Palestinians returning home find Israeli troops left faeces and venomous graffiti
Source: The Guardian, UK
When Ahmed Owedat returned to his home 18 days after Israeli soldiers took it over in the middle of the night, he was greeted with an overpowering stench.
He picked through the wreckage of his possessions thrown from upstairs windows to find that the departing troops had left a number of messages. One came from piles of faeces on his tiled floors and in wastepaper baskets, and a plastic water bottle filled with urine.
If that was not clear enough, the words "Fuck Hamas" had been carved into a concrete wall in the staircase. "Burn Gaza down" and "Good Arab = dead Arab" were engraved on a coffee table. The star of David was drawn in blue in a bedroom.
"I have scrubbed the floors three times today and three times yesterday," said Owedat, 52, as he surveyed the damage, which included four televisions, a fridge, a clock and several computers tossed out of windows, shredded curtains and slashed soft furnishings.
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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/palestinians-return-home-israeli-troops-faeces-graffiti?CMP=twt_gu
Some of the graffiti Ahmed Owedat found on returning to his home in the town of Burij. Photograph: Harriet Sherwood
It goes on. At a wrecked school, the occupying forces left the graffiti "You will be fucked here" and "Don't forget it's time for you to die."
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)alsame
(7,784 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)And only Israelis shit and piss. I forgot about that.
alsame
(7,784 posts)pointing out that it could be true. But I see your mind is completely closed. Peace.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)I believe no propaganda from either side.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Troops in wartime have very rarely behaved as perfect gentlemen. It seems to me the default position would be to accept it as not only true but expectable.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)But I see your definition of "Propaganda" is that it is lies, and that is often NOT the case. Among US Politicians the term "Spin" is often used for what the rest of the world calls "Propaganda" i.e. interpreting facts in the best light for your side.
Just a comment, just because something is Propaganda, does NOT mean it is not true. These messages are common in most such situations. US Troops have reported similar actions when they take over something, and such messages have been left by US troops when they leave an occupied building.
Thus I suspect these statements to be True, I also accept they are propaganda, but I also understand that the best propaganda is always the truth and some times the only information you are getting are the propaganda messages of both sides in a conflict. Thus you must dismiss both sides if you do not give any credit to propaganda and make a decision based on no information. even when you look at both sides, some of the truth is leaking out (often all of the truth, The firsts reports issued on the D-Day Invasion of June 6, 1944 was from the German Propaganda Ministry. The Allied Armed Forces were being quite, thus the first reports of the invasion were all from Germany AND these were repeated in the US for it was NEWS and was the TRUTH as while as being German Propaganda.
Just a comment on what propaganda is, and more often then not it is the truth. You may NOT like the spin on that truth, but such spin is the nature of effective propaganda, and the most effective propaganda is the truth.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)155 mm Howitzers shells consists of three parts, the bad changes, the round itself and the fuse. The Charges and the Round itself are stored together for use. The Fuse is stored in another location. The fuse cost anywhere from $100 to a Couple of hundred dollars, the Shell and Charges, maybe $20. The fuse sets off the round. Without a fuse the round will NOT explode, and thus why that round was found intact and later hauled away for they is nothing to go "bang" in them except under certain situations. Moder explosives are very stable unless ignited by a Charge from the Fuse.
The photos shows a 155 mm Round without a fuse, which should be screwed on the front of the round. No Fuse no bang. On the other hand, in the right hands, the round could be made deadly, it does NOT take much. Someone was in a hurry handled the round to the loader who loaded the round, the gunner close the breach behind the round and fired the round. If it was a one round mission, which I doubt, they waited for a blast and none came.
On the other hand, the Howitzer was set, the fire mission called for, someone forgot to screw in the fuse, but the round was picked up, probably as the person in charge of setting the fuse was doing so on another round, given to the loader, who loaded the round then the charges, yelled "I see Red" and gunner closed the breech and fired the round. Then the gunner opened the breech, and a round with a fuse was loaded and fired. No one even noticed that the first round did not go off.
The phase "I See Red" is what 155 gunners say after the last charge in loaded, the base charge is always RED for it is the charge the igniting system is design to burn first. Thus the 155 mm has to have that red charge showing when the breech is closed, thus the saying "I See Red" meaning the Round is loaded AND the charge is loaded correctly.
What I have forgotten about 155 howitzers is immense, I was in a 105 mm Artillery unit, but I was trained on 155 mm howitzers in basic but only as a side line. The 155 does NOT use a brass cartridge, as the 105 mm round did. The 155 mm also used "charges" not the "Bags" used by 105 mm (Through both were called "Charges" . Thus my knowledge of 155 mm howitzers are limited, but that is clearly a 155 mm round AND it does NOT have a fuse, that is clear, for the same fuse was usable on the 155 mm round, the 105 mm round and the 4.2 inch Mortar rounds, going through the Howitzers and Mortars I fired when I was in the National Guard.
4now
(1,596 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)This is just completely disgusting.
How we could support this is beyond me.
Its a good time to remember to:
Boycott, Divest, and Sanction Israel.
http://www.bdsmovement.net/
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)around the world. Or just the jews?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that the message is in English and not in Arabic or Hebrew. And by interesting I mean suspicious.
It is odd the message is in English and not Arabic or Hebrew.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)You expect us to believe an outfit that uses unmitigated hate speech in justifying the murder of children playing ball on a beach and the bombing of UN flight centers cares too much for public image to produce such mean graffiti? Tell me, did the family in the story also destroy their own house and throw their own computers out the windows?
This behavior fits the conduct of the Israeli offensive in Gaza and the extreme anti-Arab and anti-Muslim public discourse that has justified it, some of which we have seen on DU.
Not every Israeli speaks Arabic and not every Palestinian reads Hebrew, but English is a language that will send the message to the recipients. Here is a famous pictures of Israeli children encouraged to write hate messages in English, in much the same spirit as the IDF showed in Gaza, back during the assault on Lebanon.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't give a shit what you believe. So your claim is it's more likely for both the Israeli soldiers who you claim did this and the Palestinians who saw it both speak better english than both Arabic or Hebrew? I suppose that would make sense to you.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I said nothing about which language is likely to be used. You're dodging.
I do say that English as a commonly shared language is possible, and not suspicious in itself.
More importantly, I showed (as if this was necessary) that in the past, Israelis have written (in fact, children have been encouraged to write by the elders) hate messages against Arabs IN ENGLISH while others photographed the event.
(Denial is apparently also a river in NYC among people who designate themselves as lefties.)
George II
(67,782 posts)"Denial is apparently also a river in NYC among people who designate themselves as lefties"
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Copy this, delete the space I inserted, that should show you the picture.
http://sabbah.biz/ mt/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/192642682_2fea4cce66_o.jpg
George II
(67,782 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)A significant number of Jewish Israelis speak English. (English is taught in Israeli schools; per Wikipedia, 84% of the Israeli population speak English.)
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)would they put a note supposedly written to the Gazans in English? They also speak Arabic.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)They do speak English. (And a Palestinan Arab who doesn't speak Hebrew may speak and read English. Which is an international lingua franca.)
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)(granted, a few dozen but still) speak Arabic and certainly the military. They watch Al Jazeera to see how things are being reported.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)More to the point, data on languages spoken in Israel gives 18% of the population as Arabic-speakers. So clearly your circle of personal acquaintance is not representative. (The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".)
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to you that a person who speaks Hebrew writes a note in English to someone who speaks Arabic - makes perfect sense.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Just as it makes perfect sense to me that someone who speaks Dutch and someone who speaks Italian might converse in English if neither speaks the other's mother tongue. (English is also a spoken by many Palestinians, and the region was a British mandate under the League of Nations and UN, have you forgotten that?)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)after all wasn't at least one of the slain soldiers an American who made aliyah? Do you think he is the only one?
Note for those that do not know Mark Regev is an Australian who made aliyah, his name was Mark Freiberg
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)they will rationalize so the what they want to believe against Israel is true in their mind
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)anything hamas says is lapped up as gospel truth by so many here. Because they're such a reliable source.
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Are they capable of writing "Good Arab = Dead Arab" in English?
Here's a story about people shattered by a month of bombs and shooting, returning to their ruined house, only to find soldiers took shits all over it and threw their computers and other stuff out the windows, as well as wrote hateful graffiti. And apparently your immediate instinct is to blame the victims. Because it's unthinkable that cohorts of the bombers and shooters of the children playing soccer on a beach could have written such vile things on a table?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I've never blamed the victimes - the Palestinian people - I've only ever blamed hamas. That you can't distinguish between the two is entirely your problem.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)implying that they had written this graffiti.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)bombed, or that they would use each other as shields.
But it's not working any more.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)Keep denying it tho and trying SO very hard to aggressively attack the fact. But far too many know the reality of Hamas and their actions.
SnakeEyes
(1,407 posts)to know these conflicts are nothing knew, only the figureheads change and so do side facts. We know who Hamas and those before them are. If Israel had the ground presence they used to use we'd see them putting children out in front of their weapons throwing rocks... again
Hamas hopes a school, hospital, or innocent is hit when they or Israel fires a rocket. Israel does not unless that hospital or school is being used by Hamas.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)before it was anything, and supported Hamas as a COUNTERWEIGHT to Fatah.
And Hamas' longest supporter was (wait for it) . . .
Israel.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I immediately said it was interesting and suspicious the message is in English. Then I blamed hamas. Why do you continue to lie? Or perhaps just show everyone here where I blamed the Palestinian people and not hamas. Go ahead and prove your charge.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)So it probably ISN'T poorly executed propaganda but rather more Israeli "self-defense" on display. Super.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...after Clinton - all the vandalism that turned out to be a gross exaggeration and mostly false.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)When are the next Gaza elections?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)You have to be a scumbag to join in the first place. If you kill children, shitting and vandalism are nothing.
It also doesn't surprise me that people on here are already denying what doesn't support their delicate narrative.
0rganism
(23,915 posts)> You have to be a scumbag to join in the first place
That's an odd verdict, considering IDF service is mandatory for Israelis over 18. Would you like to clarify that statement?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Why is that? Being a "secular" nation and all?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Since, of course, this can't be defended. (It's easier to murder people and then call that self-defense than it is to say this is anything other than hatred being expressed.)
Now we know: Lies! All lies! Those people returned to their destroyed homes, shit and rubble everywhere, saw their stuff intentionally wrecked by the occupying force, and started scratching hate messages into the one still intact table.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Apparently the only media to believe is the American corporate media which is 100 percent pro Israel 100 percent of the time.
Remember, this is the same media that helped lie us into Iraq.
Amazing, isn't it? It's all one big pro Palestinian conspiracy now apparently. Haha.
MrNJ
(200 posts)by Hamas
MFM008
(19,803 posts)not even possible?
MrNJ
(200 posts)But anything is possible, however I will need some proof before I get outraged.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Run to that story, I tell you!
renegade000
(2,301 posts)I mean, there are pretty extreme bigots on both sides of this conflict, all it takes are a small handful of them to make their mark. If there are violent bigots on both sides willing to murder innocent teenagers for kicks (which helped spark this entire conflagration off in the first place), instances of unsavory graffiti are pretty mundane in comparison.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Because you were "trying to get someone on a motorcycle" but it happened.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)were photographing themselves urinating on bodies of dead enemies, crapping on korans, forcing naked captives to act like dogs, and so on. Are you suggesting that Israeli troopers are so superior morally to American troopers, that the possibility of them even committing petty vandalism is 'unbelievable and contradicts common sense and logic'?
JI7
(89,237 posts)there is a scene which shows some anti arab stuff written on some wall.
even if this specific thing may be fake it's not an unusual thing to happen there.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Pots of Urine, Feces in the Refrigerator - How IDF Troops Vandalized Gaza Homes
http://www.haaretz.com/pots-of-urine-feces-on-the-walls-how-idf-troops-vandalized-gaza-homes-1.271522
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Don't you think Israel has a right to defend itself, by slaughtering innocents, shitting on floors, and spraypainting furniture and walls, if that's what it takes?
Only an anti-semite would think an Israeli shouldn't shit on someone's floor.
Calista241
(5,585 posts)Since time immemorial, soldier and warriors have taken dumps and pissed in cramped spaces during battle.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)it is also true, is it not, that armies invading and occupying subjugated peoples have subjected such peoples to extremes of violence, cruelty, humiliation and denial of humanity. No? That's sure what this case sounds like - the gratuitous destruction of the family's computers and scrawling of threatening hate graffiti say as much.
And if they'd wanted to avoid being shot at while shitting, all they had to do was to stay home and not start the war in the first place. If war is even the word for a collective punishment initiated and carried out by an overwhelming force against a largely helpless, occupied population.
Rapillion
(51 posts)Oh wait . . . Israel helped to create Hamas . . . "Fatah did it" . . .
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)in twitter replies to the photos of dead and wounded children. The most disgusting you can imagine, about dead children! Most originating from Israel. It makes you understand how such a slaughter could happen.