Coldwell Banker Cuts Ties With Correspondent After 'Homosexual Impulses' Remark About Shooter
Source: Huffington Post
Coldwell Banker Cuts Ties With Correspondent After 'Homosexual Impulses' Remark About Shooter
Coldwell Banker has apparently decided to part ways with a lifestyle correspondent who
appeared on Fox News and said Santa Barbara shooter Elliot Rodger may have been battling
"homosexual impulses" before he killed six people Friday.
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"When I was first listening to him, I was like, Oh, hes angry with women for rejecting him,'" she said during the Fox News segment, "and then I started to have a different idea: 'Is this somebody who is trying to fight against his homosexual impulses?' Was he angry with women because they were taking away men from him? ... Was he angry at the men for not choosing him? ... He couldn't feel loved, he couldn't feel successful, maybe he couldn't even feel like a real man."
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The company responded on Tuesday afternoon, writing: "Dr. Robis comments on the tragedy in Santa Barbara do not represent the opinions of Coldwell Banker. Therefore at this time we feel it best to part ways with her as our lifestyle real estate correspondent."
Ludwig took to social media on Monday to clarify her comments, saying she was "misunderstood":
I in NO way meant to indicated being homosexual or having homosexual impulses is a cause for spree killing. My job @judgejeanine was to assess several POSSIBLE triggers for #ElliotRodgers behavior. #peace #forequalrights However, I [a]pologize to ... all of those who felt offended. That was never my intention.
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MissMillie
(38,452 posts)Everyone goes racing for some sort of explanation of "why?"
I'm not surprised Fox News went straight for the "oh, he must be gay" explanation--and of course you know they meant it as an insult.
And this "real man" stuff bugs the heck out of me too. You're not a "real man" if you're gay? You're not a "real man" if you have a hard time getting laid?
Crazy talk.
But like I said, I guess I expect crazy talk when people look for quick answers to complex problems.
We'll probably never know "why" this guy did this.
Demit
(11,238 posts)He was sickeningly clear. People don't seem to want to take his word for it.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)It was never about getting laid, picking up women or misogyny.
He just wanted to kill a bunch of people but knew just doing that would make him look like a monster so he put out the "sob story" and it worked just like it worked for Chris Dorner, no one remembers the young couple Dorner gunned down in a parking garage in Irvine and no one remembers the 2 cops he snuck up on and blew away at a stop light. No, everyone just remembers Dorner as being a frustrated ex-cop who "stuck it to the man" not the cold blooded killer who cowardly snuck up on people and mowed them down.
Demit
(11,238 posts)You also sound like one of those people who tell people what they're thinking instead of asking them. I'll bet you've said to someone more than once that you know them better than they do themselves.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)He sounded like a man with Asperger's and OCD ... he was insanely, compulsively, searching for a way to put an end to his isolation and pain ... he chose murder/suicide ...
People with Asperger's Syndrome lack people skills ... they are extremely shy, closed off, socially awkward ... they have two speeds which are completely sedentary/depressed or over the top obsessed ... they are literally locked away inside of themselves and don't understand why nobody around them can see how they suffer ...
He was left alone to go round and round in his head until he developed the antidote ... to end it all ...
And he may have been struggling with his sexuality as well ...
Tragic ...
Demit
(11,238 posts)I don't know enough about Asperger's. What I was aware of as I read along was that this guy never once considered that the answer to his pain might be within him. He consistently externalized it and blamed others. Life wasn't fair and it was everybody else's fault. Especially the beautiful women. They were supposed to notice him and want to give him sex without his having to do anything at all.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)Every single day of our lives our brain peeks out of it's cave and looks for a problem to solve ..
There may be no problem to solve, but our ancient survival skills will LOOK for a problem and when it can't find a suitable task our brain will invent one ...
Now most of us will let it go after a period of rational thought, but there are those who are compulsive by nature (or thought process) and simply CAN'T let it go ... away they go spinning off into the darkness of their mind and create the saber-tooth cat of their caveman's dreams which may destroy them if they don't destroy it ....
Artists who have Asperger's have painted incredible paintings or written amazing overtures ... but some are lost ... truly, painfully, lost in their minds to fight imaginary dragons ...
This man was lost, obsessed, and everyone around him missed the signals ...
We have to find a way to deal with these frustrated LOST men, because we have a legion of them within our society today ...
canuckledragger
(1,632 posts)Are VERY insecure themselves as to their own perception of their 'maleness' and are just projecting their fears onto others.
Nobody needs to define the role for myself, and I REALLY could care less what anyone thinks of me. (just check out my facebook page for a few examples!)
Aristus
(66,075 posts)Too f*****g late, lady...
LoisB
(7,072 posts)offended"?
Botany
(70,282 posts).... to being gay then I apologize
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)and yes she did imply with her theory that being homosexual is the cause for the killings ....sick
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)That exact same odious fucking "thought" was expressed upon these pages within a day or so of the event. Kind of pathetic when a god damned BANK has a higher moral sense than a poster on a "progressive" internet board.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldwell_Banker
I does sound like a bank, in a way...
Saw an OP at DU that was straight from the Fox News piece. No link provided, since it would have never survived. Sort of shocking. Just flamebait, I guess.
mahatmakanejeeves
(56,885 posts)Of her two doctorates, one came from a correspondence school, and the other is honorary.
Robi Ludwig
Professional qualifications[edit]
Robi Ludwig got her masters degree from the University of Pennsylvania and her post masters training and certificate from Hunter College. She received her doctor of psychology from California Southern University, a private, correspondence school. She received an honorary doctorate from Cedar Crest College (where she previously received her undergraduate degree in mass communications) in May of 2009. She is a licensed and practicing psychotherapist in the state of New York.
alp227
(31,959 posts)Has the University of Southern California sued over trademark infringement?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They_Live
(3,222 posts)and a blog with a lot of stories?!
I learn something new everyday.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)But to know that there is a title at Coldwell banker that is " lifestyle real estate correspondent"
WTF?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)They_Live
(3,222 posts)...now...boggled...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)His badge says something like that. I'd say I'm having a 'senior moment,' but I simply did not grasp what it meant when I asked him about it and was confused. So I just said, 'Great!'
He was a clerk but had the additional position of making things work for all the employees and the customers. It's a very diverse group of shoppers, almost as much as the local COSTCO and almost as fun as them.
I'm sure the company in the OP is looking to please more people of differing cultures, etc.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Good on Coldwell Banker. K&R
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Repressed sexual impulses are a contributing factor to many violent outbursts and right or wrong, what she described is established science (if one can call psychology a science - which is also debatable.)
It is well-known that the most vitriolic homophobes have latent homosexual impulses. People who accept other people's sexual preference without prejudice are usually secure in their own sexuality.
Perhaps she should have explained it better -- as in -- "a few rare" people with previously disturbed psyches and under the influence of massive doses of alcohol may be triggered to be violent due to repressed sexual impulses. But then, it wouldn't have fit the Faux news agenda.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)They can and do appear together ... in Borderline Personality Disorder the person loses himself entirely ... he does NOT know who he is ... gay or straight ... he's lost and with Asperger's they are locked inside of themselves feeling invisible and socially inadequate
The two can appear together ...
This was a very sick man ... He could have been Borderline and misdiagnosed as Asperger's also ...
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)STOP: (1) armchair diagnosing this guy with Asperger's and/or BPD, (2) proclaiming that this alleged Asperger's and/or BPD was the underlying cause of his killing spree, and (3) describing in broad and entirely inaccurate brushstrokes what ALL people with Asperger's and/or BPD are like?
Also -- where'd you get your degree in mental health assessment and intervention? Because if you do in fact have one, I'd like to contact your alma mater and ask them to take it back.
Thank you.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)He was being treated for Asperger's and had been in therapy for ASPERGER'S since he was NINE years old ...
No need to contact my "alma mater", dear ... you seem to have trouble with reading and comprehension ...
Good luck ..
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)It is unclear whether he was officially diagnosed with Aspergers, although family members are quoted in some articles as saying that he was on the spectrum. (The Daily Mail claimed he was diagnosed, but then admitted they were wrong; but his family's lawyer maybe claimed he was -- it's not as clear cut as you make it). I haven't seen anything anywhere confirming a known diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder.
But that does not in any case address points 2 & 3 (which were the important ones there, sorry) that you are proclaiming that this alleged Asperger's and/or BPD was the underlying cause of his killing spree, and describing in broad and entirely inaccurate brushstrokes what ALL people with Asperger's and/or BPD are like.
Go educate yourself, please, "dear." You are at best spouting misinformation, and at worst actively choosing to say untrue, prejudicial, hurtful things.
There are two cases where uninformed, self-styled experts said that a person had Aspergers, and committed a heinous crime, he said. I would suggest you do the math of all the people diagnosed with Aspergers in the United States and see what percentage two is of that number.
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"In general, violent behavior is not a characteristic of Aspergers, said Dr. Shahla Chehrazi-Raffle, a forensic clinical psychologist teaching at the University of California, San Francisco. Aggressive behavior or angry outbursts can occur, in cases where situations are misread. But this kind of behavior of accumulating guns, of planning how hes going to kill other people, is not associated with Aspergers.
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Other experts say no studies have been done confirming a link between Aspergers and violent behavior, and that the fixation on Rodgers reported Aspergers is more of a collective attempt to come to terms with tragedy by distinguishing ourselves from the person who has allegedly committed the crime.
Its really more associated with a troubled upbringing rather than the autism, Son said.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)"there is no empirical evidence of an increased risk of violence"
Well, there is NOW ... Sandy Hook and this sad disaster as well ....
So you go from knowing NOTHING about this man's Asperger's to quoting someone's opinion ...
We have the facts of these cases and then we have opinion ....
Now you can cut and paste to your hearts content, but it won't change what happened in either of these cases ...
any more spam and I'll block you ... go away, troll ...
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Yay, my first ignore! And by someone unable to actually understand what "empirical evidence" is!
I'm so proud!
(By the way -- posting actual data counter to your unfounded view of reality is not 'spam.' Oy.)
Seriously -- ignore me all you want. Yay for willful ignorance and all that. But I'm still going to keep posting that your are WRONG in your characterization of Asperger's. I'm pretty sure my 20 years as a mental health professional trumps your armchair stupidity.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)Aspie's seem to be everyone's favorite whipping boys lately. Tell it to Albert Einstein, or Susan Boyle of Britain's Got Talent; Charles Shultz, Isaac Asimov, Jim Henson, John Denver, Al Gore, Bill Gates, Keith Olbermann, Robin Williams and Thomas Edison. People with high functioning autism are no more or less a danger to the population than anyone else.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)But we can't possible overlook Sandy Hook and now this awful disaster, as well, without noting both men did have Asperger's and weren't dealing with life well ...
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Again:
There are two cases where uninformed, self-styled experts said that a person had Aspergers, and committed a heinous crime, he said. I would suggest you do the math of all the people diagnosed with Aspergers in the United States and see what percentage two is of that number.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)We've had so many mass shooters in America and I don't think you can pin them all down to people with Asperger's or other high functioning autism. Psychologists and talking heads always jump on a cause du jour on why shooters go on rampages and blame everything from violent video games to single mothers and public schools for massacres. There's always blame to be assigned. But, the blame is never assigned to the proponents of the gun lobby and the lack of outrage from the NRA and conservative politicians.
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)We can have simple conversation here without laying blame .. one would hope? ...
It's too bad those around these young men didn't take their guns away from them since congress doesn't seem to be moving in that direction ...
This is a tragedy and there are those who are grieving for their lost children ... so enough ..
Posting opinion here won't bring any of them back or change one single thing ... so I'll stop posting on this thread ...
Bye ...
Paladin
(28,202 posts)bearssoapbox
(1,408 posts)all of those who felt offended. That was never my intention."
add: "to be called out on what I said."
merrily
(45,251 posts)with the issue?
Even Fox should not stoop this low.
The hidden story, though? We have a winger associating shooting people with not feeling like a "real man." Isn't that something very much like what the gun enthusiasts often accuse only the left of doing?