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Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:38 AM

Obama Asks Congress to Back $1 Billion Effort to Boost US Military Presence In Europe

Source: Associated Press via Huffington Post



WARSAW, Poland (AP) — President Barack Obama announced Tuesday that the United States plans to boost its military presence in Europe as tensions simmer in the region over Russia's actions in Ukraine.

Standing next to Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski, Obama said the U.S. would rotate more American troops into the region and called on Congress to provide up to $1 billion to support the effort.

"Under this effort, and with the support of Congress, the United States will preposition more equipment in Europe," Obama said at Warsaw's Belweder Palace.

If approved, the funding will be used to increase military exercises and training missions on the continent, as well as rotations of air and ground forces, the White House said. Officials said Obama was also seeking to ramp up U.S. Navy participation in NATO deployments in the Black and Baltic Seas, plus working to boost the military capacity of non-NATO countries that sit on Russia's border, including Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/03/obama-in-europe_n_5436146.html



Attention Congress! Just Say No! Give the American taxpayers a break.
A billion dollars would be far better spent creating jobs for Americans to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure - highways, bridges, etc.

I thought Obama just gave a speech backing off from the US policing the world.

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Reply Obama Asks Congress to Back $1 Billion Effort to Boost US Military Presence In Europe (Original post)
Divernan Jun 2014 OP
ctsnowman Jun 2014 #1
bowens43 Jun 2014 #2
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #5
tridim Jun 2014 #10
Divernan Jun 2014 #11
tridim Jun 2014 #12
Divernan Jun 2014 #13
tridim Jun 2014 #15
1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #32
indepat Jun 2014 #39
whatthehey Jun 2014 #43
unhappycamper Jun 2014 #3
zeemike Jun 2014 #29
GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #4
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #6
Divernan Jun 2014 #7
DeSwiss Jun 2014 #35
Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #8
Hotler Jun 2014 #9
Proud Public Servant Jun 2014 #14
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #16
riqster Jun 2014 #21
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #23
raouldukelives Jun 2014 #26
zeemike Jun 2014 #30
Scuba Jun 2014 #17
Thespian2 Jun 2014 #18
seveneyes Jun 2014 #19
KoKo Jun 2014 #20
raindaddy Jun 2014 #22
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #24
tclambert Jun 2014 #25
FairWinds Jun 2014 #27
L0oniX Jun 2014 #28
woo me with science Jun 2014 #38
1000words Jun 2014 #40
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #46
Demeter Jun 2014 #31
dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #33
DeSwiss Jun 2014 #34
bigwillq Jun 2014 #36
Xithras Jun 2014 #37
Billy Budd Jun 2014 #41
americannightmare Jun 2014 #42
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #45
merrily Jun 2014 #47
MisterP Jun 2014 #44
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #48
MisterP Jun 2014 #49
Divernan Jun 2014 #55
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #57
woo me with science Jun 2014 #50
woo me with science Jun 2014 #51
woo me with science Jun 2014 #52
former9thward Jun 2014 #53
liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #54
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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:53 AM

1. Thanks for the post.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 07:56 AM

2. Remind me again, why should we vote for Democrats instead ot republicans???

Hopefully congress will tell Obama to shove it....

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:19 AM

5. Because if you are allowed to vote, you must be free. nm

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:51 AM

10. Because Republicans are disgusting, racist, assholes?

There are literally thousands of other reasons that you should already know about.

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Response to tridim (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:01 AM

11. But what do you think of spending one billion on EU military defense?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:04 AM

12. I think it sucks, but I'm not going to vote for republicans in protest. nt

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Response to tridim (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:06 AM

13. Nobody suggested that on this thread.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:24 AM

15. "Remind me again, why should we vote for Democrats instead ot republicans???"

The post I responded to. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

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Response to tridim (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:59 AM

32. Or, the post could be suggesting ...

just NOT voting for a/the Democrat ... an equally bad and naively myopic choice.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:06 PM

39. As someone who remembers the battle of Kursk, a billion $ seems laughable

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:57 PM

43. Because a 0.15% defense budget tweak

is a tad less important than the SCOTUS, employment gains rather than losses, market gains rather than losses, improving rather than retarding equal rights, and improving rather than retarding civil rights.

Or had you really not forgotten those things?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:00 AM

3. (Not) Kool.

Where's Obama going to find one billion dollars lying around?



Hint: It ain't blue.

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Response to unhappycamper (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:42 AM

29. The Military Industrial Complex beast is hungry

And a growing beast needs more the bigger he gets...so he needs a bigger share or the pie.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:18 AM

4. Freedumb™

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:19 AM

6. Was there any indication of where the money was coming from? nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:21 AM

7. Just "Congress"

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Response to Divernan (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:32 AM

35. Congress, located at:

The U.S. Federal Reserve Bank Washington, DC*





* A subsidiary of JP Morgan-Chase, et. al.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:25 AM

8. Great, because what the Pentagon needs

is more money!

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:33 AM

9. War tax, war tax, war tax, war tax, war tax, ......

Start making all Americans pay a war tax and this shit will stop. Oh! Bring back the draft.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:09 AM

14. Of course, we should all remember

That our Afghan follies are costing us $2 billion a WEEK. So in the wake of the drawdown I say we compromise: $1 billion to the millitary, $99 billion to domestic education and infrastructure.

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Response to Proud Public Servant (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:28 AM

16. You've not got the hang of congressional math

That our Afghan follies are costing us $2 billion a WEEK. So in the wake of the drawdown I say we compromise: $1 billion to the millitary, $99 billion to domestic education and infrastructure.


What the Repukes will propose is to offset the $1B for more war with cuts to domestic needs. The Dems will agree, and Big Media will cheer the "bipartisan success".

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:55 AM

21. I doubt the Dems will go along with this one.

It's an election year, after all.

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Response to riqster (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:00 AM

23. They should take the same (opposite) strategy that the Repukes always do

Pelosi: We will agree to this emergency request and vote for the military stipend only if the Republicans and the president agree to 100 billion in infrastructure spending. Otherwise the Ukraine will have to hold a bake sale.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:08 AM

26. That's crazy talk!

I like it.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:51 AM

30. You describe the game perfectly.

It is classic flim flam man stuff...bait and switch, triangulation, misdirection...they use them all.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:34 AM

17. If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...

... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:42 AM

18. Too Many of O's Policies Suck

This may be the bigger sucker of them all. 57% of the budget goes to the military who cannot even account for the money it is given. How stupid can the administration get?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:43 AM

19. Leave Russia alone for now

And spend our money here where it's needed most. If the bear wanders into NATO territory, then consider playing Rambo.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:45 AM

20. And we have no interest in Ukraine...and never did....

said the naysayers. Nuland was just there handing out cookies after McCain posed for photo-op with the far right fringe Nazi Party in Ukraine before the Coup/Junta/Take Over of their Parliament.

Now Obama will be there in Ukraine just as a friendly visit. Maybe some cash offers with more cookies to pass around. Its very hard not to be cynical.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:58 AM

22. Obama tells Congress, it's time for the United States to stand for the hope and change he promised!

Obama proposes cuts to the military budget by a third. Decides to wage peace by feeding the world and eliminating poverty... Tells the Pentagon, "you'll still be spending five times what the Russians are spending so figure it out bitches!



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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:03 AM

24. Pentagon budget (base) - $472 billion

so this is 1/5th of one percent of their above-board rake for this year. And they really can't finance this folly with what they already have?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:07 AM

25. Because they're just waiting to attack us.

Pretending to be our allies for so many decades. That's how they set you up.

Plus, we gotta protect West Germany from a Soviet invasion.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:17 AM

27. Actually, military spending . .

Is over $ 1.2 TRILLION per year. Lower figures are the result of
dishonest accounting. Veterans health care, for example, is counted
as safety net spending, not military.
Seriously folks, as Eisenhower warned, the militarists are
bankrupting the country.

And you will note that there are close to zero non-militarists
commenting in the media - if there were there would be a
discussion of a de-militarized zone in Central Europe, an idea that
has been kicked around for years, but it anathema to want
to solve all problems with military force or the threat of it.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:28 AM

28. "I thought Obama just gave a speech backing off from the US policing the world."

Classic Obama.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:23 PM

38. War is Peace.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

2+2=5.

It's a carnival of Doublespeak.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:21 PM

40. Cut the Crap™

Another "progressive" credential to add to "The List."

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Response to 1000words (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:25 PM

46. it will go on the list as "saved Ukraine from the evil empire"

A skilled progressive president would get something for this. Like money for roads. Let's see if Pelosi gets something

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:54 AM

31. Not just NO, but HELL, NO!

Enough of this belligerence and imperialism.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:05 AM

33. Is this already a done deal ?

The White House unveiled plans for a $1bn initiative to send more of its military to Europe on a temporary basis but stopped short of promising to increase its permanent presence, as some of Washington's allies are seeking. It said the US would review its presence on the continent.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/03/obama-ukraine-military-assurances-eastern-europe

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:25 AM

34. We want to fight them over there.....

...so we won't have to fight them over here.

- Because if they get over here, they're afraid we'll join them.

K&R



''Would someone please check my birth certificate.
Maybe there's a loophole in there or something....''

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:03 PM

36. Congress better reject this.

I feel there are better ways to spend that money in the USA.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:20 PM

37. The population of the U.S. is 313 million. The population of Europe (minus Russia) is 600 million.

Can someone please explain to me why the 40-odd nations of Europe need the United States to defend them from a single nation (Russia) with a population of 144 million people? Is Europe really that incapable of defending itself from a nation with a population four times SMALLER than the rest of the European nations? Europe has double our population and a GDP to match the U.S., so why is it that AMERICAN children have to suffer in inferior schools while their parents drive to work on crumbling roadways to afford their substandard healthcare and avoid starvation, so that the Pentagon can have a big enough budget to defend Europe from aggression?

We are not the worlds policemen.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:04 PM

41. The US is not just a Country

 

Its a Military Industrial Empire...it is just as evil as any other Empire....,

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:51 PM

42. Why does this brilliant man...

insist on being so schizophrenic when it comes to policy??? Now is the time to go "Bulworth" on us, Barack!

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Response to americannightmare (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:19 PM

45. he's brilliant, has great presence, a great voice, great looking

But seems to be completely lacking in a mission, or a soul, if you will. He's for stricter carbon standards, and for fracking. He's for major reduction in our overseas involvement, and now wants more money for the Ukraine.

He seems to want to straddle every issue. This is no way to rescue the country from the republicans

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #45)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 06:42 PM

47. Third Way

and every which way.

That is one of the reasons why I don't start applauding every time he makes a speech that sounds good. I prefer to wait to see what actually transpires.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:17 PM

44. "I thought Obama just gave a speech backing off from the US policing the world"

same gameplan as Social Security: give well-applauded speech on how the GOP will destroy it, then *quietly* do *almost* everything you were accusing them of doing to SS

not EVERYONE has to be fooled into ignoring actions over words for just enough length of time, or get snookered by the libidnous afterglow brought on by simple rhetoric: these speeches are just written to buy time to fatten the Fat Cats

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Response to MisterP (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:59 PM

48. a post on which got about 200 recs from BOG ers screaming "I told you so"

and declaring him the most liberal president in history. I hope this post doesn't make me a racist

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #48)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:36 PM

49. it's oddly like the pattern of parties in the 3rd World: you got a bankrupt, exahusted technocratic

party, and on the other side a reactionary religious party

these are just the blackened putrefactive juices of progress's liquefying carcass a la the PRI

except in Pakistan, where they're the SAME party somehow

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:56 PM

55. But not even a whisper from a single one on this thread.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:15 PM

57. Here is a very cogent reply to that first thread, from one of our most astute DUers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5018239

As someone in this thread noted, it's the "Third Way". Talk like a Dem, act like a MIC puppet. I'm sure "the list" will soon contain, "Proposed most anti-war foreign policy doctrine in decades"

Well, it is what it is - very few indies, newbies, and "hope"ful voters are going to show up to vote with us in November. And the BOGers won't be able to say they weren't warned.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:44 AM

50. K&R Well, the speech served its purpose.

Many more people heard it than will see this.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:26 AM

51. kick

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Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:11 PM

52. kick

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:28 PM

53. When they restore food stamp cuts and unemployment benefits then it could be considered.

Even if Congress did that I would hope they vote NO on this request. Stop military adventurism all over the world and stop aiding militarily a region that is economically in as good as shape as we are and can afford their own protection (against who???). China, this century's next great superpower will invade economically not militarily.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:46 PM

54. Give that money to our schools damn it.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:14 PM

56. Oh great, more money for the MIC, so that the bloodshed and suffering can continue.

 

I am so tired of our country acting like it's the world police, especially since we have so many problems to take care of at home. Enough is enough. It's time to bring our troops back home, and let Europe deal with its own problems.

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Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:46 PM

58. kick

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