For second time, rockets found at UN school in Gaza

[7962]

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Source: Times of Israel

For the second time in less than a week, rockets have been found in a school in Gaza operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the body said

“Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip,” the organization said in a statement issued Tuesday. “As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises, and so we are unable to confirm the precise number of rockets. The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.”



Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-second-time-rockets-found-at-un-school-in-gaza/

[Niceguy1]

1. bet this thread

Doesnt get very many responses

[happyslug]

7. The School was ABANDONED

Read the Article, it was NOT being used as a School but as a warehouse.

UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip

[riderinthestorm]

15. Vacant doesn't necessarily mean abandoned.

Clearly the UN is actively monitoring the buildings which means they are by no means abandoned imo.

In the U.S. schools are vacant for several months during the summer season. That doesn't mean they are abandoned.

[happyslug]

29. My old High School has been vacate for 20 years, the School District does inspect ever so often

That is most owners of property, they do inspect such property. Inspection does not mean it is in use.

[riderinthestorm]

33. We don't know the exact status of this school other than it is "vacant"

For summer break, for years - how long we don't know.

Regardless, its inconceivable that your township would allow your old high school to become a "warehouse" for anything, much less weapons and rockets.

The building is not abandoned. The UN is obviously being diligent about the building. Hamas is clearly in violation of the UN's guidelines about using their buildings for storing weapons.

Please note I'm not in support of Israel just because I'm saying this. Just pointing it out.

FWIW, I think both sides suck. I think both sides wanted a war, much like Bush wanted to get his war on with Iraq. Its grotesque beyond imagining and I hope Kerry can work a miracle and get a cease fire in place.

[happyslug]

41. Who said this was HAMAS????

All that was reported was missiles were found. Hamas rules Gaza (having won the last election, then defeated an attempted coup) but that does NOT mean they have complete control over Gaza. Hamas is a Sunni group affiliated with the Moslem Brotherhood, most of the weapons being smuggled into Gaza are from Iran, a Shiite dominated country.

My point is Iran may have shipped this load to a Shiite group in Gaza, or any other group in Gaza. Iran has no loyalty to Hamas. In fact MOST rockets fired into Israel (Other then the recent flare up) were from such non-Hamas groups, some are Shiite, others think Hamas is to moderate.

Your premise is based on Hamas KNOWING these weapons were in that school, and we have no EVIDENCE of that fact. Finding weapons is NOT evidence that those weapons are weapons of HAMAS.

[riderinthestorm]

42. Ok. Nit picked. nt

[former9thward]

45. Sure, they were a secret Israeli storage area.

lol

[former9thward]

46. If a Israel missile had hit the vacant school

Hamas would have jumped up and down saying the Israelis had targeted a school.

[leftynyc]

5. So you're openly admitting

that hamas uses human shields - even children's schools? Well, that's progress.

[happyslug]

9. The School was vacant and apparantely has been vacate..

A vacant school is noting but a warehouse.

[leftynyc]

11. Do you know how long

the missiles have been stored there? Where is that information?

[joshcryer]

30. You know better than that.

Cliven Bundy wouldn't be allowed to store stockpiles of weapons in a vacated Nevada school... geez.

[leftynyc]

12. Really?

"Everyone knows" that hamas is just a bunch of little kittens who would never use their population for anything sinister? Everyone knows? That must be why American support for the Palestinians hovers in the teens - because everyone knows how evil Israel is.

[leftynyc]

14. Which would also be why the EU

released such an evenhanded statement about the conflict. Because THE WHOLE WORLD LOVES HAMAS. Do you think about anything you post before you commit to it? You really should.

[SansACause]

3. Collaterl damage I guess

Neither side seems to care much for the lives of children.

[FrodosPet]

20. Are you familiar with "Farfour The Mouse"?

Hamas hates Israel more than it loves its children.

"Jihad bestows pride and glory upon you when you become a martyrdom-seeker"

Through their own words, Hamas has shown that it wants global Islamic domination, centered on Palestine.

[Rhinodawg]

22. Those are THE most DISGUSTING videos EVER.

I wish I never looked.

[FrodosPet]

23. But those are the good guys...the heroes... in the eyes of some

Either they don't believe the Palestinians could physically and mentally destroy their own children like that, or they believe that the end justifies the means.

[MFM008]

55. why?

Why do they have such a hold there? Do palestinians like to be bombed and blown apart? There must be a reason. What might that be?

[7962]

28. Notice how they mention "ruling the world" as they did before.

And how the world will speak Arabic under the rule of Islam.
I had forgotten about these videos, but they arent the only ones. People do not understand that its not just a knee-jerk when you mention "human shields". A Hamas leader is quoted in another video talking about how proud the elderly and children are to BE one. There is also a recent clip showing people running TOWARD a building that about to be attacked by the Israelis.

[Turbineguy]

31. Children in Palestine

have been growing up on this for several generations now. To insure there will never be peace. At least, not because of the Palestinians. For further research, Google Robert Fisk.

[riderinthestorm]

35. I managed to last a little over two minutes with ONE of these. Grotesque and disturbing

Really horrifying.

There will never be peace with this kind of brainwashing of young Palestinian children, feeding on a steady diet of hate. Even if its reaching just a small audience, this kind of toxic poison is insidious.

If there's a similar Israeli effort to similarly brainwash their young children, I'd be open to seeing that... probably couldn't watch an entire episode of one of those either but I would at least take a stab at it in fairness.

[seveneyes]

6. Teach your children well

I don't think that includes unguided rockets aimed at civilian population centers.

[FrodosPet]

26. Farfour taught the children well

He taught them how to become cannon fodder in the service of evil.

He taught them to fight for global Islamic domination.

He taught them how to die young.

[intaglio]

16. The source is actually the IDF

The reporting is by that paragon of journalistic probity, The Times of Israel

Permit me to be very skeptical

[groundloop]

17. Good catch

I hadn't noticed that (and I'm probably not alone).

[riderinthestorm]

19. Uhm, actually no. Its from a UN press release...

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

While the OP is linked to the Times of Israel, the primary source of the story is the UN itself.

[7962]

24. Thank you for that.

[intaglio]

27. Ah, an unoccupied school

That is why I was confused - because the reporting implies it was a school in use for refugees - it was not

[Marrah_G]

18. They should totally bomb the other schools just in case.

[Rhinodawg]

21. Never ends....

schools
ambulances
hospitals
soccer fields

war crimes.

[NaturalHigh]

25. But wait...I was told this wasn't happening.

[Rhinodawg]

32. Hamas Giving Civilians 'How To Lie About Civilian Casualties" Lessons

The video and guidelines were published in Arabic, but MEMRI has translated parts of the text into English:

*Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don't forget to always add 'innocent civilian' or 'innocent citizen' in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.

*Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase 'In response to the cruel Israeli attack,' and conclude with the phrase 'This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza.' Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of 'the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction.'

--

*Avoid publishing pictures of rockets fired into Israel from [Gaza] city centers. This [would] provide a pretext for attacking residential areas in the Gaza Strip. Do not publish or share photos or video clips showing rocket launching sites or the movement of resistance [forces] in Gaza.

*To the administrators of news pages on Facebook: Do not publish close-ups of masked men with heavy weapons, so that your page will not be shut down [by Facebook] on the claim that you are inciting violence. In your coverage, be sure that you say: 'The locally manufactured shells fired by the resistance are a natural response to the Israeli occupation that deliberately fires rockets against civilians in the West Bank and Gaza'..."

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2014/07/hamas-giving-civilians-how-to-lie-about.html

truth out

[7962]

34. You shouldnt publish facts like that; you know it pisses some people off! nt

[The Stranger]

37. MEMRI? Is that Pamela Geller's project?

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Surely you aren't bringing that racist trash in here.

[Rhinodawg]

38. I have no idea who is who's "project"

and don't call me Shirley.

[7962]

39. Is the translation correct? Because thats what matters. Not who translates it.

If the translation is NOT correct, then by all means expose them. There's no need to falsify this stuff, there's plenty out there to be seen and heard.

[Rhinodawg]

40. Maybe you can help me...is this accurate?

#t=0

[The Stranger]

43. The Israel apologists have gone so far down an absurd road, they don't realize it.

So now you're arguing that Palestinians are telling Palestinians to stay in their homes, and that is supposed to justify bombing their (the Palestinians') homes?

The debate is lost. Wake up.

[Rhinodawg]

44. Then my apologies.

.

[7962]

49. Yes, the debate IS lost, and the palestinians have lost it.

You think its perfectly OK for leaders to tell their people to remain in an area that has been targeted? To ignore warnings that an attack is soon to happen? And its OK for Hamas to actually PREVENT people from leaving, because thats happening too?
Even the Arab countries who usually are quick to defend the palestinians have tired of their nonsense. Israel will not be swayed by a bunch of easily mis-led foreigners.
Ever since they reached the peace accord with Egypt, there has rarely been any problems between the two. And thats been decades. The palestinians could have peace if they wanted it. They want the destruction of Israel instead. Apparently from your comments, you're fine with that.

[azurnoir]

58. MEMRI was founded by 'ex' shin bet and mossad agents

and routinely translates in the most negative manor possible, also it leaves out little words such as in at least one of the above video's we're told that a little girl says says "we will kill" when a number of other translators including CNN's say she really said "we will be killed" a minor adjustment I guess

[The Stranger]

36. Then don't go to the schools. In fact, leave those people the fuck alone, Netanyahu!

Tyrant nutcase right-winger.

[840high]

47. You want Israel to put

up with daily missiles?

[The Stranger]

50. So now they're "missles"?

Go away.

You'll never get anywhere with me.

[7962]

56. You're upset over the use of missile vs rocket? Wow.

Only difference is a lack of guidance system. Either can carry the same payload and cause the same destruction.

[former9thward]

48. Storing rockets in schools is ok with you.

We know where you are coming from.

[The Stranger]

51. Rockets in a school -- even assuming it were true -- doesn't justify blowing up the school.

The very premise that you are arguing for is fallacious.

It may justify taking the rockets out of the school -- but not blowing it up.

[former9thward]

54. Hamas wanted it blown up.

Preferably with children it. Great propaganda picture.

[The Stranger]

57. Oh bullshit.

That is lies like the Iraqis taking babies from incubators and throwing them out of windows is lies.

[RedstDem]

52. wow storing bombs in an abandoned shool building

its almost like they're not allowed to have their own military bases......

[bravenak]

53. I guess they should be allowed to have military bases to operate from.

I would never kill a bunch of people to get to a rocket. I'm not insane.

[azurnoir]

59. The builds in this were abandoned but it does serve to clen up this sort of stuff at least for some

A United Nations school sheltering displaced Palestinians in central Gaza came under Israeli fire on Tuesday as a team was inspecting damage from a day earlier, a UN official said.

The official said a team, with Israeli clearance, was at the school run by the UN agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA in Al-Maghazi when Israeli tank shelling resumed, hitting the building on Tuesday afternoon.

"Yesterday we got reports that it was shelled and so today we sent our guys down to investigate and see which side the fire came from," the official said, speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity.

"They went down there with Israeli clearance, and while they were there, they came under Israeli shelling," he added.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=715479

[azurnoir]

60. locking thread over 12 hour limit when posted

Times of Israel gives its publish times in IDT (Israel Daylight Time) which is CDT +8