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Sat Mar 24, 2012, 05:20 AM

Utah demands US government return public lands to state

Source: Reuters

Utah demands US government return public lands to state
24 Mar 2012 04:10
Source: reuters // Reuters

By Debbie Hummel

SALT LAKE CITY, March 23 (Reuters) - The state of Utah, long resentful that almost two thirds of its territory belongs to the U.S. government, says the time has come to reclaim land it gave up more than a century ago in order to become a U.S. state.

Governor Gary Herbert, a Republican, signed into law on Friday a bill demanding that the federal government relinquish ownership of roughly 30 million acres (12 million hectares) of public land in Utah by 2015 or face a state lawsuit challenging its continued control of that property.

Shrugging off warnings from state attorneys that the legislation, backed primarily by Republicans, is likely unconstitutional and could lead to a protracted but futile legal battle, Herbert called such a dispute "a fight worth having."

The measure, opposed by conservation groups, caps years of rising indignation in Utah's conservative political establishment over the fact that about 65 percent of the Western state's land mass is owned by various federal agencies, the bulk of it by the Interior Department's Bureau of Land Management (BLM).





Read more: http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/utah-demands-us-government-return-public-lands-to-state





Governor Gary Herbert

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Reply Utah demands US government return public lands to state (Original post)
Judi Lynn Mar 2012 OP
GreydeeThos Mar 2012 #1
freshwest Mar 2012 #31
jtuck004 Mar 2012 #2
Botany Mar 2012 #3
stonecutter357 Mar 2012 #12
longship Mar 2012 #15
alfredo Mar 2012 #18
Ohio Joe Mar 2012 #21
Frank Cannon Mar 2012 #4
MADem Mar 2012 #5
CanonRay Mar 2012 #6
CreekDog Mar 2012 #7
alfredo Mar 2012 #19
Thor_MN Mar 2012 #8
MatthewStLouis Mar 2012 #20
Crowman1979 Mar 2012 #9
Botany Mar 2012 #11
underpants Mar 2012 #27
mercuryblues Mar 2012 #10
kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #13
tabasco Mar 2012 #14
glinda Mar 2012 #24
EC Mar 2012 #16
alfredo Mar 2012 #17
bluedigger Mar 2012 #22
glinda Mar 2012 #23
RevStPatrick Mar 2012 #25
Iliyah Mar 2012 #26
newspeak Mar 2012 #28
underpants Mar 2012 #29
Crowman1979 Mar 2012 #32
Tikki Mar 2012 #30
mikekohr Mar 2012 #33

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 06:20 AM

1. Rightwing -vs- the Constitution again


They’re going to lose

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Response to GreydeeThos (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 06:08 PM

31. They might not. Privatization of all public assets is a major GOP goal that's working well to buy...

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The allegiance of their cronies. In every state, they're doing it. This would be a huge win for them in UT and they're pushing the sell off of all public lands in the GOP controlled US Congress now. With that much land in their hands, they'd set up their feifdoms and rule as they please. Welcome to neo-feudalism, complete with religious doctrine. It would be naive to deny that's what they want.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 06:59 AM

2. This could work. Rick Santorum thinks he's Moses...maybe if they agree to take him


and his followers, let them wander around in the desert for 40 days and nights to see if they still want to play American Taliban....then let Utah rent them the land to set up their own kingdom.

He might take that as a sure deal, instead of subjecting us to commercials for what would probably be a losing campaign. Might even convince Etch-a-Sketch to come with him, make him head of finance or something.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:00 AM

3. ATTN: Governor Herbert

Now can the Dept. of Interior bill the state of Utah for managing those
lands for the past 100 + years? How about just the costs for fighting
forest fires that Uncle Sam picked up?



BTW Governor please don't use any of the roads and or infrastructure on those public
lands and now go and hire some more professionals to do the range land management too.

And Utah can also pay back all the money that Zion National Park has brought into the
State too.

Dumb ass right wing tea bagging shit for brains idiots.

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:30 AM

12. K&R...

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:22 AM

15. Not just Zion

Utah has more national parks than any other state. Bryce, Arches, Zion, etc. There's a bunch there.

Probably wants to turn Zion into a Mormon based amusement park. It's already appropriately named.

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Response to longship (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:21 AM

18. I think he wants to turn it into a strip mine.

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:48 AM

21. +1 - nt

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:09 AM

4. Herbert! Herbert! Herbert!



What a tool this guy is.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:54 AM

5. The governor is a smug nitwit!

Two headers that caught my eye:

State Republicans spearhead effort to reclaim the land

Conservation groups are opposed to the move



Say no more!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:25 AM

6. The wingnuts know their days are numbered

and the big push is on to get their agenda in before it all comes crashing down.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:33 AM

7. As soon as they return all the tax dollars we paid to them

and all the money that paid for Central Utah Project.

and all the money they made because the Feds protected lands Utah would've detonated bombs on if given the chance. (except for Gov. Matheson)

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:25 AM

19. I don't think he cares, just as long as mining, oil, and timber interests line his pockets.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:37 AM

8. Is there a process to reduce a state to a territory?

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Response to Thor_MN (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:43 AM

20. Ha ha! I can think of a number of states that need to go back to remedial statehood classes!

Maybe any state which receives more tax dollars than it gives needs to have its statehood legitimacy examined.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:50 AM

9. I'm sick of this states rights BS!

The only ones demanding it are corrupt state governments.

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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:25 AM

11. next summer when a forest fire hits in Utah the Gov. can call the Koch Brothers.

Last edited Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:11 PM - Edit history (1)





Sorry about Park City, Utah Gov. the nasty federal government couldn't
get to the fire.

Love, Barack Obama

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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:16 PM

27. "states rights" = racist codeword to the right

and my first read of this was "A black guy has our land!!" I think that is what this is about

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:59 AM

10. That's funny

Governor Herbet. I demand you give women back their uteruses.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:00 AM

13. Fine. Just as soon as the good people of Utah reimburse the US coffers for every penny spent

on firefighting to preserve those lands over the decades, and all the trails and campgrounds and ranger stations built, and all the wildlife management and protection efforts, etc etc etc.

It's probably many many billions of dollars. We'll be waiting.

(crickets chirping)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:13 AM

14. Governor Douchebag wastes taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuit

Another day, another republican moron fucking up our country.

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Response to tabasco (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:46 PM

24. He & his buddies should be responsible for replacing the public's money if they loose.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:59 AM

16. Do they have the tax base

to manage more land? Or does he have corps lined up ready to buy it for a song?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

17. He wants to then sell the land to the extraction industries like mining, and oil companies.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:28 PM

22. I can't believe all you Nervous Nellies!

What possible harm could come from fracking the shit out of Arches National Park?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:45 PM

23. Gary Herbert "using the public's money for his/their own selfish destructive purposes".

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:51 PM

25. I think a better approach for him to take...

 

...would be to secede from the Union.
That's sure to go over well!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:56 PM

26. Giving the lands to Gop/Corporations

means future wastelands for our children. When I read sci-fi books and watch sci-fi movies, this comes to mind. It won't be nothing left to enjoy, well at least for us "little" people. Greed upon Greed, use up the environment for profit. Fuck these assholes. We need to vote this MFs out!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:20 PM

28. that's exactly what they want to do

is give the oil corporations and mining carte blanche. I lived in Moab and environmentalism is very, very important in that area. Nothing like going to one of the state parks and seeing an obscene oil drill.

Some of the most beautiful areas in the world. I still miss it.

And talk about fracking, if they did that in the moab area, it's a lot of fault lines. going into arches national park, driving up, you can see the fault line.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:20 PM

29. Hey Gov how about all those Mormons "gaming the system"...the Fed system?

Welfare receipts

Church leaders have encouraged their flock to take advantage of government assistance in the form of welfare and the WIC (woman-infant-child) programs. Since the government recognizes only one woman as the legal wife of a man, the rest of his wives are considered single mothers and are eligible to receive government assistance. The more wives and children one has, the more welfare checks and food stamps one can receive. By 2003, for example, more than $6 million dollars in public funds were being channeled into the community of Colorado City, AZ. In his book Under the Banner of Heaven (p. 15), Jon Krakauer writes that, "Fundamentalists call defrauding the government 'bleeding the beast' and regard it as a virtuous act." Carolyn Campbell ("Inside Polygamy in the '90s,", 102) adds, "The attitude of some polygamists is 'the government is untrustworthy and corrupt, and I'm above it, but give me those food stamps and free medical care.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints#Welfare_receipts


A well known practice of Mormons

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Response to underpants (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:49 PM

32. And they wanna point the finger at inner-city blacks.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 01:22 PM

30. Which in turn herbert will return to the rightful owners:

The Shoshoni, Piaute, Ute, Navajo and Goshute. Y/N?


Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:30 AM

33. Bingo, then the rest of the state.

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