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Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:42 PM

Govt to keep info on Americans with no terror ties

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) The U.S. intelligence community will now be able to store information about Americans with no ties to terrorism for up to five years under new Obama administration guidelines.

Until now, the National Counterterrorism Center had to immediately destroy information about Americans that was already stored in other government databases when there were no clear ties to terrorism.

Giving the NCTC expanded record-retention authority had been called for by members of Congress who said the intelligence community did not connect strands of intelligence held by multiple agencies leading up to the failed bombing attempt on a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas 2009.

"Following the failed terrorist attack in December 2009, representatives of the counterterrorism community concluded it is vital for NCTC to be provided with a variety of datasets from various agencies that contain terrorism information," Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said in a statement late Thursday. "The ability to search against these datasets for up to five years on a continuing basis as these updated guidelines permit will enable NCTC to accomplish its mission more practically and effectively."

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Reply Govt to keep info on Americans with no terror ties (Original post)
IDemo Mar 2012 OP
Autumn Mar 2012 #1
bahrbearian Mar 2012 #2
caseymoz Mar 2012 #10
JackRiddler Mar 2012 #3
woo me with science Mar 2012 #12
Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #14
limpyhobbler Mar 2012 #4
Enrique Mar 2012 #5
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IDemo Mar 2012 #6
mallard Mar 2012 #8
caseymoz Mar 2012 #15
Land Shark Mar 2012 #7
cstanleytech Mar 2012 #9
woo me with science Mar 2012 #11
woo me with science Mar 2012 #13
Dragonfli Mar 2012 #16
alp227 Mar 2012 #20
Dragonfli Mar 2012 #17
The Northerner Mar 2012 #18
Vidar Mar 2012 #19

Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:54 PM

1. Recommended

what a crock of shit this has become.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:56 PM

2. But if we didn't do anything wrong, why should we oppose this?

:Sarcasm:

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:43 PM

10. Because we have a Democratic, Socialist, Nazi, Moslem President.


Instead of a bonafide, Birth-Certified, Euro-white, Christian Republican. Isn't it obvious?

Oh, Sheriff Arpaio, save us!

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:07 PM

3. Can we stop apologizing for the police state?

Doesn't matter who plays the executive.

It has its own momentum, it keeps developing, and it's wrong.

It is the price of empire and wars for profit.

End it.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:47 PM

12. Amen. nt

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:58 PM

14. +1000

Well said!

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:09 PM

4. watch what you say?

The government is recording everything. No warrant required.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:16 PM

5. if the killing of bin laden was such a big deal

how come the war on terror keeps intensifying?

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Response to Enrique (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:37 PM

6. -

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Response to Enrique (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:16 PM

8. Re: bin laden hoax

"how come the war on terror keeps intensifying?"

That wasn't bin Laden.

If the person killed in Pakistan last fall had been Osama bin Laden, the proof would have been (very easily) provided. So, your otherwise sensible question is actually not beyond explanation. The 9/11 cover-up continues.

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Response to mallard (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 12:12 AM

15. Absolutely baseless.

Even al-Qaeda said he was dead. His wife and daughter confirmed the hit. The guys who went on the mission have given accounts. And we had a melt-down with Pakistan over what? Apparently, not over fact that they were harboring him in a suburb.

Of course, American Intelligence can manage all of that, because its disinformation always works seamlessly with complete cooperation of everyone and no huge, obvious screw ups.

"It would have been provided?" you know our secretive government would have provided this? You can't demonstrate this.

Besides, look at Obama's Birth Certificate. If it would have been you'd be arguing that it wasn't him, or every other 9/11 conspiracy nut would be. "Oh, look, that's a false beard! It's not bin Laden." or "Oh, look, he moved. It's a body double pretending to be him." That's what you would be saying now.

That 9/11 conspiracy hoax keeps spreading insanity into other areas. I have my own conspiracy theory: I think al-Qaeda's propaganda wing spread the story weeks after 9/11 through encapsulating their "documentary" in streaming downloads. I think it did this to cast further distrust on our government. Why? Because I actually found one by accident marked fraudulently as Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine." Now, I don't know this. It's just a conjecture. But I'm not going to look into it any further because the 9/11 conspiracy is still bullshit no matter if it's disinformation or delusion.

You don't need conspiracy theories to distrust and dislike this government. The conspiracies that have already been proven are quite enough.

The science fiction, X-Files ones, such as the 9/11, are an impediment to doing anything about it. For one thing, they make the government and the people in it look godlike in their ability to accomplish the impossible. This paralyzes people with unnecessary terror (as opposed to necessary terror). For another, it brings dismissal of conspiracies that aren't theories, that can be rationally demonstrated, the ones that don't belong on the X-Files. A third, it blocks communication among activists, because I can't trust anybody who espouses this crackpot theory to provide accurate information about anything else.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:22 PM

7. 5 year 'limit' appears to be no limit at all

Doesn't this just mean 5 years' data on everyone and 5++ years' data when suspicion at some level can be mustered?

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:28 PM

9. 5 years seems way to long to me unless it has a provision that the data cannot be used

except to investigate terrorism cases and that under no circumstances can it be used to investigate any other crime nor used in any other type of case as evidence other than in a case of terrorism.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 11:52 PM

13. Every day. Every damned day there is a new one.

Quit excusing it. Quit pretending it only comes from one party.

The assaults are bipartisan, and they will continue as long as we allow banks and corporations to purchase our government.

This is no longer a neat little red versus blue game. This is us against the one percent in both parties. Wake up and occupy.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 02:31 AM

16. A reality denied, is a reality that someday bites you in the ass hard.

I wish people would wake up from their walking soma induced dream and join us in attempting to avoid an emerging harsh reality.


Don't they realize that every single freedom or protection, once given up, NEVER comes back, NONE, NEVER, not without revolution.

We will never again have a right to privacy, it is gone now, they don't appear to get that part.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 06:18 PM

20. but how do you explain the Underwear Bomber?

If you read the article this step was taken in response to the failure of US intelligence to keep the underwear bomber off the plane.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 02:41 AM

17. Did we forget to vote out Bush or something?

If they truly hate us for our freedom, soon they will have no reason to hate us at all

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 03:07 AM

18. K&R n/t

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:43 AM

19. J. Edgar Obama.

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