Told:
A Chronology of U.S. Imperialism
From Wounded Knee to Iraq

http://www.jaysleftist.info/war/invade.htm

[JDPriestly]

24. But Bin Laden was hiding in Pakistan. Why wasn't Pakistan on the judge's list?

This seems very strange to me. Bin Laden was not that far from a military academy in Pakistan. Pakistan surely knew where he was. Why isn't Pakistan liable if the others are liable? Pakistan harbored him.

[dogknob]

26. Pakistan has nukes

you can't bully someone as tough as you are.

[krucial]

36. Fact

The US always pick and choose who we will go after,whether they are innocent or not.
Any Tyranical government we deem as a friend is never going to be targetted by us,only those leaders we deem as unfriendly,and are not in the best interest for our "Strategic"Interest"

[eyewall]

39. Pakistan's Gen Mahmoud Ahmed,

head of Pakistan's ISI (secret police) was identified as the source of funding for Mohammed Atta. On the morning of 9-11 he was having breakfast with Sen. Bob Graham and Rep. Porter Goss, the leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees. Sen. Graham said they were talking about terrorism, specifically from Afghanistan.

[newspeak]

74. thank you for that information

I've stated more than once that Pakistan's ISI played some part in it. After 9/11, didn't little boots forgive pakistan's debt?

[Boston_Chemist]

25. Iran!?

What is this, some sort of a religious incantation that will push war forward?

[orpupilofnature57]

29. Their used to serving up any cartoon ,and

get pissed when we're confused.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

28. Our judicial system is becoming a not so funny joke.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

45. Maybe this judge should be brought before Congress to explain himself ala Newty Newt's suggestion.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

54. I imagine our wholly owned Congress would...

...be quick to applaud this ridiculous kangaroo court decision -- they've been reliable cheerleaders for anything vilifying Iran.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

55. We've become a parody.

A massive joke. The anus of the world.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

57. Now let's don't start up with...

...the anus bashing here on Christmas Eve -- the anus may not smell so great, but it does no harm and serves a very useful purpose.

We are much more like a malignant and inoperable cancer on the world than we are the anus.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

58. I was truly unfair to the anus.

Thanks for setting me straight. Anuses are people, too.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

59. Not to worry, I think the anus understands and forgives.

If you're bored on Christmas Eve (not suggesting that you necessarily are) here's a well done travel journal/documentary by Rick Steves who visited Iran with a small film crew. Enjoy, and Merry Christmas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D61uriEGsIM#!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

62. Thank you, and yes, I am bored.

Dog-sitting for a friend who's out of town, so, much appreciated.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

67. Wow, that was an amazing documentary.

Thanks for providing the link.

I encourage others to watch it, too.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

69. You're quite welcome.

[Downtown Hound]

37. We have always been at war with Eastasia. n/t

[Fantastic Anarchist]

40. Okay, I thought Iran and Al Qaeda were mortal enemies.

:confused:

[Charlemagne]

46. So....

A bunch of guys from Saudi Arabia and Egypt carry out a terrorist attack in the US. Their bosses had set up a training base in Afghanistan. So then we invade afghanistan and Iraq. Iraq was in on it because some guy stayed at a hospital there once, or something (I dont remember the exact linkage bush gave). Then, it turns out, the head bad guy was hiding in Pakistan, which is supposed to be friends with us. Now a judge says that Iran is liable for it all

?!?!!??!!?

[newspeak]

75. oh no, remember iraq had WMD's and they had the capacity

to attack us at any minute now. And the fearful people shouted "charge", go get those dangerous people before they get us." And, after all was said and done and no WMDs were found, they then proclaimed that those evil iraqis were helping al quaeda, even though saddam wouldn't trust al quaeda, and those evil iraqis just spirited those wmds out of the country, maybe by camel.

[LeftishBrit]

48. Al Quaeda OK, but why Iran?

If one was going to name a country, I would have thought Saudi Arabia, which was the homeland most of the hijackers, and perhaps Pakistan, which sheltered Bin Laden. But Iran? Apart from all other considerations, the main Muslim sect in Iran is a bitter rival of that of Al Quaeda, which makes it unlikely they'd be collaborating.

[BlueMTexpat]

49. Saudi Arabia, Pakistan & Egypt are better bets.

I wonder where the "cited evidence" that Iran "actively assisted the hijackers" came from - the Cheney-Bolton-Feith factions, perhaps? Because their "intelligence" was cherry-picked, deliberately misinterpreted and just plain wrong. "Iranian defectors" are suspect (remember pre-Iraqi war sources like Ahmed Chalabi) and, even if their "testimony" may demonstrate that individual Iranians did "aid and abet" Al Qaeda, that is a far cry from showing "State" action. The Iranian Gov't is not suicidal, just as Saddam was not - although it didn't do him much good in the manufactured drumbeat to war. This is just more of the same. But people will continue to fall for it, because they do not understand the Muslim world at all and make no effort to try.

Iranians are, for the most part, Shia Muslims. Al Qaeda has been overwhelmingly Sunni, albeit wildly radical Sunnis who are far-fetched from mainstream practititioners.

Just because a judge was a Clinton appointee doesn't mean that he knows anything about foreign affairs - it may not even mean that he knows basic rudiments of the law. It does mean that he was probably a good campaign contributor to someone in the Dem party. This judge's signing of "findings of fact" in this situation shows that, whatever he once may have been, he's now a couple cupcakes short of a dozen. In fact, if anyone, our Executive Branch, including Prez, VP, National Security Advisor, and government agencies that didn't talk to each other, etc. were negligently liable for 9-11 and a much better case can be made for that than for Iran's "active" participation.

This is just another way to ratchet up hysteria against Iran.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Makes the Warren Commission look like a fact-finding mission.

[Taverner]

56. And George Soros, and ACORN, and PFAW, and SEIU, and Al Gore...all were responsible!!!

Brother Glenn Beckkk tells me so!

[DeathToTheOil]

64. Judge Dredd could've made a better decision

[Duer 157099]

65. Nary a peep about Afghanistan?

Huh? Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan mentioned, and yet those are the two countries we invaded.

[ieoeja]

78. Taliban = Afghanistan in September 2001. n/t

[sarcasmo]

68. Saudi Arabia still left out, if I remember right weren't most of the hijackers

from Saudi Arabia.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

72. He forgot to add Cheney

[ieoeja]

79. Shia Iran backs Sunni Al Qeada, Facists were Communists and Taylor Swift sings Country music. n/t